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91 Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Wed May 04 2016, 09:41

xmiles

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Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
Oddly enough Trump seems to have no problem with Putin and the chances of conflict between America and Russia might go down if Trump won.

92 Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Wed May 04 2016, 09:50

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Nat Lofthouse
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xmiles wrote:Oddly enough Trump seems to have no problem with Putin and the chances of conflict between America and Russia might go down if Trump won.

It certainly looks that way. I'm not sure if all of trumps rhetoric is genuine or if he is just playing up to the masses. It's now looking highly likely to be a two horce race between Don and Hilary. She certainly doesn't appeal to the American working class so it looks like Don may hold the Trump card.

93 Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Wed May 04 2016, 14:42

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Nat Lofthouse
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Why anyone would vote for a man with his pubes strapped to his head is beyond me.

And don't bring Brucie into it!

94 Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Wed May 04 2016, 15:40

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Nat Lofthouse
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He must be good to get where he is.

95 Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Wed May 04 2016, 15:52

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Frank Worthington
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scottjames30 wrote:He must be good to get where he is.
Not really scott. He's just got lots of money of his own and plenty of support from the American far Right, the Tea Party in particular. He's basically banging the drum that America is God's country and talking about the 'good old days' which never really existed outside Hollywood and on Fox News. (Better known in the USA as Faux News and with good reason.) 

His approach is to blame 'foreigners' for everything wrong in America and he basically wraps himself in the flag and preaches about how it's all the fault of immigrants and poor people. He gets away with it because the sad truth is huge numbers of Americans know almost nothing about their own history let alone anything that's going on outside the USA itself. 

Frankly the average American voter, especially in the rural and 'Bible Belt' areas don't actually think about politics enough to see just what a plank the man is. Add in the fact Hilary Clinton is a woman  and that gives him ten points at least before he says a word. Good Ol' Boys can't stand that idea, having a black President was bad enough but one who isn't a man would be un-American, after all everyone knows John Wayne won the West and saved Europe from Winston Hitler for an encore.

It's actually quite scary to see just how far to the Right the Republican party has lurched and even more scary to see how few American voters have really noticed it happening.

96 Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Wed May 04 2016, 16:56

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To be fair to Trump this really isn't the case Peter.

Like him or not Trump has won big on the east coast of the US and took over 50% of the vote in states such as New York which clearly is not a red neck or bible bashing part of America.

In fact it was Cruz and not Trump who is from the far right of the Republican party and is a key Tea Party member and looked to huge support from the bible belt voters.

Trump has also beaten major mainline Republican icons to get to the nomination such as Jeb Bush, Mario Rubio and Chris Christie, so he clearly is more in touch with the majority republican voters than his own party is - quite some achievement really.

I also don't think the presidential race will be as one sided for Hilary Clinton as many expect either, as she is closely linked to Washington (government) and Wall Street (money), which as clearly been seen by many of the electorate to be a negative in this election process - and hence the long lasting support given to Bernie Sanders and the failure of the Republican chosen runners (Bush, Rubio, Kasich, etc).

Trump shouldn't be underestimated. He's certainly not dumb and even if he is not to your particular liking, he is charismatic and has proved to be popular to many.

He may not be politically correct but he has given voice to many who aren't necessarily PC either and he is simply putting into words what many think but dare not say themselves.

I don't think this necessarily implies racism but more how allowing the door open with those coming in not necessarily integrating with those already there leads more to an 'us and 'them' society and causes resentment and distrust of each other.

This is echoed over here in Europe with the rise in anti-EU parties throughout Europe.

Trump may not win the presidential race but I think he has already changed the face of the political landscape in America and future campaigns will look towards engaging a growing electorate who are disengaged with 'corporate' America in both political and financial terms.

97 Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Wed May 04 2016, 17:24

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
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"You know, it really doesn’t matter what the media write as long as you’ve got a young, and beautiful, piece of ass.” 


Donald Trump. :facepalm:

98 Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Wed May 04 2016, 17:42

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Just now -

John Kasich, last Republican Trump rival, 'quits race'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36201042


I guess that means Trump has won the Republican nomination.

Fair play to him.

99 Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Wed May 04 2016, 18:11

Reebok Trotter

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Nat Lofthouse
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It's an ill wind that blows.

100 Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Wed May 04 2016, 18:53

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I do not for one moment think Trump is stupid, after all the man has made an awful lot of money and more importantly kept most of it which only goes to show he's not dumb. However, I do feel that the people who have voted him into his current (probable) position as the Republican candidate come from the right wing of an already right wing party. In truth it's been obvious for some years that the Tea Party has much more support among grass roots Republicans than any other faction and is far better organised especially during Primary races. The Koch brothers have built up a 'machine' similar to that which the Democrats had in the 30's in particular. 

What truly worries me about Trump is he seems to believe in very simplistic answers to the many and very real, very complex problems facing the world today. His "ban all Muslims from entering America" statement, his "I've got the guts to drop the A-bomb" and his "Block Mexican immigration by building a wall all along our border" might sound good in the press but in reality they not only don't solve the real problems, they don't even address them. 

Also take a good look at who's endorsing the man. Sarah Palin, Michelle Buchanan, Mitch Connelly to name but three very senior Tea Party figures. I am more or less certain that America's business leaders who have also endorsed him (and there are many) are operating under the belief that they can 'control' Trump. Another group of highly influential politicians and business leaders believed that they could control their country's leader after they lobbied to have him installed. 

The year was 1932 and the place was Germany. The man was called Adolf Hitler. 

And no, I don't think the comparison is alarmist. "He who ignores the past is doomed to repeat it."

101 Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Wed May 04 2016, 19:03

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Andy Walker
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luckyPeterpiper wrote:I do not for one moment think Trump is stupid, after all the man has made an awful lot of money and more importantly kept most of it which only goes to show he's not dumb. However, I do feel that the people who have voted him into his current (probable) position as the Republican candidate come from the right wing of an already right wing party. In truth it's been obvious for some years that the Tea Party has much more support among grass roots Republicans than any other faction and is far better organised especially during Primary races. The Koch brothers have built up a 'machine' similar to that which the Democrats had in the 30's in particular. 

What truly worries me about Trump is he seems to believe in very simplistic answers to the many and very real, very complex problems facing the world today. His "ban all Muslims from entering America" statement, his "I've got the guts to drop the A-bomb" and his "Block Mexican immigration by building a wall all along our border" might sound good in the press but in reality they not only don't solve the real problems, they don't even address them. 

Also take a good look at who's endorsing the man. Sarah Palin, Michelle Buchanan, Mitch Connelly to name but three very senior Tea Party figures. I am more or less certain that America's business leaders who have also endorsed him (and there are many) are operating under the belief that they can 'control' Trump. Another group of highly influential politicians and business leaders believed that they could control their country's leader after they lobbied to have him installed. 

The year was 1932 and the place was Germany. The man was called Adolf Hitler. 

And no, I don't think the comparison is alarmist. "He who ignores the past is doomed to repeat it."
Peter - Yes and No.  Trump has not been supported by the far right.  In fact, I believe the vote for him is one against the establishment.  We have too many political cronies and Congress is all about raising money to keep getting themselves elected.  The far right supported Ted Cruz.  The same thing has been happening with Bernie Sanders.  Those who are against the establishment (Bush and Clinton) are voting against Clinton.  This is one big anti-establishment movement that is going on.  Primaries are really very undemocratic and should not be viewed with that much emphasis on their outcome.  They are controlled by state party bosses... often the will of the people is not heard.  For instance, super delegates are elected by the party bosses to offset what the popular vote may be.  Sanders is only behind about 300 delegates that were voted, but way behind when you add in 750 superdelegates voting for Hillary Clinton.  Ted Cruz also tried to manipulate votes away from Trump with closed door and back room politics.  So both parties can be labeled undemocratic in name and in principle.  In primaries, people in some states can cross over and vote.  One thing is for sure... Trump is setting records in the numbers turning out to vote Republican.  As Sanders brings in independents, Trump brings in huge numbers from both sides. 

There's a very angry electorate and one of the candidates could be indicted.  Then what would happen?  The next few months may prove interesting.

By the way, none of them have specifics for answers to real world problems.  Neither Trump, nor Clinton, or Sanders for that matter have any answers.  By the way, the Clinton money machine may have caught up to the Donald's wealth.  One can only surmise.

102 Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Thu Sep 22 2016, 22:53

Bwfc1958

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Tinned Toms - You know it makes sense!


It has to be seen to be believed.

103 Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Fri Sep 23 2016, 08:19

xmiles

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Ivan Campo
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Bwfc1958 wrote:

It has to be seen to be believed.

Shocked

104 Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Fri Sep 23 2016, 09:58

Reebok Trotter

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
They really are neanderthals.

105 Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Fri Sep 23 2016, 10:15

whatsgoingon

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Frank Worthington
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In mitigation it is a satirical news show who have gone out of their way to show the worst of the worst, but you get the impression in some of the small towns in middle America there would be some pretty rich pickings.

106 Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Fri Sep 23 2016, 10:29

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Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
The most powerful nation on Earth. Scary.

107 Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Fri Sep 23 2016, 10:35

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Ha ha, get real. If you walked into Bolton town centre and picked 10 people at random to talk politics to, most would sound very much like the people in that film.

108 Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Fri Sep 23 2016, 10:39

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Frank Worthington
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Natasha Whittam wrote:Ha ha, get real. If you walked into Bolton town centre and picked 10 people at random to talk politics to, most would sound very much like the people in that film.
No they wouldn't, if you went to Burnley maybe or even worse Preston,

109 Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Fri Sep 23 2016, 11:13

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
whatsgoingon wrote:
No they wouldn't, if you went to Burnley maybe or even worse Preston,

Doubtful, but the point is it's not hard to find stupid people in any town.

110 Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Fri Sep 23 2016, 20:10

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Youri Djorkaeff
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Agreed. (You can find them on some forums as well) (Not you Nat!)  Very Happy

111 Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Fri Sep 23 2016, 22:26

Reebok Trotter

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I once sold a pipe on ebay to an American who lived in a place called Bean Station somewhere in USA. When it came to pay for his item I told him I would send it by Royal Mail. He replied by saying, " Jeez Buddy that would be absolutely amazing."

112 Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Fri Sep 23 2016, 23:01

Bread2.0

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Andy Walker
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I really, really hope he was sat there for ages, fully expecting some Guards' officer in a red tunic and bearskin to arrive and stroll up to his Airstream trailer, carrying your pipe on a red velvet cushion.

And then very politely apologise for it taking about three weeks as he presented it to him before smarty saluting, turning on his heel and doing a slow march back down the path......

113 Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Fri Sep 23 2016, 23:13

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
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A drainpipe?

114 Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Fri Sep 23 2016, 23:16

Bread2.0

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Andy Walker
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It could have been a big cushion.

You never know....

(I had to go back and check what RT had originally posted then, you twat.  Very Happy)

115 Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Fri Sep 23 2016, 23:20

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
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Desperate Dan smoked a pipe made out of a drainpipe,with a dustbin on the end,although I'm buggered if I can find a picture of it.
His smoking habit has been expunged from history.

116 Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Fri Sep 23 2016, 23:26

Bread2.0

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Andy Walker
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I know what you mean.

I went in the McManus Pie Shop in Farnworth last week and asked for a proper cow pie and they gave me a bog standard Steak & Onion thing.

No horns, no tails sticking out - Nowt.

Won't make that mistake again.

117 Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Fri Sep 23 2016, 23:28

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
And can you buy a blow torch for shaving?

No. H&S gone mad.

118 Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Fri Sep 23 2016, 23:28

xmiles

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Ivan Campo
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boltonbonce wrote:Desperate Dan smoked a pipe made out of a drainpipe,with a dustbin on the end,although I'm buggered if I can find a picture of it.
His smoking habit has been expunged from history.

I couldn't find an image of him smoking either. Shaving with a blow torch yes but smoking no.

119 Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Fri Sep 23 2016, 23:32

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I'm a little bit ashamed that I've got people googling 'desperate dan smoking'.

I can only hope you don't end up on a less than respectable site.



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120 Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Fri Sep 23 2016, 23:32

Bread2.0

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Tony B's legacy.

The man who outlawed smoking in public and made it only slightly less cool than having sex with animals.

The pub trade died almost overnight but it stopped people from obsessing and fretting over his decision (made with help from God) to invade Iraq and destabilise the entire Middle East in the process.

Top bloke......

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