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31 Re: The Latest Wheeze from the ST on Sat Jul 30 2016, 18:43

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boltonbonce wrote:Quite right Peter. You don't see me banging on about the same old thing. Very Happy
How's Brucie doing

32 Re: The Latest Wheeze from the ST on Sat Jul 30 2016, 22:20

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whatsgoingon wrote:
The best luckyPeterpiper wrote:In fairness to sluffy he never said he objected to the existence of an ST or that he thought anyone who joined is an idiot for wanting to help the club
There have been various statements that have alluded to exactly that
No mate, he alluded that joining the ST was an act of idiocy not that people were idiots for having a desire to help the club. And let's face it, given their behaviour he has a point. I do feel I wasted a perfectly good tenner and that the BWFC Supporter's Association is more effective than the ST will ever be thanks to the clowns running it who destroyed it almost at birth.

Anyway, before I break out my 'bore them to death' ray I'm going to drop this whole subject. I have a blog to write about things that are much, much more interesting than the doings of a bunch of ego serving twerps.

33 Re: The Latest Wheeze from the ST on Sun Jul 31 2016, 00:37

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Good God I go out for the evening and come back to all of this!

My real life my not be packed with endless adventures and escapades anymore but I'm still just about able to grasp the difference between reality and the 'internet world' still.

I'm getting sick of repeating myself but I don't actually hate anybody - even those who have hurt me in the real world so I couldn't give a fuck about Smithy or the ST - Christ lock me up and throw away the key if I ever think football is more than a game or internet forums are NOT the place to have a bit of a laugh.

Ever since I was young apparently, or so I'm told, I was never one to follow the crowd, I always thought things through the best I could and asked questions if I could not understand things.

Well six decades later (or thereabouts) I'm still doing the same things - so I guess what you see is what you get with me.

I've never been afraid to look stupid and ask the questions everyone else probably wanted to know also - but were too self conscious to ask for themselves and much preferred to be 'one the group' rather than the awkward sod standing alone, who is sticking his nose in to far.

If people wanted to jump on the ST bandwagon then that's their business but for me I wanted to know 'how' they believed they could become the 'voice of the fans' to a multimillion pound business run by entrepreneurs who stake millions of pounds of their own money with the intent of earning millions more in the future by taking on a huge risk in turning the club around.

I simply don't buy this bullshit that a football club is a unique sort of business that has the community at its heart.  Many self deluded fans may truly believe that but I doubt very many actual club owners do - they are there to please themselves - not a bunch of not rights who believe football is some sort of religion and can't see that it is just a group of highly paid and pampered blokes kicking a ball about once or twice a week.

If the ST WAS the answer to everything don't you think ALL the clubs would long before now be actively involved with them all the time?

If people want to chuck their tenner at a group of blokes who they don't know, working towards what exactly (to own the club outright, or to have a board member, or to have a real say in the running of the club without board level involvement, or aggressively monitor the financial running of the club by its new owners, or to set up a non-relevant marketing app, or whatever it is they believe that they are doing - because I for one have no idea what exactly it is - do you?), well they are completely free to do so.

Equally though I'm free to have an opinion to think that they are wasting both their hopes and their money on an un-thought out, clearly unplanned and without any clear objectives, or strategically planned ways of achieving them - business plan by the ST - do they even have a business plan - as anyone ever seen it?

Am I not allowed to say 'I think you are wasting your money there', or 'I did try to warn you'?

Christ you didn't even have to be Einstein to ask the simple questions like 'how is this going to work?' or 'What if the owners don't want our involvement?'.

Well forgive me for asking them and not finding any answers probably because no one had actually sat down and thought about what they were trying to achieve and planning how to get there.

Forgive me for not wanting to run with the crowd and give my 'it's only a tenner' to a bunch of people that included the likes of Smithy, Marc Iles and Chris Manning respectively seeming to lead it, champion it, and shout it from the rooftops (read that as the Beano, the LoV and the twitter world and their informed followers).

Forgive me for laughing when it all went tits up - as clearly it was always going to do so - as per the old adage of 'fail to plan, plan to fail'.

So get over yourselves simply because some old bloke on the internet is taking the piss and laughing at us!

And the next time you are thinking of wasting another of your 'it's only a tenner' then do some good with it by spending it on some child who hasn't been as fortunate in life as your own have.

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Football really is only a game.

And the internet is a place to have a laugh.

34 Re: The Latest Wheeze from the ST on Sun Jul 31 2016, 00:44

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Can you not see the inherent irony in writing a 17 paragraph piece about how you don't take any of this seriously?

Who are you trying to convince with all this?

Us or yourself?

35 Re: The Latest Wheeze from the ST on Sun Jul 31 2016, 00:46

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SLUFFY!!!!!!!! ::seething:: ::seething:: ::seething::

I told you that only I am allowed to make posts that long!!!!!!! ::seething:: :gun: :bomb:  ::bigmachinegun:: :shootinggun: ::mad::

How dare you make use of the patented lPp technique this way! You should be ashamed of yourself sir!  Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad

Do not do this again or I shall be forced to write a strongly worded letter to the Times!  Mad Mad Mad

36 Re: The Latest Wheeze from the ST on Sun Jul 31 2016, 00:47

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PS. I agree with you about Derian House mate, it's an awesome place. Smile

37 Re: The Latest Wheeze from the ST on Sun Jul 31 2016, 00:51

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luckyPeterpiper wrote:SLUFFY!!!!!!!! ::seething:: ::seething:: ::seething::

I told you that only I am allowed to make posts that long!!!!!!! ::seething:: :gun: :bomb:  ::bigmachinegun:: :shootinggun: ::mad::

How dare you make use of the patented lPp technique this way! You should be ashamed of yourself sir!  Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad

Do not do this again or I shall be forced to write a strongly worded letter to the Times!  Mad Mad Mad

Seriously, Pete....?

18 "colon evil colon" thingies.

18........?

Grown man with kids.

Surely you can get your point across without resorting to emoticons?

Edit: Just read your post and discovered that you weren't actually trying to make a serious point.

It was just a statement about how the excessive use of emoticons is your own personal preserve.

Whatever floats yer boat I suppose....



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38 Re: The Latest Wheeze from the ST on Sun Jul 31 2016, 00:54

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Breadman wrote:Can you not see the inherent irony in writing a 17 paragraph piece about how you don't take any of this seriously?

Who are you trying to convince with all this?

Us or yourself?


I'm not trying to convince anyone, I simply telling it as it is.

If you want to believe me that's fine, if you don't that is fine too.

39 Re: The Latest Wheeze from the ST on Sun Jul 31 2016, 00:56

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40 Re: The Latest Wheeze from the ST on Sun Jul 31 2016, 01:46

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"So get over yourselves simply because some old bloke on the internet is taking the piss and laughing at us!"


Say the word sluffy,and I'll knock his block off.

41 Re: The Latest Wheeze from the ST on Sun Jul 31 2016, 02:07

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Sluffy wrote:
Breadman wrote:Can you not see the inherent irony in writing a 17 paragraph piece about how you don't take any of this seriously?

Who are you trying to convince with all this?

Us or yourself?


I'm not trying to convince anyone, I simply telling it as it is.

If you want to believe me that's fine, if you don't that is fine too.


No, you're not.

What you're doing is continuing to demonstrate how much you hate Mike Smith and how much he's still inside your head.

Be honest, if he wasn't involved in the ST, would you still be so vitriolic in your condemnation of them and everything they do?

I think they're a bunch of pricks - that's well documented on here.

But that's just born out of events since December 2015 and beyond.

However, this is personal for you after he tried shafting Nuts in the early days - that's fucking obvious irrespective of anything you post to the contrary.

He's got his site with his minions, you've got yours.

He got a (very spurious) shot at owning BWFC and that obviously flipped a switch somewhere in your head and you ramped things up.

FFS!

He's a prick and his mates at the ST are obviously as thick as he is and they'll never get what they want.

Let....it.....go..........

42 Re: The Latest Wheeze from the ST on Sun Jul 31 2016, 09:12

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Nobody's said you're not allowed an opinion Sluffy - you know that full well - what people have taken issue with is you branding anybody that did donate £10 weak minded. For most fans joining the ST was about the club, not an endorsement of your mate Mike Smith and that's the distinction you seem to be missing.

It's nothing to do with following the crowd or not, it was pretty 50:50 on here nobody was called out simply for their choice to join or not and rightly so.

43 Re: The Latest Wheeze from the ST on Wed Aug 03 2016, 22:22

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As I see it... You pays your money and makes your choice. I'm Wanderers through and through but I haven't signed up to the ST. 

Not all that long ago, the Thieving Magpie and Breezeblock turned up at a BWSA meeting and tried to inveigle themselves onto the board without being elected by the membership. They didn't succeed then and I doubt they will have any clout this time round. I don't object to paying £10 to the cause but I had reservations as to how exactly my contribution would be used.

44 Re: The Latest Wheeze from the ST on Wed Aug 03 2016, 23:57

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The point I was trying to make above was that the fans 'panicked' and 'rushed' to join the ST without even considering what other options and alternatives were available to them.

I've been made out to look like the bad guy here by pointing out the many shortcomings with the ST.

Yes, it may well only be 'just' a tenner to join - but to join what?

Yes, the name on the 'tin' may well be BW Supporters Trust but unlike Ronseal they have certainly not been acting in accordance to what is best for BWFC - but rather for what they themselves want to see themselves!

What exactly did those who join want the ST to do?

Did they want them to attempt to buy the club?

Did they want them to demand the new owners produce to them reams of their financial details on the eve of the final court appearance determining the clubs future?

Did they want them to re-tweet abuse twitter remarks about the new owner?

Did they want them to seek on at least two separate occasions meetings with the Football League to complain about the new owners financial position - even though the clubs bills and wages were being paid?

Did they want them to refuse to help save the clubs academy?

Did they want those in the Steering Group to become the Board members - even when several of them stated that they would not be standing?

Didn't they want actual elections to take place where they could vote?

Did they want the ST to remain silent at every bit of good news the new owners managed to achieve such as paying the wages, signing players, retaining the academy, etc, etc?

Did they want them to prioritise a meaningless 'app' as the only single thing they've done since they walked unopposed on to the Board?

Well if that is what you wanted, then congratulations that is exactly what you got.

Me, I rather understand what they proposed to do and how they intended to do it before I would back them.

I'm still non the wiser about their plans half a year on either!

Are you?

45 Re: The Latest Wheeze from the ST on Thu Aug 04 2016, 01:07

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46 Re: The Latest Wheeze from the ST on Thu Aug 04 2016, 08:47

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Reebok Trotter wrote:As I see it... You pays your money and makes your choice. I'm Wanderers through and through but I haven't signed up to the ST. 

#shitfan

47 Re: The Latest Wheeze from the ST on Thu Aug 04 2016, 09:18

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scottjames30 wrote:
Reebok Trotter wrote:As I see it... You pays your money and makes your choice. I'm Wanderers through and through but I haven't signed up to the ST. 

#shitfan
agree weak minded bastard

48 Re: The Latest Wheeze from the ST on Thu Aug 04 2016, 09:31

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Do you want to put a fiver in the armchair trust?

#saveourclub

49 Re: The Latest Wheeze from the ST on Thu Aug 04 2016, 10:03

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prefer to put only a tenner in if that's ok, I'm starting a supporters trust trust if anyone is interested to save the ST, it's only £50

this is the steering committee if no one objects, thought it was important to get Nat and KP in there

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50 Re: The Latest Wheeze from the ST on Thu Aug 04 2016, 11:56

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We all know Sluffy's view of the ST,yet he feels the need to start a thread based on the earth shaking news of the ST's creation of an app!
God help us if they come up with a lapel badge.

51 Re: The Latest Wheeze from the ST on Thu Aug 04 2016, 12:15

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Meeting in the fanzone before the game, ST members only!!!

Important news.....

52 Re: The Latest Wheeze from the ST on Thu Aug 04 2016, 12:17

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boltonbonce wrote:We all know Sluffy's view of the ST,yet he feels the need to start a thread based on the earth shaking news of the ST's creation of an app!
God help us if they come up with a lapel badge.

Why don't you for once concentrate on the content of the thread (which incidentally was started nearly a week ago now - as well you know!) and not the person who started it?

Does the ST's creation of a marketing app "supporting the business that support the club" have anything at all to do with representing the fans to the club, which they claim is their reason for being?

Not in the slightest is my opinion.

Is it in yours?

Why don't you add to the discussion instead of continually sniping at the author?

53 Re: The Latest Wheeze from the ST on Thu Aug 04 2016, 12:22

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Sluffy wrote:

Why don't you for once concentrate on the content of the thread (which incidentally was started nearly a week ago now - as well you know!) and not the person who started it?

Does the ST's creation of a marketing app "supporting the business that support the club" have anything at all to do with representing the fans to the club, which they claim is their reason for being?

Not in the slightest is my opinion.

Is it in yours?

Why don't you add to the discussion instead of continually sniping at the author?



Brilliant PR, that - Well done that man.

You've got a site with only about 6 or 7 genuine, human being members, supplemented by a bunch of fake accounts.

So what do you do?

Start getting chippy with one of the very few genuine contributors you've got left.

Genius........

This really is getting embarrassing now.

54 Re: The Latest Wheeze from the ST on Thu Aug 04 2016, 12:23

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Breadman wrote:
Sluffy wrote:

Why don't you for once concentrate on the content of the thread (which incidentally was started nearly a week ago now - as well you know!) and not the person who started it?

Does the ST's creation of a marketing app "supporting the business that support the club" have anything at all to do with representing the fans to the club, which they claim is their reason for being?

Not in the slightest is my opinion.

Is it in yours?

Why don't you add to the discussion instead of continually sniping at the author?



Brilliant PR, that - Well done that man.

You've got a site with only about 6 or 7 genuine, human being members, supplemented by a bunch of fake accounts.

So what do you do?

Start getting chippy with one of the very few genuine contributors you've got left.

Genius........

This really is getting embarrassing now.

I'm sure Bonce can speak for himself.

55 Re: The Latest Wheeze from the ST on Thu Aug 04 2016, 12:24

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We just did.

56 Re: The Latest Wheeze from the ST on Thu Aug 04 2016, 12:37

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You clearly don't take any notice of anything I say. 
I've never,ever put forward a counter argument,because,as I've said time and again,I agree with most of what you've said regarding the ST.
All I'm guilty of is taking the piss out of the vehemence of your argument,which can go on for quite a few paragraphs,which,considering your claim that the ST are of little consequence,I've always found rather funny.
As for sniping,describing decent supporters as 'weak minded' hasn't put you at the top of my Christmas card list.
Let the ST shrivel away by all means. At the end of the day,if they fail to produce the goods,I,like many others will walk away.
I'm just an old bloke on the internet taking the piss.

57 Re: The Latest Wheeze from the ST on Thu Aug 04 2016, 12:59

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Breadman wrote:
Sluffy wrote:

Why don't you for once concentrate on the content of the thread (which incidentally was started nearly a week ago now - as well you know!) and not the person who started it?

Does the ST's creation of a marketing app "supporting the business that support the club" have anything at all to do with representing the fans to the club, which they claim is their reason for being?

Not in the slightest is my opinion.

Is it in yours?

Why don't you add to the discussion instead of continually sniping at the author?



Brilliant PR, that - Well done that man.

You've got a site with only about 6 or 7 genuine, human being members, supplemented by a bunch of fake accounts.

So what do you do?

Start getting chippy with one of the very few genuine contributors you've got left.

Genius........

This really is getting embarrassing now.

Well, if you don't like it, go and start your own forum.

And stop thinking you're so clever, speaking for other people.


Tart.

58 Re: The Latest Wheeze from the ST on Thu Aug 04 2016, 13:02

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I might join Wanderers Ways.

Miamiwhite looks like a man I could do business with. Very Happy

59 Re: The Latest Wheeze from the ST on Thu Aug 04 2016, 13:06

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boltonbonce wrote:I might join Wanderers Ways.

Miamiwhite looks like a man I could do business with. Very Happy

I'm on WW, do business with I.Laughing

60 Re: The Latest Wheeze from the ST on Thu Aug 04 2016, 13:07

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Is nuts about to collapse?

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