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Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Phil Brown brings Southend to the Macron, the team he reportedly turned us down for.

Is he now regretting it?

We must win games like these if we are to get promoted, and hopefully without Mavies in the team we'll actually have 11 players on the pitch for a change.

3-0 Bolton.

Norpig

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Jussi Jääskeläinen
Jussi Jääskeläinen
i think we'll win 2-0, Southend have been poor this season so far.

whatsgoingon

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Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
I go 2-1:  I don't think we've got a clean sheet in us and that seems to be our default scoreline at the moment

scottjames30

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I'll go 2-1 too, they'll probably get a lucky goal, we'll play them off the park though.

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Should win game, but it will require a massive improvement on last night.

whatsgoingon

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Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
wanderlust wrote:Should win game, but it will require a massive improvement on last night.
I wouldn't use last night as a form guide just as I didn't Blackpool. I think the goal is just league I get the impression PP wasn't overly gutted about last nights loss but was being PC

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
whatsgoingon wrote:
wanderlust wrote:Should win game, but it will require a massive improvement on last night.
I wouldn't use last night as a form guide just as I didn't Blackpool. I think the goal is just league I get the impression PP wasn't overly gutted about last nights loss but was being PC
Last night was a should win game too and whilst I appreciate it wasn't important from a results perspective, it was important from a performance perspective and the performance wasn't good.
I don't buy this theory that players can be involved in a competitive game and slip into a lower gear - it goes against the grain and there are professional standards and reputations to be upheld. It took all my efforts not to compete against my own kids when they were little and I certainly never let them win unless they were at least trying, so I can't imagine a professional footballer would do anything other than try to win last night. Which tells me they just aren't good enough.

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
wanderlust wrote:I can't imagine a professional footballer would do anything other than try to win last night.

Where have you been for the last 5 years? Bolton players have been doing everything possible to avoid winning.

wanderlust wrote:Which tells me they just aren't good enough

We're top of the league. Shove your negativity up your armchair shaped arse.

whatsgoingon

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Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
wanderlust wrote:
whatsgoingon wrote:
wanderlust wrote:Should win game, but it will require a massive improvement on last night.
I wouldn't use last night as a form guide just as I didn't Blackpool. I think the goal is just league I get the impression PP wasn't overly gutted about last nights loss but was being PC
Last night was a should win game too and whilst I appreciate it wasn't important from a results perspective, it was important from a performance perspective and the performance wasn't good.
I don't buy this theory that players can be involved in a competitive game and slip into a lower gear - it goes against the grain and there are professional standards and reputations to be upheld. It took all my efforts not to compete against my own kids when they were little and I certainly never let them win unless they were at least trying, so I can't imagine a professional footballer would do anything other than try to win last night. Which tells me they just aren't good enough.
There are different levels of motivation for different games if you play someone bigger and better you raise your game if you play someone lesser they raise their game, it's about who wants it more.
This has been proved time and time again with giant killing acts throughout history, this was a bunch of bright eyed bushy tailed kids getting the chance to play a first team, whereas ours had the ignominy of being pitched against a bunch of kids.
I'm embarrassed by the fact we lost and think it's a disgrace that the players let it happen, but the lack of motivation I can understand.

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Natasha Whittam wrote:
wanderlust wrote:I can't imagine a professional footballer would do anything other than try to win last night.

Where have you been for the last 5 years? Bolton players have been doing everything possible to avoid winning.

wanderlust wrote:Which tells me they just aren't good enough

We're top of the league. Shove your negativity up your armchair shaped arse.

You sound conflicted.

Are you saying that whilst our players make a determined effort to lose, they are top of the league and are therefore great?

whatsgoingon

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Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
No it's clear that it means prior to this season they were shit but this season we're top of the league so shove your negativity up your armchair shaped arse

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
whatsgoingon wrote:No it's clear that it means prior to this season they were shit but this season we're top of the league so shove your negativity up your armchair shaped arse

For the first time in his life, WGO has it spot on.

Bread2.0

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker
See, bit of a slap from me and he falls right in line.

whatsgoingon

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Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
Bread2.0 wrote:See, bit of a slap from me and he falls right in line.
anymore shit like that and you're toast2.0

wessy

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker
wanderlust wrote:
whatsgoingon wrote:
wanderlust wrote:Should win game, but it will require a massive improvement on last night.
I wouldn't use last night as a form guide just as I didn't Blackpool. I think the goal is just league I get the impression PP wasn't overly gutted about last nights loss but was being PC
Last night was a should win game too and whilst I appreciate it wasn't important from a results perspective, it was important from a performance perspective and the performance wasn't good.
I don't buy this theory that players can be involved in a competitive game and slip into a lower gear - it goes against the grain and there are professional standards and reputations to be upheld. It took all my efforts not to compete against my own kids when they were little and I certainly never let them win unless they were at least trying, so I can't imagine a professional footballer would do anything other than try to win last night. Which tells me they just aren't good enough.
No this was a game no one including the management gave a flying fig about,
no one wanted to watch, the manager certainly only played first team players to save a fine, He took our striker off after 15 minutes and you think the performance was important. 

Due to our injury situation and the the embargo the only importance was to get out without injury. hopefully that was the case

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I thought Parky was still trying to work out what we need to keep or dump seeing that the club had already announced we'll be busy on the last day of the transfer window so it should have been important to him and to the players. And given that the players were all in the shop window it should have been important to the club from a financial standpoint. 

Doesn't matter now though. Hopefully things will change for the better in the next few hours and the next group match will be more positive.

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
This game takes on a whole new complexion with our new signings on board. Wonder if any will start?

Boggersbelief

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Potential banana skin this game. Suntan will have his team fired up, add to that extra motivation to want to be the first side to beat the league leaders.

karlypants

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
1-1 Draw for me.

karlypants

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Ref watch: Sebastian Stockbridge to oversee Southend meeting

Sebastian Stockbridge will take charge of Wanderers’ Sky Bet League One clash with Southend United on Saturday.

Involved in the game professionally since 2011, the Tyne official was based in the Blue Square Premier for two seasons before being promoted into the Football League.

He has never taken the whistle for a Bolton game before, but did oversee the Shrimpers’ League Two clash with Chesterfield in August 2013 and last season’s meeting with Doncaster Rovers at the Keepmoat Stadium.

He has also been the man in the middle of seven games so far this season, dishing out 30 yellow cards and one red card

Alf Greenwood and Paul Hobday will run the line today, whistle Mark Heywood is the fourth official.

Last Season (2015/16): Games: 30 | Yellows: 102 | Red: 6

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karlypants

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Preview: Five talking points ahead of Bolton Wanderers v Southend United

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With five players hoping to make their Wanderers debuts on Saturday, what to look out for against the Shrimpers at Macron Stadium

1. Ben Alnwick
The goalkeeper signed a two-year deal with Wanderers following the cancellation of his contract at Peterborough United. An experience shot-stopper at Sky Bet League One level.

With Mark Howard currently Phil Parkinson's first choice goalkeeper following his fine start to the campaign, Alnwick will be looking to make his mark as he offers competition between the sticks and looks to stake his own claim for a starting role.

2. Sammy Ameobi
Brother of former Wanderers forward Shola, Ameobi will be keen to follow in his footsteps when the Whites host Southend United on Saturday.

Having seen his older brother net on his Bolton debut against Leeds United last season, the pacey forward will be looking to make a similar first impression having already highlighed his desire to score goals for the club following his loan move from Newcastle United.

3. Keshi Anderson
Having seen a prolific loan spell with Doncaster Rovers cut short last season because of injury, Anderson will be looking to make up for lost time after recovering in time to feature for parent club Crystal Palace in pre-season.

Highly-regarded by the Eagles, the forward, who famously earned his move to Alan Pardew's side after scoring a six-minute perfect hat-trick against them in a trial match, signed a new deal with the club prior to moving to Macron Stadium on loan.

A potent finisher at non-league level before his move to Palace, the Trotters fought off competition from a number of clubs to bring the 21-year-old to Macron Stadium, and will be hoping to see him continue to get among the goals.

4. James Henry
A past thorn in the Wanderers defence having scored against the club in each of the past two seasons, Henry will be hoping to equally effective in the white of Bolton after joining the club on loan from Wolverhampton Wanderers.

Having previously played alongside Trotters trio Mark Beevers, Chris Taylor and Liam Trotter at Millwall, the wideman will be wanting to settle quickly as Phil Parkinson's side looking to maintain their impressive start to the season.

A Sky Bet League One winner with Wolves in 2013/14, the 27-year-old scored an impressive 10 goals during that campaign the last time he plied his trade in the third tier, and will be hungry to taste similar success at Macron Stadium.

5. Tom Thorpe
The last of Wanderers' five deadline day signings, the Whites completed the signing of Thorpe shortly before Wednesday's 11pm deadline.

Reuniting with manager Phil Parkinson after spending time on loan at Bradford City last season, the versatile defender has joined Bolton on a season-long loan from Rotherham United.

Having come through the ranks at Manchester United, the former England Under-21s international, who is also capable of playing in midfield, will be looking to again make a positive impression on the gaffer.

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wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I have to say the transfer window has changed things.
Only a few hours to go before the new signings are integrated into our team to play Brownie, but I'd be surprised if they all start or even appear on the bench so it may be a while before we see where Parky is going with this. 
If the end game is for Anderson, Henry and Ameobi all starting at some point in time, possibly with Madine with two up top if it's a home game, wouldn't that compromise the defensive shape he's been playing to date? Where does Clough fit in? We have a bunch of tricky attacking players all of a sudden.
Questions, questions....

wessy

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker
i expect Henry to start for Davies and it depends if Proctor is Fit  Ameobe may play a part from the bench.

Biggie

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wanderlust wrote:
whatsgoingon wrote:
wanderlust wrote:Should win game, but it will require a massive improvement on last night.
I wouldn't use last night as a form guide just as I didn't Blackpool. I think the goal is just league I get the impression PP wasn't overly gutted about last nights loss but was being PC
Last night was a should win game too and whilst I appreciate it wasn't important from a results perspective, it was important from a performance perspective and the performance wasn't good.
I don't buy this theory that players can be involved in a competitive game and slip into a lower gear - it goes against the grain and there are professional standards and reputations to be upheld. It took all my efforts not to compete against my own kids when they were little and I certainly never let them win unless they were at least trying, so I can't imagine a professional footballer would do anything other than try to win last night. Which tells me they just aren't good enough.

I like your enthusiasm and at one time I would have agreed. But that game was only a shade above a training session for our lads and was played in a pre season type of way.

Slipping into a lower gear is easy. I can only compare it to playing 6aside with my mates one day vs playing 6 a side in a league the next day. Both 6 aside games. Both similar standards of players. Totally different intensity. And the higher intensity games are always higher risk for getting a knock or worse.

 It doesn't mean you don't try to play well or win when with mates and you still put in energy, skill, effort to a similar degree. It's aggression that is the key factor.

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whatsgoingon

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Frank Worthington
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Saw this on Twitter and thought it was funny so I'll share it
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Norpig

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Jussi Jääskeläinen
Jussi Jääskeläinen
makes sense they have half of our old squad and our training ground  Very Happy

karlypants

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
they didn't need to change our badge as they could have just called it Bolton Wigan football club.

whatsgoingon

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Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
karlypants wrote:they didn't need to change our badge as they could have just called it Bolton Wigan football club.
did you find your coat KP  Very Happy

karlypants

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
whatsgoingon wrote:
karlypants wrote:they didn't need to change our badge as they could have just called it Bolton Wigan football club.
did you find your coat KP  Very Happy
Still looking for it. Embarassed

whatsgoingon

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Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
Which if any of the new signings will start tomorrow do you think? it will be interesting to see peoples guess at the lineup tomorrow.
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Buxton   Beevers   Wheater   Moxey
Spearing   Vela
Henry   Trotter   Ameobi
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