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rammywhite

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El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
I thought that it was as tedious as it gets. The football was mediocre- almost as bad as the stuff we witnessed last season. - and I didn't think it could get worse than last season's fare but it looks like it could be.
There was nothing on display at the game to enthuse anyone and if we maintain that standard then we'll end up mid table.
It was mediocrity writ large! An utter waste of an afternoon.

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Cajunboy wrote:But we should at least be able to batter Fleetwood.

They are the Cod Army.
Ouch.

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
All's not well in paradise - yet. We seem to be in two camps even though everyone is happy with our current position despite finally losing the initiative to in-form Scunny yesterday. Criticism of our performances to date has been met with "but we're undefeated and top of the league" as if that statement somehow wipes away the bad bits and implies that anyone who is not 100% delighted is being negative rather than constructive. 

Nat wrote: wrote:I am really disheartened after today.

A 1-1 draw isn't the end of the world, but the performance was pitiful and the manager clueless.

While I'm not expecting world beaters at this level, too many of our players can't even do the basics that should be taken for granted.

Buxton had one of the worst games from any Bolton player ever. Gave them the goal, gave them a penalty, and consistently got caught in possession or passed the ball straight to a red shirt.

The other fullback Taylor wasn't much better, fucking useless crosser of the ball.

In midfield Trotter continues to trot through the match as though it's a Sunday morning game after a skinfull the night before. James Henry was even worse, what a fucking useless wanker he is. He's slipped into the Mark Davies anonymous roll with ease. Vela, for all the so-called admiring glances from other clubs, needs to fucking learn to pass.

But upfront was where, as usual, we were at our fucking worst. Proctor is a donkey in everything but name. The twat can't even control a simple pass, time and time again the ball bounced off his fat knee or shin. And he should fucking get himself fit, there's no excuse for a professional footballer to be knackered after 60 minutes. We'll probably never know if this bellend can finish as he plays football with his back to goal. One thing is for sure, Madine is twice the player Proctor is, at least he can hold the ball up occasionally.

And fucking Keisha Anderson is an embarrassment. I've seen more muscle on a piece of string. I wouldn't mind so much if his so-called pace got him into good positions, but he seems to excel at running into defenders and losing the ball. The one time he did get through he shot straight at the goalkeeper when it seemed easier to score. He should have been off after half an hour, the shitbag. Woolery is twice the player this tugboat is.

But the biggest bellend of the day was our manager. We were shit all day, he should have changed things at half-time, if not earlier. But like all previous Bolton managers he waited until the opposition scored before making a change. And although Ameobi showed a couple of neat touches, the game was crying out for something different, but he left it until 85 minutes to make further changes. Fuck off Parkinson.

If he doesn't drop Buxton for Walsall he is a cocksucker. Wilson is a much better rightback. And if he picks Anderson or Henry before Ameobi next weekend I will personally see to it that someone does a dump on his kitchen floor.

Fuck off.
OK I don't necessarily agree with all the concerns expressed above, and there are a couple of other issues that weren't mentioned, but it's clear to me that we have a long way to go before we are good enough to dominate games comfortably in this league.

We had our fair share of decisions going in our favour in the earlier games so I don't think that blaming the ref for not giving us a couple of pens yesterday is any sort of excuse - although the cliche that decisions even out over the season is not one I personally subscribe to.
Maybe it's simply a case of us not having hit our stride yet, but the biggest worry is that the new signings - who filled us with hope on transfer deadline day - are not going to provide us with the attacking threat we'd hoped they would. 
Anderson made it clear that he is banking on us getting promotion this season so for the sake of the club Parky is going to have to find another gear IMO and hopefully it will happen before we lose our mojo altogether - because despite our position I think we're cruising for a bruising somewhere down the line and when that happens our players tend to get nervy.

wessy

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Lets take a step back we hoped to stop the rot, stop the decline, i think we have achieved this. On August 7th  if offered over two points a game we would have thought the offer deluded.

I expected to draw yesterday, i thought that we would beat Southend. 

To have a go at the manager is basically ludicrous, i nearly posted a thread pre match to say that if Trotter was injured then we would struggle to name a bench and would have nothing to change it with in terms of attack.

Yesterday he only had Sammy and Chris Taylor on the bench he used both, i disagree with Nat on Henry i think he gives us options, If Anderson scores next game then he is back in favour.

The most disappointing player for me is Vela he just rarely delivers, First half Buxton played right in front of me he did very little wrong ok at fault second half.

The truth is MKD raised their game when we had them on the rack, they turned it around and became the better side, BUT we remain unbeaten did you really think seven games in we would be saying that.

We have drawn the  last three and we are a little disappointed but the gap remains at two points so that tells you that we are not alone in being unable to cash in.

Take a reality check we nearly went bust, we are now top of the table the Chairman seems to be putting the club back on the right track, chill out and take it for what it is, a battle to turn the club around. as for the other full back he as played little football and will improve.

Nat just because a guy isn't built like a brick shit house doesn't mean he can't play, i give you Craig Davies or Lionel Messi ? 

We would have taken the play offs before a ball was kicked we are well on track to achieve this.

Oh yes Proctor the Donkey at least three times he brought difficult balls down with superb touch, he is a player of this level so get used to it .

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
wessy wrote:Lets take a step back we hoped to stop the rot, stop the decline, i think we have achieved this. On August 7th  if offered over two points a game we would have thought the offer deluded.

I expected to draw yesterday, i thought that we would beat Southend. 

To have a go at the manager is basically ludicrous, i nearly posted a thread pre match to say that if Trotter was injured then we would struggle to name a bench and would have nothing to change it with in terms of attack.

Yesterday he only had Sammy and Chris Taylor on the bench he used both, i disagree with Nat on Henry i think he gives us options, If Anderson scores next game then he is back in favour.

The most disappointing player for me is Vela he just rarely delivers, First half Buxton played right in front of me he did very little wrong ok at fault second half.

The truth is MKD raised their game when we had them on the rack, they turned it around and became the better side, BUT we remain unbeaten did you really think seven games in we would be saying that.

We have drawn the  last three and we are a little disappointed but the gap remains at two points so that tells you that we are not alone in being unable to cash in.

Take a reality check we nearly went bust, we are now top of the table the Chairman seems to be putting the club back on the right track, chill out and take it for what it is, a battle to turn the club around. as for the other full back he as played little football and will improve.

Nat just because a guy isn't built like a brick shit house doesn't mean he can't play, i give you Craig Davies or Lionel Messi ? 

We would have taken the play offs before a ball was kicked we are well on track to achieve this.

Oh yes Proctor the Donkey at least three times he brought difficult balls down with superb touch, he is a player of this level so get used to it .
Depends on how far you step back Wessy. There was a time when we might have ceased to exist and to have overcome that initial hurdle is something to be delighted about. 
But since then we have a new manager and a new team with 12 signings coming in when we thought we couldn't afford any so we were given reasons to be cheerful.
Add to that the results that have gone our way and I think it was perfectly reasonable to come into this game with some hope that our performance would be an improvement on what has preceded it this season.
In the event, it wasn't an improvement and that is significant because either the new players haven't got the quality we need to ensure we achieve our goal (promotion) or they just haven't gelled as a team yet.
We all hope it's the latter, but if it's the former it's going to be a tougher season that we should reasonably expect from a team with our wage bill.
So yes it could be worse, but equally it could be better - even though we are top of the league for now and undefeated.
Perhaps it would be a good thing if Scunny played their game in hand asap and then we can put this top of the league thing behind us?

Far too early to be having a go at the manager but stirring it is what Nat does.

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
wessy wrote:Lets take a step back we hoped to stop the rot, stop the decline, i think we have achieved this. On August 7th  if offered over two points a game we would have thought the offer deluded.

I expected to draw yesterday, i thought that we would beat Southend. 

To have a go at the manager is basically ludicrous, i nearly posted a thread pre match to say that if Trotter was injured then we would struggle to name a bench and would have nothing to change it with in terms of attack.

Yesterday he only had Sammy and Chris Taylor on the bench he used both, i disagree with Nat on Henry i think he gives us options, If Anderson scores next game then he is back in favour.

The most disappointing player for me is Vela he just rarely delivers, First half Buxton played right in front of me he did very little wrong ok at fault second half.

The truth is MKD raised their game when we had them on the rack, they turned it around and became the better side, BUT we remain unbeaten did you really think seven games in we would be saying that.

We have drawn the  last three and we are a little disappointed but the gap remains at two points so that tells you that we are not alone in being unable to cash in.

Take a reality check we nearly went bust, we are now top of the table the Chairman seems to be putting the club back on the right track, chill out and take it for what it is, a battle to turn the club around. as for the other full back he as played little football and will improve.

Nat just because a guy isn't built like a brick shit house doesn't mean he can't play, i give you Craig Davies or Lionel Messi ? 

We would have taken the play offs before a ball was kicked we are well on track to achieve this.

Oh yes Proctor the Donkey at least three times he brought difficult balls down with superb touch, he is a player of this level so get used to it .
Depends on how far you step back Wessy. There was a time when we might have ceased to exist and to have overcome that initial hurdle is something to be delighted about. 
But since then we have a new manager and a new team with 12 signings coming in when we thought we couldn't afford any so we were given reasons to be cheerful.
Add to that the results that have gone our way and I think it was perfectly reasonable to come into this game with some hope that our performance would be an improvement on what has preceded it this season.
In the event, it wasn't an improvement and that is significant because either the new players haven't got the quality we need to ensure we achieve our goal (promotion) or they just haven't gelled as a team yet.
We all hope it's the latter, but if it's the former it's going to be a tougher season that we should reasonably expect from a team with our wage bill.
So yes it could be worse, but equally it could be better - even though we are top of the league for now and undefeated.


Scunny play their game in hand on the 20th (home to Charlton) so if they win as expected we can put this "top of the league" business behind us. Mind you if we do anything other than win away at Wozzle we'll probably lose the top spot next Saturday anyway and could even be 4 points off the top with a worse GD by a week on Tuesday.

wessy

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker
wanderlust wrote:
wessy wrote:Lets take a step back we hoped to stop the rot, stop the decline, i think we have achieved this. On August 7th  if offered over two points a game we would have thought the offer deluded.

I expected to draw yesterday, i thought that we would beat Southend. 

To have a go at the manager is basically ludicrous, i nearly posted a thread pre match to say that if Trotter was injured then we would struggle to name a bench and would have nothing to change it with in terms of attack.

Yesterday he only had Sammy and Chris Taylor on the bench he used both, i disagree with Nat on Henry i think he gives us options, If Anderson scores next game then he is back in favour.

The most disappointing player for me is Vela he just rarely delivers, First half Buxton played right in front of me he did very little wrong ok at fault second half.

The truth is MKD raised their game when we had them on the rack, they turned it around and became the better side, BUT we remain unbeaten did you really think seven games in we would be saying that.

We have drawn the  last three and we are a little disappointed but the gap remains at two points so that tells you that we are not alone in being unable to cash in.

Take a reality check we nearly went bust, we are now top of the table the Chairman seems to be putting the club back on the right track, chill out and take it for what it is, a battle to turn the club around. as for the other full back he as played little football and will improve.

Nat just because a guy isn't built like a brick shit house doesn't mean he can't play, i give you Craig Davies or Lionel Messi ? 

We would have taken the play offs before a ball was kicked we are well on track to achieve this.

Oh yes Proctor the Donkey at least three times he brought difficult balls down with superb touch, he is a player of this level so get used to it .
Depends on how far you step back Wessy. There was a time when we might have ceased to exist and to have overcome that initial hurdle is something to be delighted about. 
But since then we have a new manager and a new team with 12 signings coming in when we thought we couldn't afford any so we were given reasons to be cheerful.
Add to that the results that have gone our way and I think it was perfectly reasonable to come into this game with some hope that our performance would be an improvement on what has preceded it this season.
In the event, it wasn't an improvement and that is significant because either the new players haven't got the quality we need to ensure we achieve our goal (promotion) or they just haven't gelled as a team yet.
We all hope it's the latter, but if it's the former it's going to be a tougher season that we should reasonably expect from a team with our wage bill.
So yes it could be worse, but equally it could be better - even though we are top of the league for now and undefeated.


Scunny play their game in hand on the 20th (home to Charlton) so if they win as expected we can put this "top of the league" business behind us. Mind you if we do anything other than win away at Wozzle we'll probably lose the top spot next Saturday anyway and could even be 4 points off the top with a worse GD by a week on Tuesday.

All fair points, my main point was that it was unfair to have a pop at PP for this game, anyone who looked closely pre match would see  that due to injuries the team almost picked itself, leaving just two attacking players on the bench.


All of our injuries are attacking options added to those that left we had little to change and PP made the only changes he could in terms of winning the game .

gloswhite

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Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
Scunny play their game in hand on the 20th (home to Charlton) so if they win as expected we can put this "top of the league" business behind us. Mind you if we do anything other than win away at Wozzle we'll probably lose the top spot next Saturday anyway and could even be 4 points off the top with a worse GD by a week on Tuesday.
Bloody hell Wander, ever the optimist  Very Happy

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
gloswhite wrote:Scunny play their game in hand on the 20th (home to Charlton) so if they win as expected we can put this "top of the league" business behind us. Mind you if we do anything other than win away at Wozzle we'll probably lose the top spot next Saturday anyway and could even be 4 points off the top with a worse GD by a week on Tuesday.
Bloody hell Wander, ever the optimist  Very Happy
Nothing to do with optimism or pessimism Glos. Just pointing out that being top of the league as a reason to explain away our continued inability to put teams away - especially at home - won't necessarily hold up for long and we need to start winning again soon if we want to stay at or near the top. The players need to forget about the current league position and focus on the job in hand i.e. the next game.
And if they can stay focussed on one game at a time, I'm optimistic that we'll do well.

gloswhite

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Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
Can't disagree with that  :good:

whatsgoingon

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Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
It is a very similar start to Wigan in L1 last season where they weren't beaten very often but drew a lot of games early on. A big part of the reason for that was a massive amount of new players bought in and acclimatising to the new league. 
Once everything clicked into gear for them they went on to win the division at a canter because when everything gelled they had the quality to put teams away.
Our circumstances are very similar and if anything we're starting from further back because of the finances but I'm confident with the new additions we will have the quality when everything falls into place to win the division but until it does there will be a few bumps in the road.
We're further along now than I and judging from the pre-season predictions others on here thought we'd be but the four wins on the bounce start in some ways worked against us because:
A) it set the fans expectations unrealistically high for where we were in our rebuilding
B) it made other teams in the division sit up and take notice and make us targets

I am confident we'll click into gear soon because we look to be getting close but we're not there yet.

wessy

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker
whatsgoingon wrote:It is a very similar start to Wigan in L1 last season where they weren't beaten very often but drew a lot of games early on. A big part of the reason for that was a massive amount of new players bought in and acclimatising to the new league. 
Once everything clicked into gear for them they went on to win the division at a canter because when everything gelled they had the quality to put teams away.
Our circumstances are very similar and if anything we're starting from further back because of the finances but I'm confident with the new additions we will have the quality when everything falls into place to win the division but until it does there will be a few bumps in the road.
We're further along now than I and judging from the pre-season predictions others on here thought we'd be but the four wins on the bounce start in some ways worked against us because:
A) it set the fans expectations unrealistically high for where we were in our rebuilding
B) it made other teams in the division sit up and take notice and make us targets

I am confident we'll click into gear soon because we look to be getting close but we're not there yet.
Wigan had 10 points at this stage,i t took them 10 games to get to our total, but i accept your point of view and agree there are similar trends.

 My concern is that our injury list is to large in % terms out of our total squad. and they are primarily all creative players.

Walsall away Spearing is suspended, so i expect Thorpe to step up, this kid captained United reserves and the England under 19s so i must have some quality he plays CH or defensive midfield so should be able to step in.

But if no one recovers we will again have little on the bench to change things if we need  a goal.

wessy

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Just on the Scunthorpe game in hand, before that game we have a set of fixtures they are away to Shrewsbury if they loose and we win then the game in hand still leaves us on top. Just an optimistic spin but still valid.

Boggersbelief

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Nat Lofthouse
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wessy wrote:Just on the Scunthorpe game in hand, before that game we have a set of fixtures they are away to Shrewsbury if they loose and we win then the game in hand still leaves us on top. 

I'm glad you worked that one out for us

okocha

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Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
There must surely be a role for Derik to play in front of the back 4........

Apologies if someone has already suggested this.

terenceanne

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El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
Last week I suggested that we wait a few more games before anointing us champions....and was roundly abused by Nat and others about being negative. Reading above is some of the most negative patter to be seen in years...err well at least a week or two.

MK Dons came down with us and it was on the cards for a draw/loss with them. Our level is League One until proven otherwise. As others have said we can be bumped from the top spot in the next round...... although if we can't beat a Wallsall then do we deserve the top spot anymore. 

I do expect a bounce back this weekend though.

wessy

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Boggersbelief wrote:
wessy wrote:Just on the Scunthorpe game in hand, before that game we have a set of fixtures they are away to Shrewsbury if they loose and we win then the game in hand still leaves us on top. 

I'm glad you worked that one out for us
Tit alert !!! I was talking to the grown ups

Boggersbelief

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
wessy wrote:
Boggersbelief wrote:
wessy wrote:Just on the Scunthorpe game in hand, before that game we have a set of fixtures they are away to Shrewsbury if they loose and we win then the game in hand still leaves us on top. 

I'm glad you worked that one out for us
Tit alert !!! I was talking to the grown ups

Did you know that grass is green?

whatsgoingon

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Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
I'm Boggersbelief wrote:
wessy wrote:
Boggersbelief wrote:
wessy wrote:Just on the Scunthorpe game in hand, before that game we have a set of fixtures they are away to Shrewsbury if they loose and we win then the game in hand still leaves us on top. 

I'm glad you worked that one out for us
Tit alert !!! I was talking to the grown ups

Did you know that grass is green?
Stop being a bell end he didn't work it out he pointed it out like many other things have been pointed out.

Boggersbelief

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
whatsgoingon wrote:
I'm Boggersbelief wrote:
wessy wrote:
Boggersbelief wrote:
wessy wrote:Just on the Scunthorpe game in hand, before that game we have a set of fixtures they are away to Shrewsbury if they loose and we win then the game in hand still leaves us on top. 

I'm glad you worked that one out for us
Tit alert !!! I was talking to the grown ups

Did you know that grass is green?
Stop being a bell end he didn't work it out he pointed it out like many other things have been pointed out.

ok I'm glad he pointed it out

wessy

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Boggersbelief wrote:
wessy wrote:
Boggersbelief wrote:
wessy wrote:Just on the Scunthorpe game in hand, before that game we have a set of fixtures they are away to Shrewsbury if they loose and we win then the game in hand still leaves us on top. 

I'm glad you worked that one out for us
Tit alert !!! I was talking to the grown ups

Did you know that grass is green?
Not as green as you sonny boy i have hairs up my arse older than you, and much more intelligent, you say things for effect, in effect you say nothing grow up. 
As pointed out others had said that the Scunthorpe game would knock us off the top maybe not the case, of course you knew that so it wasn't worth mentioning.

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
okocha wrote:There must surely be a role for Derik to play in front of the back 4........

Apologies if someone has already suggested this.
He was definitely in Parky's plans at one stage but was injured early in the game, so it's reasonable to assume that he'll be back when fit.

Boggersbelief

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
wessy wrote:
Boggersbelief wrote:
wessy wrote:
Boggersbelief wrote:
wessy wrote:Just on the Scunthorpe game in hand, before that game we have a set of fixtures they are away to Shrewsbury if they loose and we win then the game in hand still leaves us on top. 

I'm glad you worked that one out for us
Tit alert !!! I was talking to the grown ups

Did you know that grass is green?
Not as green as you sonny boy i have hairs up my arse older than you, and much more intelligent, you say things for effect, in effect you say nothing grow up. 
As pointed out others had said that the Scunthorpe game would knock us off the top maybe not the case, of course you knew that so it wasn't worth mentioning.

Your grammar is terrible.

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