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Is Beevers our best signing since Allardyce left?

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Sluffy

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A bit of a controversial statement I know but (loan signings apart) who have we signed that stands out better than him?

Yes ok we got the likes of Holden and Mavies but matches played divided by the high watering wages they got during the years they were actually here meant (in my opinion at least) that they simply were not worth the money they actually cost us.

Elmander our club record signing flattered to deceive, cost us a fortune and left for free!

Muamba wasn't even a regular in the team before his near death experience at Spurs.

Cahill could be in with a shout but the peanuts we actually sold him for does seem to sully him (although that really isn't his fault).

Holden came through the academy and so we didn't sign him from someone else (which is sort of the point I'm trying to make), so he doesn't count.

Eagles was ok until he got the strops and never really played football anywhere else since then.

Was Tim Ream better than Beevers?

Even Lee who we saw on Saturday was never the same player from that pre-season injury from about three or four years ago - he certainly can't get into a poor Palace team this since his transfer two seasons ago.

So who else is there that the combined geniuses of Lee (Daniel Braaten), Megson (Zat Knight), Coyle (David Ngog and Marvin Sordell), Freeman (Dorian Dervite) and Lennon (Emile Heskey)brought in?

Can you name anybody?

Surely there must have be a decent signing in the last ten years?

Norpig

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John McGinlay
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Beevers has been the best of Parkys signings but it's a different level from when Allardyce left. For all Megsons's faults he could pick a player and Cahill was a great player for us.

If he had stayed fit Holden would have topped the list for definite, he was outstanding until that injury at Old Trafford

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Norpig wrote:For all Megsons's faults he could pick a player.

Is that a serious comment? Do I really have to provide you with a list of the utter dross he bought for huge sums?

Norpig

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John McGinlay
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go on then, fire away, he did buy Elmander so point taken but he did buy the likes of Chungy as well didn't he?

rammywhite

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El Hadji Diouf
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Natasha Whittam wrote:
Norpig wrote:For all Megsons's faults he could pick a player.

Is that a serious comment? Do I really have to provide you with a list of the utter dross he bought for huge sums?


Yes please chuck. Produce the list.

Norpig

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John McGinlay
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ok Nat you were right aftre looking at some of the names on this list  Very Happy

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Boggersbelief

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Nat Lofthouse
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It was megsons scouting network not him.

xmiles

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Ivan Campo
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Norpig wrote:ok Nat you were right aftre looking at some of the names on this list  Very Happy

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Pretty accurate analysis and it reminded me how good a signing Ricketts was.

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
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Norpig wrote:ok Nat you were right aftre looking at some of the names on this list  Very Happy

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I can't believe you still doubt me.

That's a scary list. I don't have a problem with the low-cost signings, you take your chances with those and they can go either way.

But it's the amount of big money spent on shite. Elmander £8m, Shittu £2m (the clue was in the name Megson!), Zat Knight £4m, and if we're being totally honest, Muamba (£5m) did very little before his troubles.

But worst of all, he was the muppet who signed Mark Davies. Nuff said.

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
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However this thread is about the best signing not the overall track record of a particular manager. For me it would be Gary Cahill because since the big money era he was possibly the only CB we've had with international standard qualities. In fact he's the only one who fits in that class apart from loanees. Didn't stop him getting slagged off whilst he was learning his trade despite his self-evident skills.

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
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I thought Cahill was hit and miss. He had good games but just as many poor games.

He hasn't changed much to be honest, he just has better players around him to cover his mistakes.

Boggersbelief

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Nat Lofthouse
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Natasha Whittam wrote:I thought Cahill was hit and miss. He had good games but just as many poor games.

He hasn't changed much to be honest, he just has better players around him to cover his mistakes.

So is there any Bolton player you have ever liked or what?

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
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Natasha Whittam wrote:I thought Cahill was hit and miss. He had good games but just as many poor games.

He hasn't changed much to be honest, he just has better players around him to cover his mistakes.
He was hit and miss especially at the beginning but was noticeably better when he partnered Sam Ricketts instead of having to cover for Knight who was too similar in approach. He does make mistakes but as an aggressive CB he also sorts out trouble before it gets near the goal so I think that more than compensates. Add to that his distribution and attacking skills and that's why he's won the CL, Europa cup, Premier League and has over 50 caps for England. 
He played 130 times for us and scored 13 goals which is a better return than a lot of the duff strikers we've signed in recent years. Quality player and I wish we still had him.

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
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Boggersbelief wrote:So is there any Bolton player you have ever liked or what?

Mainly players before your time. Players that gave a shit and offered 100% every week.

Boggersbelief

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Nat Lofthouse
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Natasha Whittam wrote:
Boggersbelief wrote:So is there any Bolton player you have ever liked or what?

Mainly players before your time. Players that gave a shit and offered 100% every week.


How old are you?

Bread2.0

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Andy Walker
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Boggersbelief wrote:
Natasha Whittam wrote:
Boggersbelief wrote:So is there any Bolton player you have ever liked or what?

Mainly players before your time. Players that gave a shit and offered 100% every week.


How old are you?

Anybody else now got 24 Hour Party People stuck in their head after reading that?

King Bill

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David Lee
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Sluffy wrote:A bit of a controversial statement I know but (loan signings apart) who have we signed that stands out better than him?

Yes ok we got the likes of Holden and Mavies but matches played divided by the high watering wages they got during the years they were actually here meant (in my opinion at least) that they simply were not worth the money they actually cost us.

Elmander our club record signing flattered to deceive, cost us a fortune and left for free!

Muamba wasn't even a regular in the team before his near death experience at Spurs.

Cahill could be in with a shout but the peanuts we actually sold him for does seem to sully him (although that really isn't his fault).

Holding came through the academy and so we didn't sign him from someone else (which is sort of the point I'm trying to make), so he doesn't count.

Eagles was ok until he got the strops and never really played football anywhere else since then.

Was Tim Ream better than Beevers?

Even Lee who we saw on Saturday was never the same player from that pre-season injury from about three or four years ago - he certainly can't get into a poor Palace team this since his transfer two seasons ago.

So who else is there that the combined geniuses of Lee (Daniel Braaten), Megson (Zat Knight), Coyle (David Ngog and Marvin Sordell), Freeman (Dorian Dervite) and Lennon (Emile Heskey)brought in?

Can you name anybody?

Surely there must have be a decent signing in the last ten years?


Beevers is definitely up there. He looks a Champinship player at the moment and should improve if he keeps playing regularly.
Rob Holding is another name, although I think he came through the Academy. Shame he went at the end of last season, would have been interesting to see them both playing for the Wanderers.

whatsgoingon

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Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
It's definitely this guy, the rest are just also rans

bryan458

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Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
Nah !! It's a toss up between Gerald Cid and Liam Trotter!!

whatsgoingon

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Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
bryan458 wrote:Nah !! It's a toss up between Gerald Cid and Liam Trotter!!
Think that would be a close call as they are a pair of tossers

rammywhite

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El Hadji Diouf
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whatsgoingon wrote:It's definitely this guy, the rest are just also rans

Seen that video clip a few times- and it's about all he did in his whole  career. If you can call it a career.

whatsgoingon

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Frank Worthington
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rammywhite wrote:
whatsgoingon wrote:It's definitely this guy, the rest are just also rans

Seen that video clip a few times- and it's about all he did in his whole  career. If you can call it a career.
Don't diss the Braat rammy  Very Happy to be fair Sammy Lee brough in both him and Wilhelmson and never played them so it's difficult to gauge.

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Holden came throufh our academy?

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Sunderland
After playing two years of college soccer at Clemson University, Holden signed with English club Sunderland in early 2005. On March 12, Holden was attacked outside a bar in Newcastle because he was a Sunderland player, leaving him with a fractured left eye socket, which prevented him from training with the club for two months. When Holden resumed training, he suffered an ankle injury that ruled him out for the rest of the season. Holden was released after his six-month stay having never played for Sunderland's first team.

Houston Dynamo

Stuart Holden playing for Houston Dynamo in 2009.
Holden returned to the United States to play in Major League Soccer with the Houston Dynamo for the 2006 season. He made his MLS debut on May 27, 2006, and scored his first professional goal on July 22, 2006, in a 1–1 home draw against New England. He appeared thirteen times in the 2006 regular season and twice as a substitute in Houston's run to the MLS Cup 2006 championship. In the championship penalty shootout, Holden took the Dynamo's second shot and scored to the top right corner.

Holden's playing time increased in the 2007 season. He mostly started on the left wing when teammate Brad Davis went down with injury. In July, Holden scored goals on consecutive Thursday night games and added three assists in league play and another in SuperLiga play, as of July 25. Holden was awarded the US Soccer Humanitarian of the Year award in 2008.

Bolton Wanderers
Having spent several weeks training in England following the end of the 2009 Major League Soccer season, Holden officially joined Premier League side Bolton Wanderers on January 25, 2010. He made his debut on February 24, 2010 in a 4–0 defeat against Tottenham Hotspur in the FA Cup, starting and playing the full ninety minutes. He made his first league appearance on February 27, 2010, playing the full 90 minutes in a 1–0 victory over Wolverhampton Wanderers. On September 30, 2010, he signed a new contract at Bolton, which would keep him at the club until 2013. He scored his first goal for Bolton away to Wolverhampton Wanderers on November 13, 2010.


Stuart Holden and Nicolas Anelka during a match in the Premier League.
In the 2010–11 season, Holden helped Bolton reach seventh place in the Premier League and to the FA Cup Semi-finals. However, his season was cut short on March 19 after he suffered a knee injury against Manchester United at Old Trafford when going into a tackle with Jonny Evans. Evans' studs caught Holden in the left knee, leaving a gash that required twenty six stitches and a fracture of the femur near the knee joint, which ruled him out for a minimum of six months. Despite missing the final two months of the season, Holden was still voted the 2011 Bolton Wanderers Player of the Year. Without Holden, Bolton finished the season in fourteenth position.

On September 20, 2011, after six months out, Holden started and played the full ninety minutes against Aston Villa in the third round of the League Cup, but was then initially ruled out for a further six weeks as the club brought forward a routine follow up procedure. However, the procedure revealed cartilage damage, meaning Holden would be out for a further six months, missing the rest of the season. Later on in the season, Bolton Wanderers were relegated to the Championship after 11 years in the Premier League.

On June 22, 2012, Holden announced via his Twitter account that he was due to switch to the number 22 shirt after it had been vacated by Jussi Jääskeläinen. This was confirmed by the club when they released their squad numbers on July 5.

xmiles

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Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
I hope there is a place in football hell for Jonny Evans. Evil or Very Mad

whatsgoingon

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Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
I went to the reserves game where Holden made his "comeback" and a couple of minutes before he went down injured again he had a grimace of pain just off a simple pass and without doubt should have come off at that point. About 2 minutes later he went doubt in a crumpled heap and that was it.
The look on his face as he was coming off would have broken the hardest heart.

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
TBF our recent managers have signed a load of Beevers.

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