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271 Re: Brexit negotiations on Wed Oct 25 2017, 12:01

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
This is outrageous, snide and downright dishonest. David Davis is now saying that MPs won't get their promised vote on the Brexit deal until AFTER we have left the EU. What a bunch of lying toerags!

Here.

272 Re: Brexit negotiations on Thu Oct 26 2017, 10:01

gloswhite

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Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
What I don't understand is what those who want a second referendum hope to achieve.
As I see it, we will vote for, or against, what has been negotiated. Which, in effect, due to the lack of time and will on the EU side, is to accept what is on offer, or instigate a clean break. This has always been the case.
Bearing in mind the way the EU has behaved so far, the chances of them renegotiating, just because we want more, just isn't going to happen.

273 Re: Brexit negotiations on Thu Oct 26 2017, 10:19

xmiles

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Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
That's easy glos. You are ignoring this third choice of revoking article 50. What we want is not to leave the EU. Once more people understand just how bad it is going to be outside the EU I hope a majority will choose to stay in. Remember only 36% of the eligible electorate voted to leave. The decision was not handed down on tablets of stone from God contrary to the interpretation brexiteers tend to believe.

274 Re: Brexit negotiations on Thu Oct 26 2017, 11:09

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
xmiles wrote:That's easy glos. You are ignoring this third choice of revoking article 50. What we want is not to leave the EU. Once more people understand just how bad it is going to be outside the EU I hope a majority will choose to stay in. Remember only 36% of the eligible electorate voted to leave. The decision was not handed down on tablets of stone from God contrary to the interpretation brexiteers tend to believe.


If the government did a u-turn you'd be slagging them off for the next 20 years, calling them weak and dithering old farts.

275 Re: Brexit negotiations on Thu Oct 26 2017, 12:23

xmiles

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Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
Natasha Whittam wrote:
xmiles wrote:That's easy glos. You are ignoring this third choice of revoking article 50. What we want is not to leave the EU. Once more people understand just how bad it is going to be outside the EU I hope a majority will choose to stay in. Remember only 36% of the eligible electorate voted to leave. The decision was not handed down on tablets of stone from God contrary to the interpretation brexiteers tend to believe.


If the government did a u-turn you'd be slagging them off for the next 20 years, calling them weak and dithering old farts.

No I would give them credit for being sensible.

276 Re: Brexit negotiations on Thu Oct 26 2017, 13:45

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
gloswhite wrote:What I don't understand is what those who want a second referendum hope to achieve.
As I see it, we will vote for, or against, what has been negotiated. Which, in effect, due to the lack of time and will on the EU side, is to accept what is on offer, or instigate a clean break. This has always been the case.
Bearing in mind the way the EU has behaved so far, the chances of them renegotiating, just because we want more, just isn't going to happen.
MPs voting on whether we should accept the terms of a deal or even what we should do if there is no deal forthcoming is nothing to do with a second referendum Glos - it's to do with due diligence and specifically about ensuring that our elected representatives don't sacrifice the country at the altar of political advantage. 
The outcome of these negotiations will impact on millions of people for the rest of their lives and nobody in their right mind should even contemplate leaving that decision to one desperate person trying to cement her place in history.

This is treacherous.

277 Re: Brexit negotiations on Thu Oct 26 2017, 14:30

Bread2.0

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker
To be fair to May, she can't really conscience a vote on something she's not studied and has no idea about:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-does-not-know-how-brexit-will-hit-economy-david-davis-says-a3668491.html

Unfuckingbelievable.....

278 Re: Brexit negotiations on Thu Oct 26 2017, 15:15

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Bread2.0 wrote:To be fair to May, she can't really conscience a vote on something she's not studied and has no idea about:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-does-not-know-how-brexit-will-hit-economy-david-davis-says-a3668491.html

Unfuckingbelievable.....
But that's the point of having the parliamentary debate that was promised - to assess what's on offer and evaluate what impact it will have from which point it can be decided whether or not to proceed or go back to the table.
Obviously it would help if our negotiators took full account of the likely outcomes before they agree to anything but the way it looks right now is that they intend to sign up for whatever and then discuss it after it's too late to reconsider - like a teenager getting a dodgy tattoo and then announcing it to her parents over dinner ...(analogising from personal experience there :facepalm: )

279 Re: Brexit negotiations on Thu Oct 26 2017, 16:21

Bread2.0

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker
wanderlust wrote:

But that's the point of having the parliamentary debate that was promised - to assess what's on offer and evaluate what impact it will have from which point it can be decided whether or not to proceed or go back to the table.

Erm, yeah....I know.

That's why I threw the "unfuckingbelievable" in at the end.

280 Re: Brexit negotiations on Thu Oct 26 2017, 16:46

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Bread2.0 wrote:
wanderlust wrote:

But that's the point of having the parliamentary debate that was promised - to assess what's on offer and evaluate what impact it will have from which point it can be decided whether or not to proceed or go back to the table.

Erm, yeah....I know.

That's why I threw the "unfuckingbelievable" in at the end.
Sorry Dave - I was unsure whether the unfuckingbelievable referred to negotiating without knowing what a good deal looks like, not evaluating the potential outcomes of the elements or not letting our representatives debate it.

281 Re: Brexit negotiations on Wed Nov 01 2017, 20:49

Bread2.0

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Is this what "taking back control" and "parliamentary sovereignty" looks like?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-theresa-may-studies-economic-damage-vote-mps-force-latest-a8032311.html

If it is, I'm all for it.

282 Re: Brexit negotiations on Thu Nov 02 2017, 16:13

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Bread2.0 wrote:Is this what "taking back control" and "parliamentary sovereignty" looks like?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-theresa-may-studies-economic-damage-vote-mps-force-latest-a8032311.html

If it is, I'm all for it.
There may well be 58 secret Government reports predicting damage to 88% of the economy, but doubtless the PM will refuse to release them on the grounds that brexcrement means brexcrement

283 Re: Brexit negotiations on Thu Nov 02 2017, 16:25

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

284 Re: Brexit negotiations on Thu Nov 02 2017, 16:34

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
boltonbonce wrote:Worrying trend.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-41838426
Yes - but we'll have full control of an NHS without nurses.

285 Re: Brexit negotiations on Thu Nov 02 2017, 16:37

Bread2.0

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker
wanderlust wrote:
Bread2.0 wrote:Is this what "taking back control" and "parliamentary sovereignty" looks like?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-theresa-may-studies-economic-damage-vote-mps-force-latest-a8032311.html

If it is, I'm all for it.
There may well be 58 secret Government reports predicting damage to 88% of the economy, but doubtless the PM will refuse to release them on the grounds that brexcrement means brexcrement

They're apparently trying to argue the toss over redacting anything which may be deemed prejudicial to our negotiating team's chances.

And they want to be the ones who decide just exactly which bits that covers.

This needs to be opposed if we are to avoid said impact studies subsequently being released as little more than pages and pages of blacked out text.

286 Re: Brexit negotiations on Thu Nov 02 2017, 16:40

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Looks like the Government will actually release the secret reports to ...erm.. the Government's own Brexit Committee after all. Or more precisely after they have agreed the security measures to ensure nobody outside the committee finds out what Brexit really means. Brextraprecautions here.

287 Re: Brexit negotiations on Thu Nov 02 2017, 16:48

Bread2.0

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker
At least the Electoral Commission is finally investigating the leave campaign's funding.

And judging from his activity on Twitter today, Aaron Banks is shitting himself.

Good.

288 Re: Brexit negotiations on Fri Nov 03 2017, 09:17

gloswhite

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Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
New word !!! Well done Breaders ... 'Brexcrement'


I get very brexcited when I see these.  Very Happy

289 Re: Brexit negotiations on Fri Nov 03 2017, 21:37

T.R.O.Y


David Ngog
David Ngog
It’s telling that Leavers on this thread have given up on making serious comments.

290 Re: Brexit negotiations on Fri Nov 03 2017, 22:23

xmiles

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Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
T.R.O.Y wrote:It’s telling that Leavers on this thread have given up on making serious comments.

Welcome TROY and yes exactly.

291 Re: Brexit negotiations on Sat Nov 04 2017, 00:19

Bread2.0

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker
T.R.O.Y wrote:It’s telling that Leavers on this thread have given up on making serious comments.

Good to see you back, mate.

We live in "interesting times" politically and they're becoming ever more "interesting" by the day.

Great that you're back.

292 Re: Brexit negotiations on Sat Nov 04 2017, 01:41

Angry Dad

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Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
Who the fuck is Dave.

293 Re: Brexit negotiations on Sun Nov 05 2017, 10:33

Bread2.0

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker

294 Re: Brexit negotiations on Sun Nov 05 2017, 12:25

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Bread2.0 wrote:I hope Pfeffel's got a decent lawyer....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/04/boris-johnson-brexit-russia-trump
I doubt he'll need one as there are unlikely to be records of any meetings.

295 Re: Brexit negotiations on Sun Nov 05 2017, 13:26

Bread2.0

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker
We shall see...

296 Re: Brexit negotiations on Mon Nov 06 2017, 10:30

gloswhite

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Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
T.R.O.Y wrote:It’s telling that Leavers on this thread have given up on making serious comments.
Its nothing to do do with leavers, or remainers, anymore.
There was a lot of nasty comments and bad feeling after the referendum, with tempers running high. Add to that the Trump election, and one or two on here got completely out of hand, sometimes forgetting that this forum  consists of football fans with a view, not racists, idiots, and all sorts in between. In honesty, we were all involved to some degree. The vehemence, and abuse, shown by some was unreasonable, and, from my point of view, the hard core of remainers were so adamant that nothing good could come out of any aspect of the referendum, meant that it was similar to pissing in the wind when trying to say anything even slightly, for leaving. Unfortunately, I feel we are all still walking on eggshells to some degree, with the Brexit thread).
Having said that, we have all got past that stage, and even manage to have the odd civil discussion about the state of the talks, etc. The forum has now returned to where it was before the civil war, and I have to wonder why you even raised the point, to be honest.

297 Re: Brexit negotiations on Mon Nov 06 2017, 12:47

xmiles

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Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
Yet another brexit fantasy exposed:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41859691

298 Re: Brexit negotiations on Thu Nov 09 2017, 19:16

T.R.O.Y


David Ngog
David Ngog
gloswhite wrote:
T.R.O.Y wrote:It’s telling that Leavers on this thread have given up on making serious comments.
Its nothing to do do with leavers, or remainers, anymore.
There was a lot of nasty comments and bad feeling after the referendum, with tempers running high. Add to that the Trump election, and one or two on here got completely out of hand, sometimes forgetting that this forum  consists of football fans with a view, not racists, idiots, and all sorts in between. In honesty, we were all involved to some degree. The vehemence, and abuse, shown by some was unreasonable, and, from my point of view, the hard core of remainers were so adamant that nothing good could come out of any aspect of the referendum, meant that it was similar to pissing in the wind when trying to say anything even slightly, for leaving. Unfortunately, I feel we are all still walking on eggshells to some degree, with the Brexit thread).
Having said that, we have all got past that stage, and even manage to have the odd civil discussion about the state of the talks, etc. The forum has now returned to where it was before the civil war, and I have to wonder why you even raised the point, to be honest.

My point was that given everything we've seen since I'm not sure many Leavers are capable of having a serious debate about this anymore. 

If we look at the claims and promises that were made during the referendum campaigns, almost everything has been shown to be incorrect or in the case of promises reneged on. 

For instance: 

1. EU keen to do a trade deal - German car manufacturers want to sell cars, France winerys sell champagne.

https://www.politico.eu/article/german-industry-to-uk-we-wont-undermine-single-market-over-brexit/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-germany-business-warns-theresa-may-protect-single-market-trade-deal-uk-a7831401.html

2. UK workers will do the jobs of cheap EU labour 
[url=https://www.ft.com/content/13e183ee-c099-11e7-b8a3-38a6e068f464]https://www.ft.com/content/13e183ee-c099-11e7-b8a3-38a6e068f464[/url]

3. NHS weekly money (you don't need a link for this)

Nothing to do with civil discussions or vehemence and abuse, it's just a comment on the topic of the thread and how Brexit seems to be developing.

299 Re: Brexit negotiations on Thu Nov 09 2017, 19:23

T.R.O.Y


David Ngog
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Bread2.0 wrote:
T.R.O.Y wrote:It’s telling that Leavers on this thread have given up on making serious comments.

Good to see you back, mate.

We live in "interesting times" politically and they're becoming ever more "interesting" by the day.

Great that you're back.

Thanks mate, trying to keep up here and there. Good to post again!

300 Re: Brexit negotiations on Thu Nov 09 2017, 19:55

xmiles

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Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
Another brexit liar appointed to the cabinet to replace Patel. Her main claim to fame is the bare faced lie that Turkey was about to join the EU and we could not veto it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41930719

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