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31 Re: Jon Flanagan: Fuck Off on Sat Feb 03 2018, 15:11

Leeds_Trotter

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Let's get one thing straight here because most seem to be missing my point. I do not condone any sort of violence be it man on woman, woman on man, man on man, woman on woman, gender neutral on gender neutral and so on. However I do believe that all people can make mistakes in their life, not everybody can deal with things in the same way. Where one person might walk away, others may lash out. I see no reason as to why someone like Jon who has been given his punishment, should not be allowed a 2nd chance to prove himself. If people are always going to give him shit for what he has done, do people really expect him to change? What would be the point? He would be getting shit off people whether he changed or not.

Obviously there are certain crimes which I believe you cannot forgive people for, therefore they don't deserve a 2nd chance.

32 Re: Jon Flanagan: Fuck Off on Sat Feb 03 2018, 15:11

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Struggling to see how any logical person can equate hitting a man to hitting a woman.
Who is saying that? ..dunno..

33 Re: Jon Flanagan: Fuck Off on Sat Feb 03 2018, 15:25

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Struggling to see how any logical person can equate hitting a man to hitting a woman.
Who is saying that? ..dunno..

Don't know, it certainly wasn't me.

Like you I oppose any form of personal violence.

34 Re: Jon Flanagan: Fuck Off on Sat Feb 03 2018, 15:41

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Does being a pissed up emotionally insecure kid getting violent with his girlfriend at 3 o'clock in the morning mitigate what he did? No - but it does provide some context and does mitigate against his ability to control himself - as getting pissed usually does. That seems to be what the judge thought when he was sentenced i.e. diminished responsibility.
Question for me is why he - a professional international footballer - was getting pissed all night in the first place? Surely that casts aspersions about his professionalism as well as his character? 
Not what anyone would want at their club, but if you believe that redemption is possible as I do, he should be given a chance to stop being a twat. If he takes it, we'll have a quality addition to the squad and if he doesn't, then he can eff off.

35 Re: Jon Flanagan: Fuck Off on Sat Feb 03 2018, 17:36

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Struggling to see how any logical person can equate hitting a man to hitting a woman.
Who is saying that? ..dunno..

Don't know, it certainly wasn't me.

Like you I oppose any form of personal violence.


Read the posts people:

In my eyes it is no difference to what Madine did, both drunk and fighting.

36 Re: Jon Flanagan: Fuck Off on Sat Feb 03 2018, 18:57

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Yeah as in the same type of crime. So why treat Jon any different to the way we treated Madine? It can't be one rule for one and another rule for the other.

37 Re: Jon Flanagan: Fuck Off on Sat Feb 03 2018, 19:08

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PUNCHING A FEMALE IS WORSE THAN A MALE.  END OF

38 Re: Jon Flanagan: Fuck Off on Sat Feb 03 2018, 19:22

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:PUNCHING A FEMALE IS WORSE THAN A MALE.  END OF

What Johnny said.

39 Re: Jon Flanagan: Fuck Off on Sat Feb 03 2018, 19:40

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:PUNCHING A FEMALE IS WORSE THAN A MALE.  END OF

What Johnny said.
I never even said otherwise, you all seem to be getting your knickers in a twist.

In the eyes of the law they would have both got done for the same type of crime is all I'm saying. Therefore the same people who are calling for Jon's head, should have been calling for Gary's too.

See that's the problem with people in football, fans are fickle and they change their morals to suit. Saw some of our fans slag off Saiz for spitting the other week, however they seem to forget, Diouf did the same thing and they chanted about.

I remember, I once witnessed a couple on a night out in town having an argument, when all of a sudden the woman starting punching the lad in the face, he tried to back off but she just kept going for him. With blood all down his top he just stood there while others just watched on and laughed at him. I couldn't believe what I was seeing, how did people find this acceptable and hilarious? If it was the other way round people would have jumped in straight away. People can't change their morals to suit the situation, you either condone violence or you don't. It's that black and white.

40 Re: Jon Flanagan: Fuck Off on Sat Feb 03 2018, 19:51

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Its not though LT.  Its not black and white. Hence why men and women dont box or co- participate in mma etc. Blokes fight each other all the time.  And everyone knows not to hit women if you are a bloke.  Real men dont hit women.  End of.  Madine isnt innocent, but twatface is on another level.

41 Re: Jon Flanagan: Fuck Off on Sat Feb 03 2018, 23:23

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They were both in the wrong.

The law doesn't have different punishments depending on if someone attacked a man or a woman - it is the same crime and the same punishment.

So legally Leeds is correct in what he says.

Morally though it is reprehensible for any bloke to attack a woman just because they can.

There is a documentary on BBC iplayer at the moment - Stacey Dooley investigates - Russia's war on women - which is about wife beating.

I found it compelling viewing and can't understand a culture than thinks it is right for a wife to still be a possession of a woman once they are married as we are now in the twenty first century and no longer in the Stone Age. 

It shows one or two appalling clips of women being knocked about by their 'better' half.

Makes you worry about what the world is coming to when Putin's Russia thinks nothing of a pisshead battering his wife around a bit just to make him feel a bit better.

Maybe Phil Neville is the manager of the wrong country's Ladies football team?

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42 Re: Jon Flanagan: Fuck Off on Sat Feb 03 2018, 23:46

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:They were both in the wrong.

The law doesn't have different punishments depending on if someone attacked a man or a woman - it is the same crime and the same punishment.

So legally Leeds is correct in what he says.

Morally though it is reprehensible for any bloke to attack a woman just because they can.

There is a documentary on BBC iplayer at the moment - Stacey Dooley investigates - Russia's war on women - which is about wife beating.

I found it compelling viewing and can't understand a culture than thinks it is right for a wife to still be a possession of a woman once they are married as we are now in the twenty first century and no longer in the Stone Age. 

It shows one or two appalling clips of women being knocked about by their 'better' half.

Makes you worry about what the world is coming to when Putin's Russia thinks nothing of a pisshead battering his wife around a bit just to make him feel a bit better.

Maybe Phil Neville is the manager of the wrong country's Ladies football team?

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I watched that the other day Sluffy, it was a good watch. I always enjoy watching her documentaries. You watched any of her others?

43 Re: Jon Flanagan: Fuck Off on Sun Feb 04 2018, 00:24

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I watched that the other day Sluffy, it was a good watch. I always enjoy watching her documentaries. You watched any of her others?

Yes I've watched several of them over a few years now.

I tend to find her documentaries a bit like Bovril - I either love them or switch them off - I think it is more to do though with whether I find the subject matter interesting or not.

She's certainly a brave woman, she's been on the front line with the Kurdish Army women against the IS, investigated drugs in Mexico, been in a woman's prison in America and now sticking her beak into Putin's Russia - and it produces some good TV - or at least I think so.

She seems to get quite genuinely emotional about what she finds at times, and is clearly upset with some of the things she reports on.

I wonder what her father thinks, I don't think I would be to happy for my daughter to be constantly immersing herself in reporting various miseries through out the world, year in and year out, to make her living.  It must start to affect her sooner or later surely?

Hope she can find something happy for her to investigate and report on every once in a while.

Life's too short to fill it with just doom and gloom.

44 Re: Jon Flanagan: Fuck Off on Sun Feb 04 2018, 17:25

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I work in the justice system, and the low sentence would suggest the assault was a very minor one, with little actual harm caused, eg. a push, or that there were mitigating factors that the judge took in to account, eg. she attacked him first.

Does anyone know any more details of the case? What did he actually do?

45 Re: Jon Flanagan: Fuck Off on Sun Feb 04 2018, 17:59

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I work in the justice system, and the low sentence would suggest the assault was a very minor one, with little actual harm caused, eg. a push, or that there were mitigating factors that the judge took in to account, eg. she attacked him first.

Does anyone know any more details of the case? What did he actually do?
BBC reported the following:

Liverpool Magistrates' Court heard he "slammed" his partner against the wall and kicked her "while she was on the floor" in Liverpool on 22 December.

The court was shown CCTV footage of Flanagan hitting his partner, pushing her against a wall twice and then kicking her in Duke Street in the city centre at about 03:20 GMT.
Alan Currums, prosecuting, said a witness stated he had "seen the male throw the female against the wall and then kick her while she was on the floor".
He said the man saw Flanagan place one hand on Ms Wall's neck and one on her throat before he "slammed her against the wall".
The witness said he shouted from his balcony to Flanagan that he was "out of order" and the footballer replied with offensive language that he would "come and knock you out".


Both parties claimed to have been under the influence... but this was no love tap!

46 Re: Jon Flanagan: Fuck Off on Sun Feb 04 2018, 18:19

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Delightful character

What a lad eh!

47 Re: Jon Flanagan: Fuck Off on Sun Feb 04 2018, 18:39

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I work in the justice system

I'm not sure cleaning the bogs at Bolton Magistrates' Court counts as "working in the justice system".

48 Re: Jon Flanagan: Fuck Off on Sun Feb 04 2018, 18:51

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I work in the justice system, and the low sentence would suggest the assault was a very minor one, with little actual harm caused, eg. a push, or that there were mitigating factors that the judge took in to account, eg. she attacked him first.

Does anyone know any more details of the case? What did he actually do?
BBC reported the following:

Liverpool Magistrates' Court heard he "slammed" his partner against the wall and kicked her "while she was on the floor" in Liverpool on 22 December.

The court was shown CCTV footage of Flanagan hitting his partner, pushing her against a wall twice and then kicking her in Duke Street in the city centre at about 03:20 GMT.
Alan Currums, prosecuting, said a witness stated he had "seen the male throw the female against the wall and then kick her while she was on the floor".
He said the man saw Flanagan place one hand on Ms Wall's neck and one on her throat before he "slammed her against the wall".
The witness said he shouted from his balcony to Flanagan that he was "out of order" and the footballer replied with offensive language that he would "come and knock you out".


Both parties claimed to have been under the influence... but this was no love tap!

Doesn't sound very minor to me.

I'm surprised men who treat women like this actually survive to tell the story. If anyone did this to my mother, wife or daughter (if I had one) they'd be in bits.

49 Re: Jon Flanagan: Fuck Off on Sun Feb 04 2018, 18:56

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I work in the justice system

I'm not sure cleaning the bogs at Bolton Magistrates' Court counts as "working in the justice system".
Then he works in the justice cistern.

50 Re: Jon Flanagan: Fuck Off on Sun Feb 04 2018, 18:56

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I work in the justice system, and the low sentence would suggest the assault was a very minor one, with little actual harm caused, eg. a push, or that there were mitigating factors that the judge took in to account, eg. she attacked him first.

Does anyone know any more details of the case? What did he actually do?
BBC reported the following:

Liverpool Magistrates' Court heard he "slammed" his partner against the wall and kicked her "while she was on the floor" in Liverpool on 22 December.

The court was shown CCTV footage of Flanagan hitting his partner, pushing her against a wall twice and then kicking her in Duke Street in the city centre at about 03:20 GMT.
Alan Currums, prosecuting, said a witness stated he had "seen the male throw the female against the wall and then kick her while she was on the floor".
He said the man saw Flanagan place one hand on Ms Wall's neck and one on her throat before he "slammed her against the wall".
The witness said he shouted from his balcony to Flanagan that he was "out of order" and the footballer replied with offensive language that he would "come and knock you out".


Both parties claimed to have been under the influence... but this was no love tap!

Doesn't sound very minor to me.

I'm surprised men who treat women like this actually survive to tell the story. If anyone did this to my mother, wife or daughter (if I had one) they'd be in bits.
:agree:

51 Re: Jon Flanagan: Fuck Off on Sun Feb 04 2018, 18:57

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I work in the justice system

I'm not sure cleaning the bogs at Bolton Magistrates' Court counts as "working in the justice system".
Then he works in the justice cistern.

Very Happy

52 Re: Jon Flanagan: Fuck Off on Sun Feb 04 2018, 19:00

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Terrible. Get a job so I don't have to read anymore like that.

53 Re: Jon Flanagan: Fuck Off on Sun Feb 04 2018, 19:03

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So how much nicer was Madine who had anger issues?  From various news accounts:

A Championship footballer from Tyneside has been jailed for 18 months after he was found guilty of punching two men in separate nightclub attacks.

Gary Madine, 23, who has a previous conviction for knocking a man out in a Carlisle pub, punched a man in a bar in Sheffield in February last year, breaking his nose.
Four weeks later Madine, from Birtley, punched another man in the city shattering his cheekbone.

Madine's trial had heard he punched Mr Beresford, a Sheffield Wednesday fan, knocking him unconscious and breaking his nose.
The court was told Mr Hall, a Sheffield United fan, was left with a broken jaw and a fractured cheek after Madine asked him who he supported.
Bricklayer Mr Hall, who did not recognise the Wednesday striker, replied "United", and moments later he was punched in the eye.
He suffered a broken jaw and his cheek was fractured in five places.

54 Re: Jon Flanagan: Fuck Off on Sun Feb 04 2018, 19:11

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Hmmmmm...... Yeah, he didnt recognise him and say anything at all to him.  Not excusing it, madine's a cunt, but someone saw dollar signs

55 Re: Jon Flanagan: Fuck Off on Mon Feb 05 2018, 17:39

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Not sure about the second chance argument, No real man would hit a woman, however the real disappointment is that it's BWFC that decided to give him that second chance.

I have two daughters and four granddaughters i expect any man to treat them with respect and to protect rather than harm them.

Paid a price or not i could never respect that type of man.


56 Re: Jon Flanagan: Fuck Off on Mon Feb 05 2018, 17:51

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Not sure about the second chance argument, No real man would hit a woman, however the real disappointment is that it's BWFC that decided to give him that second chance.

I have two daughters and four granddaughters i expect any man to treat them with respect and to protect rather than harm them.

Paid a price or not i could never respect that type of man.

Yawn. Get off your high horse

57 Re: Jon Flanagan: Fuck Off on Mon Feb 05 2018, 19:50

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Give an opinion or get back in your box.

58 Re: Jon Flanagan: Fuck Off on Mon Feb 05 2018, 19:55

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Not sure about the second chance argument, No real man would hit a woman, however the real disappointment is that it's BWFC that decided to give him that second chance.

I have two daughters and four granddaughters i expect any man to treat them with respect and to protect rather than harm them.

Paid a price or not i could never respect that type of man.

Yawn. Get off your high horse

Not high horse but the man's opinion which he has a right to.

As a father of a daughter myself, I share his opinion.

There's something wrong with any man who can't control himself enough that he has to hit a woman let alone kick her whilst she's down - if the report is indeed accurate.

Make's you wonder how controlled he is on the pitch?

I know if I was a striker he was marking I would be sledging him all the time about being a wife beater, a coward, not a real man. etc - hoping for him to react and hopefully get sent off.

Then again if it was Madine he was marking they could compare notes on how best to punch people!

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