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1 Jon Venables on Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:08 pm

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Ivan Campo
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What is it with these Human rights people? they cant wait to let this bastard go free. He gets a light sentence for kiddie porn and with his history that's a joke he's an adult, he's going to kill again more than likely.He's a born killer and should never be let loose how he's still alive baffles me.

2 Re: Jon Venables on Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:10 pm

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Nat Lofthouse
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I hope his identity is revealed.

3 Re: Jon Venables on Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:14 pm

Norpig

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I've seen a recent picture of him on facebook which is doing the rounds now so it's already out there. He'll get another new identity when he comes out.

4 Re: Jon Venables on Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:17 pm

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Norpig wrote:I've seen a recent picture of him on facebook which is doing the rounds now so it's already out there. He'll get another new identity when he comes out.

Same but you can never be certain that’s actually him

5 Re: Jon Venables on Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:37 pm

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Irresponsible of anyone to post such pictures.

6 Re: Jon Venables on Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:13 pm

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Norpig wrote:I've seen a recent picture of him on facebook which is doing the rounds now so it's already out there. He'll get another new identity when he comes out.

I was under the impression that after his last conviction for abusive images of children that he was banned from accessing the internet so who was supervising him?

7 Re: Jon Venables on Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:17 pm

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boltonbonce wrote:Irresponsible of anyone to post such pictures.

A criminal offence no less.

I very much doubt that photos doing the rounds are of the real people involved.

8 Re: Jon Venables on Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:23 pm

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I doubt very much Venables is going to change his ways. He clearly has the devil in him and when he comes out again it wont be long before he's back up to his old tricks. Had he resided in America I suspect his background and history would have led to him being incarcerated for life with no possibility of parole.

9 Re: Jon Venables on Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:02 am

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I’ve seen picture comparing him now to the child pics and they do seem to
be him.  Eating a pizza.  The one who appeared to be the more evil one, the ringleader maybe, hasn’t reoffends yet.  Watched the documentaries and they were very evil...was the sentence enough?  No way

10 Re: Jon Venables on Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:11 pm

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More than anything, it shows that our goody-goody parole board members need to remember the crime the person committed, and not just how to 'help and guide' the perpetrator, by cutting their sentences, and making their life too easy. Unfortunately, it would seem that the original crime is ignored, and only the 'rehabilitation' is focused on.
More often than not, it would seem, the offenders are a lot brighter than the parole board, and manipulating the system comes as second nature.
More than anything, I would like to see what criteria parole boards work to, who sets these, and the whole process made transparent. If it wasn't for the public outcry, this obviously affected individual would have been able to carry on his sickening practices quite happily, with his managed life continuing in a grey area, below the radar of most people.

11 Re: Jon Venables on Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:22 pm

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Tony Kelly
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Doesn't his fellow perpetrator show the possibilities of rehabilitation? Not sure locking up kids and throwing away the key can ever be the answer.

12 Re: Jon Venables on Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:29 pm

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BoltonTillIDie wrote:The one who appeared to be the more evil one, the ringleader maybe, hasn’t reoffends yet.
Not sure which one it was but I saw a petition very recently calling for a public inquest (or similar) into the time they were in prison as one of them had done something pretty bad that got swept under the carpet.

13 Re: Jon Venables on Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:43 pm

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No surprise whatsoever that Venables is disturbed. When I heard the recordings of them being interviewed by police as 10 year old children it was obvious they were scared shitless and didn't really understand what they had done, and being jailed and demonised in the media at that age probably put the cap on any chance of them ever being rehabilitated.

14 Re: Jon Venables on Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:45 pm

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wanderlust wrote:No surprise whatsoever that Venables is disturbed. When I heard the recordings of them being interviewed by police as 10 year old children it was obvious they were scared shitless and didn't really understand what they had done, and being jailed and demonised in the media at that age probably put the cap on any chance of them ever being rehabilitated.
Poor Boy you got to feel sorry for him  he was only playing a game, I'm sure most of us have played let's kill a baby at one time or another when we were 10 year old's it's only natural eh?

15 Re: Jon Venables on Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:40 am

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Those two knew exactly what they were doing. It wasn’t their first attempt at abducting a child. 

They should have been put down

16 Re: Jon Venables on Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:45 pm

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BoltonTillIDie wrote:I’ve seen picture comparing him now to the child pics and they do seem to
be him.  Eating a pizza.  The one who appeared to be the more evil one, the ringleader maybe, hasn’t reoffends yet.  Watched the documentaries and they were very evil...was the sentence enough?  No way

Venables was the ringleader and was deemed the more dominant personality. They sent him to the approved secure unit for children at Barton Moss which is next to Barton Airport. It's a pretty picturesque setting and looks more like a stately home with nice gardens rather than a secure unit. It was very convenient for Venables to be placed there because it was only a short hop down the M62 for his mother to visit him. Thompson, never re-offended and now lives under an assumed identity. By all accounts he is a model citizen who is now married and has a steady job.

17 Re: Jon Venables on Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:53 pm

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Reebok Trotter wrote:
BoltonTillIDie wrote:I’ve seen picture comparing him now to the child pics and they do seem to
be him.  Eating a pizza.  The one who appeared to be the more evil one, the ringleader maybe, hasn’t reoffends yet.  Watched the documentaries and they were very evil...was the sentence enough?  No way

Venables was the ringleader and was deemed the more dominant personality. They sent him to the approved secure unit for children at Barton Moss which is next to Barton Airport. It's a pretty picturesque setting and looks more like a stately home with nice gardens rather than a secure unit. It was very convenient for Venables to be placed there because it was only a short hop down the M62 for his mother to visit him. Thompson, never re-offended and now lives under an assumed identity. By all accounts he is a model citizen who is now married and has a steady job.
I wonder if Thompson has told his missus who he is?

18 Re: Jon Venables on Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:17 pm

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Probably not, if he has any sense. By all accounts he is a model citizen. I believe part of the deal involved us being lumbered with a paedo who had been in an Aussie prison for a number of years and was a naturalized Aussie but was originally from the UK and had a British passport. I'm led to believe that Thompson still has to periodically report to the authorities. A bit like being on licence for life.

19 Re: Jon Venables on Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:29 pm

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Ivan Campo
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It's just not right James Bulger is never going to have a wife a job a house ,so why are the fuckers bending over backwards to give it to those fucking evil creatures from hell, it's sick. Happy families nice but not for the Bulgers they dont give a fuck about them do they? the people responsible for this are as bad if not worse. Think about what the mother the father feel knowing those bastards have been rewarded for killing their son.

20 Re: Jon Venables on Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:33 pm

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Ivan Campo
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If it had been me i would have found them it's not that difficult.

21 Re: Jon Venables on Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:39 pm

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rammywhite wrote:
Reebok Trotter wrote:
BoltonTillIDie wrote:I’ve seen picture comparing him now to the child pics and they do seem to
be him.  Eating a pizza.  The one who appeared to be the more evil one, the ringleader maybe, hasn’t reoffends yet.  Watched the documentaries and they were very evil...was the sentence enough?  No way

Venables was the ringleader and was deemed the more dominant personality. They sent him to the approved secure unit for children at Barton Moss which is next to Barton Airport. It's a pretty picturesque setting and looks more like a stately home with nice gardens rather than a secure unit. It was very convenient for Venables to be placed there because it was only a short hop down the M62 for his mother to visit him. Thompson, never re-offended and now lives under an assumed identity. By all accounts he is a model citizen who is now married and has a steady job.
I wonder if Thompson has told his missus who he is?
I do believe, if any belief can be attached to this tale, that Thompson is gay and if married it's to a bloke. He was also alleged to have served in the Army, specifically Royal Green Jackets. They were given new identities so maybe the army didn't pick him up as his police record would be under his "Other" name. Not sure I can believe that as the papers ask for family back to the year dot. Lots of stories about these two, but I imagine Venables is too much a recidivist to have any hope of rehabilitation. Better saving feelings for young Bulger. Poor little sod never given a chance, unlike these two evil buggers.

22 Re: Jon Venables on Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:17 pm

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Interesting belief, what makes you say that Bollo?

23 Re: Jon Venables on Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:41 pm

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I'll try to find the link, though I first saw it on a military website. As I remember it, a daily newspaper had mentioned marriage and military service though there are some of us who believe that may have been a story put out as a smokescreen. I doubt too much credibility can be put on any story due to the anonymity granted to these two.
Here you go. This is page 25 of a 26 page thread. The whole lot is worth a read for the vast array of opinion. Though the posters I point to are quite intelligent and pucker bods. Apart from the tragedy, there's some humour and lots of anger generating posts. You won't have to log in as you are only reading the posts.

https://www.arrse.co.uk/community/threads/bulger-killer-jon-venables-released-from-prison.203486/page-25

24 Re: Jon Venables on Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:18 pm

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Thompson apparently lives in Australia and has done for over ten years. Venables clearly has a deviant streak and is likely to to re-offend when he is next released. His propensity for child pornography would suggest that he is unlikely to be be rehabilitated. Two previous convictions for indecent material followed by a police caution for an undisclosed matter shortly after his release doesn't bode well for his future behaviour. He will be 37 when he is next released and in my opinion is still a clear and present danger to young children.

25 Re: Jon Venables on Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:08 am

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Venables should now be kept in for life. He's had several chances now and somebody with a 'how to have sex safely with a child' manual in his PC is clearly going to offend again.

The original 8 year sentence was a fucking joke and then he has committed a string of other serious crimes since, not to mention the affray and possession of drugs that were previously swept under the carpet. Someone has also mentioned above something that happened in the children's home that was also hidden from the public. I have never read that but can well believe it.

When you weigh up the amount of tax payers money that has been spent on this disgusting human being, it really is difficult to argue against the death penalty.

26 Re: Jon Venables on Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:03 pm

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Angry Dad wrote:
wanderlust wrote:No surprise whatsoever that Venables is disturbed. When I heard the recordings of them being interviewed by police as 10 year old children it was obvious they were scared shitless and didn't really understand what they had done, and being jailed and demonised in the media at that age probably put the cap on any chance of them ever being rehabilitated.
Poor Boy you got to feel sorry for him  he was only playing a game, I'm sure most of us have played let's kill a baby at one time or another when we were 10 year old's it's only natural eh?
I blame the parents.
Whilst I don't fully endorse Gerhardt's view i.e. "a propensity to violence, or at least uncontrollable emotions may be hard-wired into abused children", I suspect that as Venables was battered and abused as a child, that was the reason why he did what he did. Extreme violence was "normal" for him as he had spent his entire life up to the age of 10 being the victim of it. All the studies show that violently abused kids don't develop the bits of the brain that control emotions and one particular study which used brain scans on Romanian orphans in the 90s reported a "black hole" where those bits should be.

However, the point I made was about rehabilitation which is possible with some abused kids but the hysterical witch hunt put an end to any possibility of that.
At no point was it recognised that these kids were damaged goods and they were publicly judged as sane but evil adults rather than as mentally ill children.

Good to know that the hysteria bandwagon of righteous indignation is still alive and well on here though. 

Burn the witch! Burn the witch!

27 Re: Jon Venables on Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:11 pm

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Jesus Lusty i thought i was a liberal but that takes the biscuit!

28 Re: Jon Venables on Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:18 pm

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Tony Kelly
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Although I think Venables is now beyond rehabilitation, I think Lusty makes a good point in that rehabiltation has to be an option, the justice system needs to (and does in most case) remove emotion from cases such as this.

29 Re: Jon Venables on Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:21 pm

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I wouldn't want him living next door to me. And shouldn't I have a right to know,if he was?

30 Re: Jon Venables on Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:49 pm

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boltonbonce wrote:I wouldn't want him living next door to me. And shouldn't I have a right to know,if he was?
Nobody would want him as a neighbour because he's totally f****d up but society, and especially his evil mother should accept some of the responsibility for that. If you believe that babies are born innocent then you might even think they are entirely responsible. That said, nowadays he is what is regardless of who is to blame and therefore needs to be locked up until he proves otherwise but I reckon the time for rehabilitation has long since passed.

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