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31 Re: Let’s have a row on Mon May 07 2018, 08:45

T.R.O.Y


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
So we gained 43 points by luck?

Once you take that view, there’s no point bothering. You’re clearly beyond any reason.

32 Re: Let’s have a row on Mon May 07 2018, 08:50

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
We gained 43 points via a mix of different things. But the point is it's unlikely we could pull it off again in a stronger division with the same scattergun approach.

As I keep saying, if the crazy last 5 minutes hadn't happened and we'd lost, I doubt there would be a single person suggesting we keep Parky on.

You can't base a whole club and its future on 5 mad minutes.

To progress we need change.

33 Re: Let’s have a row on Mon May 07 2018, 09:00

Leeds_Trotter

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:We gained 43 points via a mix of different things. But the point is it's unlikely we could pull it off again in a stronger division with the same scattergun approach.

As I keep saying, if the crazy last 5 minutes hadn't happened and we'd lost, I doubt there would be a single person suggesting we keep Parky on.

You can't base a whole club and its future on 5 mad minutes.

To progress we need change.
This.

34 Re: Let’s have a row on Mon May 07 2018, 09:26

doffcocker

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Ivan Campo
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If Parky was just a manager of another club who he had gotten promoted AND kept up all under a transfer embargo, everyone here would probably see him as a gifted coach, and probably just the sort of manager we could do with bringing in going into next season.

I suppose that's very encouraging for the haters, because there's bound to be loads of clubs impressed with what he's doing, even if plenty of us aren't.

But on the other side of it, do you ever consider that whatever managers you'd shortlist - because on the surface they're doing a brilliant job at whatever club they're at - might just be as disliked as Parky is here, for all the same sort of reasons?

35 Re: Let’s have a row on Mon May 07 2018, 09:30

Bolton Rebirth


Mario Jardel
Mario Jardel
Like the avatar Nat, very good!

36 Re: Let’s have a row on Mon May 07 2018, 11:05

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:If Parky was just a manager of another club who he had gotten promoted AND kept up all under a transfer embargo, everyone here would probably see him as a gifted coach, and probably just the sort of manager we could do with bringing in going into next season.

I suppose that's very encouraging for the haters, because there's bound to be loads of clubs impressed with what he's doing, even if plenty of us aren't.

But on the other side of it, do you ever consider that whatever managers you'd shortlist - because on the surface they're doing a brilliant job at whatever club they're at - might just be as disliked as Parky is here, for all the same sort of reasons?

So you admit the football has been some of the worst in living memory but still want to keep Parky on?

That's like you having a girlfriend who continually cheats on you, then asking her to marry you.

37 Re: Let’s have a row on Mon May 07 2018, 11:24

T.R.O.Y


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:We gained 43 points via a mix of different things. But the point is it's unlikely we could pull it off again in a stronger division with the same scattergun approach.

As I keep saying, if the crazy last 5 minutes hadn't happened and we'd lost, I doubt there would be a single person suggesting we keep Parky on.

You can't base a whole club and its future on 5 mad minutes.

To progress we need change.

Until we get investment, recruitment is going to be a scattergun approach.

I think PP has shown he’s up to the task of succeeding with no money. Not sure I’d be confident if he had cash to spend, but I’m sceptical investment is coming.

38 Re: Let’s have a row on Mon May 07 2018, 11:56

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Until we get investment, recruitment is going to be a scattergun approach.

I think PP has shown he’s up to the task of succeeding with no money. Not sure I’d be confident if he had cash to spend, but I’m sceptical investment is coming.

My scattergun comment was aimed at his team selection, not recruitment.

Even you said after the Burton game you couldn't understand his thinking.

39 Re: Let’s have a row on Mon May 07 2018, 12:31

Sluffy

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:One game doesn’t change the fact our promotion and survival have largely been based on defensive tactics, not sure how anyone can argue that point.
It hasn't. Survival has been based on luck and relying on other teams to do us favours.

It's been far from luck mate.

Before a ball was kicked the season that has just ended, most of us would have been happy just to stay up this season, we were one of the bookies favourites for relegation.

The season really could be split into four periods, the first being when we were hit by the harsher embargo and couldn't resign Spearing and played our first nine games without a defensive midfielder in the squad let alone the team and ended up with just 2 points.  We still only had 2 points after eleven games whilst Karl Henry who was signed and by this time the bookies were offering 1,500 to 1 against us staying up!

So a quarter of the season gone and we had only 2 points, bottom of the league but finally had the final piece in our free signings and loans jigsaw squad.

The second phase of the season was up to the time Madine was sold.  It was by far the most productive as the side worked and Madine was the focal point of our attack.  Through necessity we had to avoid defeats in order to catch up with all the teams in front of us - it was the best part of the season for us.

If we hadn't sold Madine there is no reason to suspect we wouldn't have gain the points to save us from relegation much sooner in the season and even maybe allowed the team to play more attractive football for the fans, with the pressure being off us.

The third part of the season was life without Madine when we tried various things which sort of worked for a while.

The fourth and final part of the season was the last eight or nine games when players seemed to be randomly be picked or dropped from the team without any obvious reason - I speculate that probably had something to do with various contract clauses such as bonus payments after a set number of games or loan players being required a certain amount of first team games.

Parkinson did what he had to do to get us over the line with all the handicaps (embargo, no defensive mid, top scorer being sold mid season and not replaced, etc, etc) even if it was ugly to watch.

The three managers who were relegated all had better CV's than Parkinson, Coleman was much in demand after managing Wales, the Barnsley managers (one a Barnsley born and bred boy jumped to Leeds - a bigger club than us - and the other plying his trade with Inter, Real Madrid and Chelsea) and Clough at Burton who managed successfully in the Championship with Derby for four seasons - and I doubt any of them could have done a better job than Parkinson in keeping us up.

No, it wasn't luck that kept us up - and I doubt many other managers would have endured being here with all the hurdles that Parkinson has had to get around.  It might not have pleased the people who pay to go to the games - and they don't have to carry on spending more money on something they don't like but at the end of the day staying up this season meant more to the club than entertaining the fans.

With that in mind - mission achieved.

40 Re: Let’s have a row on Mon May 07 2018, 15:11

wessy

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:One game doesn’t change the fact our promotion and survival have largely been based on defensive tactics, not sure how anyone can argue that point.
It hasn't. Survival has been based on luck and relying on other teams to do us favours.

No it hasn't survival was fought for against all the odds from September Game 12, to the Villa match we produced results equal to a top 10 team during that period.

If we had managed any sort of form after the Villa match ie a point a game we would have been well away from trouble. The bottom line is that after 46 games three teams failed to match our total, sod all to do with luck the table never lies.

41 Re: Let’s have a row on Mon May 07 2018, 15:44

Leeds_Trotter

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Had Burton or Barnsley won, most of you, if not all of you would have been calling for Parky's head.

Going away to both Burton and Barnsley and playing the way we did was awful. The team has shown many times this year, that we play better when we play the ball along the floor, but yet Parky managed to throw away our 6 point lead by insisting on his long ball shite.

42 Re: Let’s have a row on Mon May 07 2018, 17:15

T.R.O.Y


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Had Burton or Barnsley won, most of you, if not all of you would have been calling for Parky's head.

Going away to both Burton and Barnsley and playing the way we did was awful. The team has shown many times this year, that we play better when we play the ball along the floor, but yet Parky managed to throw away our 6 point lead by insisting on his long ball shite.

When have we played the ball along the floor this season and got a result? We’ve played the same way all season.

43 Re: Let’s have a row on Mon May 07 2018, 18:00

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I don't object to the long ball if you have a target man. What I do object to is the number of games we've continued punting the long ball to Le Fondre or Ameobi, when neither are that type of player.

As I've said before, I'd love parky to explain that one. It cost us on several occasions.

Yesterday worked because Wilbraham stepped and played superbly.

44 Re: Let’s have a row on Mon May 07 2018, 20:51

Sluffy

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I don't object to the long ball if you have a target man. What I do object to is the number of games we've continued punting the long ball to Le Fondre or Ameobi, when neither are that type of player.

As I've said before, I'd love parky to explain that one. It cost us on several occasions.

Yesterday worked because Wilbraham stepped and played superbly.

He'd explain it as I've done on here before, namely Wheater and Beevers were found wanting at this level and a defensive midfield cover was a necessity for them in Henry and Pratley, (2 points from the first eleven games remember) - so that's seven players already needed for defensive duties, leaving four for everything else.

Two of these were wide men - perm any two from Noone, Buckley, Morais and Ameobi - with Madine up front - leaving one attacking midfielder/second striker from Alf, Vela, Karacan, Clough, the other Forest loanee or the Everton lad we saw nothing much of.

Wilbraham was played mostly as a substitute.

When Madine left without a like for like replacement, how else could Parkinson play without leaving Wheater and Beevers open again?

Wilbraham was the only player we had to fill the Madine role and he couldn't play 90 minutes every match at his age.

Playing Alf, Ameobi, the Forest lad, whoever as the lone striker role sort of worked until all the random team selections in the last ten or so games (possibly due to contract clauses/payments) unsettled things and even then IF we had not let in the last second equaliser at Barnsley we wouldn't even had to win against Forest to stay up yesterday.

It all seemed fairly obvious to me.

As for letting the kids play that many clamoured for, it's a bit like saying someone who is good at Atherton Colliery level (that's the sort of level they have been going on loan to) should be playing in our first team.

There's a saying in football that 'if you're good enough, your old enough to be selected for the first team', clearly lads playing in the north west league division two (or whatever level Atherton is) aren't 'good enough' yet.

Just to highlight that further the outstanding goal scorer we had last year who people demanded should be selected for the first team Alex Samizadeh has played just one substitute league game for Kilmarnock this season and that was only for three minutes!

45 Re: Let’s have a row on Mon May 07 2018, 21:54

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
That's absolute bullshit sluffy, but I can't be arsed arguing, you haven't been to a game this century so I might as well argue with a lamppost.

46 Re: Let’s have a row on Mon May 07 2018, 22:54

Sluffy

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:That's absolute bullshit sluffy, but I can't be arsed arguing, you haven't been to a game this century so I might as well argue with a lamppost.

I've never been to the Sun either but I know it's very hot!

It's not hard to understand why we had to play how we did with the quality of players we had, if people bothered to think about it a bit.

If I had been the manager I would have been a bit braver and more attacking in certain matches against certain teams such as our home match against Burton.  Teams that themselves were struggling and who shouldn't have been given the chance to be on the front foot against us but at the time our system was working, so I guess there was no reason to think it might fail us for that particular match I guess.

I make no apology of viewing football with my head rather than my heart - like most seem to do.  It doesn't mean I want Bolton to win any less than any other nor feel down when we lose.

Our next big hurdle is to deal with the BluMarble loan that falls due in November (there are also a couple of other big loans overdue but they are 'friendly' ones that won't push for payment like BluMarble would).  The money left over from that will I guess determine what is left to build next years squad with, so another season of clinging on might well be the case again.

I see it as a question of necessity to keep the club going.

As someone recently said to me Anderson hasn't taken over the club to spend his and his wife's retirement fund here, it is a business and he isn't here to throw his money down a black hole.  If that means survival and negative football, that is what we will be given whoever the manager happens to be.

Parkinson achieved the target he was given - and no doubt will be given the task to do the same again next season.

47 Re: Let’s have a row on Tue May 08 2018, 00:31

RustyNail


Nicky Hunt
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The only people that should be disappointed with how this season turned out are people that predicted we would be finishing mid table or above.
I'm not sad enough to go back and check but I would wager nobody on here made that prediction. I myself expected us to finish rock bottom and be an embarrassment to the division. We were looking on course for that early on but somehow they turned it around.
It defies logic and belief that people can give no credit whatsoever to the manager with the constraints he's worked under.
If people expect to see entertaining slick passing football with not a penny spent then they need to give their heads a wobble. Either that or I can easily send you a map to where Eastlands is. Season ticket will be a bit more but it will be much better value for your money.

48 Re: Let’s have a row on Tue May 08 2018, 08:23

xmiles

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Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
Whatever you think of Parkinson I am pretty certain he will still be our manager when next season kicks off. It would cost money to get rid of him and more money to find a replacement and we simply don't have sufficient finance to be able to afford this.

49 Re: Let’s have a row on Tue May 08 2018, 08:35

Norpig

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Now the dust has settled a little bit it is time to see where we go from here. I'm still not convinced by Parky but i think he will be here again next season so lets hope he gets some financial backing this summer otherwise next season will be a carbon copy of this one.
If we do get a new owner he may find himself out on his ear anyway, we desperately need someone to come in with real money to stabilise in the Championship.

50 Re: Let’s have a row on Tue May 08 2018, 08:35

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Whatever you think of Parkinson I am pretty certain he will still be our manager when next season kicks off. It would cost money to get rid of him and more money to find a replacement and we simply don't have sufficient finance to be able to afford this.
There''s a vague article about Anderson discussing Parky's future with him over the next few weeks [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] - although it provides no real detail.

What is interesting about it is that Anderson "is looking to find at least £30 million of funding this summer".

Given that he was prepared to sell up completely for £25 million? a few months back when he prepared a sales prospectus for BWFC it begs a few questions.

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