Bolton Wanderers Fans Forum

Last Match: Reading 0-1 Bolton
Next Match: Bolton v Birmingham - 22/08/2018 20:00
PLAYER RATINGS: Reading 0-1 Bolton (details)

You are not connected. Please login or register

Bolton Nuts » BWFC » Wandering Minds » Gambling

Gambling

Go down  Message [Page 1 of 1]

1 Gambling on Thu May 17 2018, 14:49

Sluffy

avatar
Admin
The government has just said that it is going to reduce the maximum stake on fixed-odds betting terminals (FOBTs) from £100 to £2.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44148285

As far as I can understand it these machines are a goldmine for the bookies, so much so that we now see a bookmakers on every corner these days.

Apparently the bookies are currently limited to just two of these machines each per shop - but the profit on them is so great that it is worth their while to open other shops just to get a further two machines out there each time.

I'm not a gambler, never have been, but I know one or two who are.

One of them who likes to gamble on football results once dragged me into a bookies to put his bets on (well I could have just waited outside but I walked in with him anyway because going into a bookies was a rare occurrence for me).  Whilst I was there, there was a bloke playing a roulette type of slot machine where he could be tens of pounds on each spin of the wheel.  At the time he was about £350 up and was betting around £50 per time.  I asked him what he had started with and he said it was something like £20 or £30 pounds (I can't remember now) and I asked him why didn't he stop and take - what appeared to me at least - his massive winnings?  He told me he would win a lot more before he considered finishing.

I was only there a few minutes and he was still at about the same amount when I first met him (after going on a bit of a losing streak then winning it back again), before me and my colleague left.

I've never felt the desire to risk money to make money, particularly on slots where I know the odds are set in the house favour.

As for my colleague I asked him once why he simply didn't bet on line rather than physically go to the bookies.  He told me he didn't want his wife to find out by looking on his phone, what he was up to!

I don't see the appeal of gambling although I know a number on here do enjoy it - but in a small way.

Is the government right to stick its nose in to simply stop a number of people gambling too much, who will probably only find another way to throw their money away.  The consequences to the bookmakers will be enormous and I doubt it will take long before a large number of the corner shop bookies that have sprung up recently start to close with people losing their jobs.

Shouldn't people be allowed to do what they want with their own money - even if that means giving it all to the bookies rather than to their wives and kids?  Surely their wives and kids would have kicked them into touch by now anyway!

What do you think?

2 Re: Gambling on Thu May 17 2018, 16:06

Norpig

avatar
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I only bet on football and then only when i can afford it and usually only bet a few quid at a time. I'll generally put a tenner in my online account and use that until it's gone. Sometimes i may get a few wins and it will last a few weeks, other times it can be gone over a weekend.
It is a very slippery slope, I've had to stop myself in the past from betting more if i've lost my tenner quickly and can lead to real issues if you constantly chase to get your money back. 
Those machine in bookies do cause problems but i'm sure they'll find ways round it like just having more machines in the shops or recreating the machines for online use instead.

3 Re: Gambling on Thu May 17 2018, 16:13

karlypants

avatar
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I went to what used to be Stanley casino when I was 18. I took 50 quid with me and that was my limit,

I was up and down all night and had a bit of fun with it as it was a one off. I played to lose.

I can say that I have never been back since nor have I ever been in a bookies and wouldn’t have a clue what to do in one as it’s not my cup of tea.

Th only thing I will do every now and then is the national lotto or euro millions and that’s as far as it goes.

I think that all gambling adverts (as well as alcohol and fast food for that matter) should be banned here period due to the devastation it can cause to peoples life.



4 Re: Gambling on Thu May 17 2018, 16:46

boltonbonce

avatar
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I like a bet,but the one armed bandits are off limits. I just don't see the fun.
But the bookmakers are raking it in from them. My local bookie says he sometimes has to physically throw people out at closing time,or they'd never leave.
Some punters get quite aggressive,and he has a large number of female staff,which is a worry for him.
Sadly,some people need saving from themselves.

5 Re: Gambling on Thu May 17 2018, 16:50

DEANO82


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
All that will happen is the people that go into the shops to play the games will just start playing online.

6 Re: Gambling on Thu May 17 2018, 16:59

boltonbonce

avatar
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@DEANO82 wrote:All that will happen is the people that go into the shops to play the games will just start playing online.
I'm sure they can limit what they spend online too.

7 Re: Gambling on Thu May 17 2018, 17:26

Boggersbelief

avatar
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I only bet on football accas so I’m ok with this news

8 Re: Gambling on Thu May 17 2018, 18:02

DEANO82


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
Should just ban the machines. No one is going to play roulette at £2 A spin.

9 Re: Gambling on Thu May 17 2018, 18:05

boltonbonce

avatar
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@DEANO82 wrote:Should just ban the machines. No one is going to play roulette at £2 A spin.
Don't know why anyone plays it at all. Stupid game.

10 Re: Gambling on Thu May 17 2018, 19:58

DEANO82


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
@boltonbonce wrote:
@DEANO82 wrote:Should just ban the machines. No one is going to play roulette at £2 A spin.
Don't know why anyone plays it at all. Stupid game.
I agree but if you are going to play it you have to have a spread of numbers, 2 quid doesn' go very far.

11 Re: Gambling on Thu May 17 2018, 20:12

Bollotom2014

avatar
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
Anyone who has been or is a Trotter's supporter should never gamble. We lose too much too often. Keep yer money in yer pocket and waste it on wimmin an' booze.

12 Re: Gambling on Fri May 18 2018, 04:56

Growler


Nicolas Anelka
Nicolas Anelka
Confessions of an ex gambler

I have lost 4k in a night on two occasions and have won 9k in a night so am familiar with problem gambling.This betting was not in shops but at home on bookies online slots which are also weighted in the bookies favour like FOBTs, the bookies are certain to win in the long term

The high speed gambling machines ie a bet every few seconds are the real problem, it can be very addictive once you start.Horse racing or football where there is a much longer delay between results are not nearly so dangerous to a bank balance.

On the 4k losses nights, I was spinning at £20 and £14 a time on slot machines every few seconds.It's mental, I didnt start off spinning at those amounts but upped the stakes to chase losses.Once getting in the " gambling zone" the value of money means nothing, it is just numbers on a screen and the goal is to get back what you started with .In my case 4k in the hole seemed to be my acceptance level that its maybe time to stop transferring money into the account

The 9k up night was from an £8 spin which won an 11.5k jackpot, I was down a couple of grand at the time.If most people woke up 9k richer from  gambling they'd be very happy but it was more a feeling of relief not to lose the 2k and I also knew that it was inevitable I would lose some of it, I wasn't bright enough to call it a day, I still had the urge to gamble
Sure enough, the first  of the 4k loss nights was later that week.I ended up losing  all the 9k and " a few quid" on top

I have seen nothing about spin sizes being reduced online which will be as big a problem as in the shops if nothing is done.Even so, if the max spin is reduced  to £2 a spin it's still possible to lose a few grand in a bad 6-8 hour session, but its obviously not as dangerous as spinning £20s

Its been almost a year since I gave it up hopefully forever.I asked the bank to block me from transferring any money into gambling companies and that has been enough.I don't have the urge to go into a bookies shop and play the machines, i never had it was always at home for me.

13 Re: Gambling on Fri May 18 2018, 08:33

Norpig

avatar
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Thanks for that Growler, a very interesting read and a real eye opener, hope you manage to beat this addiction mate  :good:

14 Re: Gambling on Fri May 18 2018, 08:43

rammywhite

avatar
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
Always seemed a dangerous addiction to me- possibly worse than alcohol. As a student I used to go racing at places like Beverley and York and gamble fivers each way- but didn't  get addicted. I still go to places like Cartmel and gamble fivers , but that's more for the fun of the day out. I did some work for Coral a few years ago and heard about the way they try to stop addicts gambling but it was unconvincing as most of the high street outlets have targets for bets placed- they're rewarded on turnover. As one of them put it to me- if you walk into a bookies with a tenner ,the most the bookie can win is a tenner. But the punter could walk away with thousands. That's why they' fix' things like the prices/odds in their favour.
Its online gambling which is a curse and that's going to be almost impossible to control.

15 Re: Gambling on Fri May 18 2018, 08:59

Sluffy

avatar
Admin
Thank you for sharing that with us Growler.

It can't have been easy for you to do so.

It is very much appreciated.

Hope you've beaten your demons for good.

16 Re: Gambling on Fri May 18 2018, 10:16

BoltonTillIDie

avatar
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

17 Re: Gambling on Fri May 18 2018, 10:16

BoltonTillIDie

avatar
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I do like a flutter, but my motto is only bet what you can afford to lose.

18 Re: Gambling on Fri May 18 2018, 11:11

wanderlust

avatar
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I was lucky enough to share a flat with an obsessive gambler when I went to Uni and his inability to see beyond the next win or loss taught me a lesson for life. On rare occasions I'll have a night at the casino or go to the races with a fixed budget that equates to a night out on the town and when I lose it all I stop - knowing that I would have spent the same if I'd gone for a meal or a night in the pub instead. If I win it's a bonus. 
Frankly if folk stick to an affordable budget there should never be a problem as you're just paying for entertainment as you would do in nongambling circumstances.

19 Re: Gambling on Tue May 29 2018, 00:31

RustyNail


Nicky Hunt
Nicky Hunt
I can never understand anybody going on these bookies machines or online slots. Of course they are rigged for the bookies to win. Therefore the people that play all the time are always going to end up losing. I get they are addictive but if you know you are always going to end up losing what makes you carry on?

Back to top  Message [Page 1 of 1]

Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum