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Filipe Morais told of Bolton Wanderers exit via a tweet

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Sluffy

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WANDERERS shocked supporters by announcing the departure of popular winger Filipe Morais.
The 32-year-old played 37 times for Phil Parkinson last season in a number of positions and had widely been expected to sign a new deal this summer.
But a surprising statement rushed out of the Macron Stadium at 5pm confirmed the club would not be offering a new contract, thanking Morais for his services.
The Bolton News understands Morais found out about his exit after reading a club tweet, linked to the official website. He had been coaching at his academy over the last few weeks and had not been in contact with any of the Wanderers staff.

Wanderers announced the signing of Erhun Oztumer yesterday and are believed to be busy in the transfer market as they build a side capable of progressing in the Championship. Nevertheless, news of Morais's departure has raised eyebrows right around the club.
Signed on a free transfer from Bradford City in February 2017, the former Chelsea youth star played a major part in Wanderers' promotion from League One, scoring two goals and supplying 14 assists. His reliable delivery from wide areas earned him the nickname 'Postman' among the Bolton supporters.
Morais signed a one-year extension last summer and his versatility proved a valuable asset for Parkinson as his side battled to stay in the Championship.
Speaking last month to The Bolton News, he said: "“Given the opportunity next season I feel I can kick on and improve. I know the gaffer will want to push on and make a better team, and I can go up another level too.”

Meanwhile, Chris Taylor - released by Wanderers at the end of the season - has signed a one-year deal with League One Blackpool.
The 31-year-old made 23 appearances for Bolton during their League One promotion campaign but started just three games. He did not play a single minute of football last season after a succession of injuries.

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/wanderers/16288661.Wanderers_winger_finds_out_about_his_exit_via_club_tweet/

Leeds_Trotter

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Disgusting

Boggersbelief

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Leeds_Trotter wrote:Disgusting

Gullible

Leeds_Trotter

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Andy Walker
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@Boggersbelief wrote:
@Leeds_Trotter wrote:Disgusting

Gullible
Nope. If I was to listen to your ITK posts, then I'd be gullible.  Razz

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Nicolas Anelka
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Very disappointing, he was my favourite of our wingers and my favourite player on Bolton's books.Girls get upset if they get ditched by a phone call never mind a text but i cant see a grown man being upset about how he found out he was getting finished.

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Growler wrote:Girls get upset if they get ditched by a phone call never mind a text

You scoundrel. Man up and ditch them face to face.

y2johnny


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
This didnt happen

luckyPeterpiper

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Frank Worthington
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I don't believe this happened the way it's been reported. As to him being released well while I think he had a decent season last term I can't say I'm all that surprised really. Not only because of his age but because it seems clear to me that Ken and Phil are swinging the axe to get the wage bill down as far as possible. I still think that's the reason we let go of Henry and signed Lowe instead rather than as a partner or backup. It's all about the numbers on the balance sheet.

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Nat Lofthouse
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@luckyPeterpiper wrote:I don't believe this happened the way it's been reported. As to him being released well while I think he had a decent season last term I can't say I'm all that surprised really. Not only because of his age but because it seems clear to me that Ken and Phil are swinging the axe to get the wage bill down as far as possible. I still think that's the reason we let go of Henry and signed Lowe instead rather than as a partner or backup. It's all about the numbers on the balance sheet.
It is but if you then spend the money you've saved on a bunch of has beens who may or may not work out better than what you had, it's more like rearranging the deckchairs than progress.

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Tony Kelly
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Anyone we sign is going to be a gamble one way or another - our budget is not even close to competitive and all signings will reflect that.

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Frank Worthington
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@wanderlust wrote:
@luckyPeterpiper wrote:I don't believe this happened the way it's been reported. As to him being released well while I think he had a decent season last term I can't say I'm all that surprised really. Not only because of his age but because it seems clear to me that Ken and Phil are swinging the axe to get the wage bill down as far as possible. I still think that's the reason we let go of Henry and signed Lowe instead rather than as a partner or backup. It's all about the numbers on the balance sheet.
It is but if you then spend the money you've saved on a bunch of has beens who may or may not work out better than what you had, it's more like rearranging the deckchairs than progress.
I understand where you're coming from and I share your concern but let's face it, the ones we've released weren't all that great to begin with were they? If they were we wouldn't have needed a final day miracle to stay up.

It's my guess (and I admit it IS a guess) that we're not spending ALL the money we save on wages, we're using some of it to offset the debts while bringing in the best players we can for the lowest possible outlay. If they're only a fraction better than the ones we've released then that would be progress in my book and from what I've seen the guys coming in are here because they're hungry to play again, to put themselves back in the public eye or shop window as it were.

We may well be the last chance saloon for some of them and that could well be a good thing from our point of view. If they succeed we might even be able to sell them on for a few quid and use that to further offset the debts. If they fail we haven't spent a lot on them so it won't be a crippling blow if they wind up being released later.

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@wanderlust wrote:
@luckyPeterpiper wrote:I don't believe this happened the way it's been reported. As to him being released well while I think he had a decent season last term I can't say I'm all that surprised really. Not only because of his age but because it seems clear to me that Ken and Phil are swinging the axe to get the wage bill down as far as possible. I still think that's the reason we let go of Henry and signed Lowe instead rather than as a partner or backup. It's all about the numbers on the balance sheet.
It is but if you then spend the money you've saved on a bunch of has beens who may or may not work out better than what you had, it's more like rearranging the deckchairs than progress.

We've already signed a player that other clubs were interested in, so he's not come to us if we aren't at least paying the market rate in wages for him and he likes our plans for the club this season coming.

He's 27 and our other new player 25, so hardly signing 'has beens' either.

Morais probably would have found out by the clubs official twitter announcement but I would strongly imagine all other forms of contacting him (and his agent) had first been tried to contact him and failed.  It's not as though he wasn't expecting some sort of communication with his contract nearly up, was it!

It's also not necessarily the clubs decision to let him go either - maybe Morais was offered a one year contract and turned it down because he wanted a two year one and it didn't fit in with the clubs future idea's.

There will be plenty more arrivals in to the club before the transfer windows shut so let's judge who well we did with recruitment and up grading last seasons squad then.

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Frank Worthington
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The 'going rate' may well be less than we were paying some of these guys though sluffy. Don't forget quite a few of them were holdovers from Dougie and Neil's days. I suspect what's happening is two things. First we're looking to trim the wage bill and second, we're replacing certain players with guys Phil thinks have more to offer and are younger with a concommitant reduction in costs and a potential increase in resale value down the road. I hope the lads coming in perform the way Phil seems to think they will and as to Morais I can see why the club would let him go if his wage was high or he wanted more than a year because he's past 30 and in all likelihood wouldn't command much of a fee if any should it become necessary to offload him later.

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Nat Lofthouse
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Preston are a side who wanted oztumer, they're also a side now well established in the championship and are looking to break into the playoffs, possibly further. Clearly they thought oztumer was the type of player they needed to do just that, so why's he ended up here?

Because big things are happening on the quiet regarding investment and ambition, this is only the beginning

MORAIS was shite, played half decent for a few months when he first joined but as I expected that new club bounce didn't last, let's not forget he couldn't even break into Bradford's team before he left them. Glad we've cut him loose, we need better and will get better

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@luckyPeterpiper wrote:The 'going rate' may well be less than we were paying some of these guys though sluffy. Don't forget quite a few of them were holdovers from Dougie and Neil's days. I suspect what's happening is two things. First we're looking to trim the wage bill and second, we're replacing certain players with guys Phil thinks have more to offer and are younger with a concommitant reduction in costs and a potential increase in resale value down the road. I hope the lads coming in perform the way Phil seems to think they will and as to Morais I can see why the club would let him go if his wage was high or he wanted more than a year because he's past 30 and in all likelihood wouldn't command much of a fee if any should it become necessary to offload him later.

I think you are misunderstanding me Peter perhaps?

I was talking about the signing of Oztumer when I talked about 'market rate'.

If he had received interest from other clubs - and we are led to believe he did - then clearly he would know what the others were offering in wages and we must have been there or thereabouts in our offer, otherwise he would not have given us not much consideration of signing for us. Therefore we must have offered the current going rate (or better) in wages for him to be here with us.

The only player on our books with 'stupid' wages is now only Ben Amos, and he is purposely loaned out from the club to avoid club house upset.



Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
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@Boggersbelief wrote:MORAIS was shite, played half decent for a few months when he first joined but as I expected that new club bounce didn't last, let's not forget he couldn't even break into Bradford's team before he left them. Glad we've cut him loose, we need better and will get better

You've just embarrassed yourself again Boggers.

Morais is the main reason we got promoted, and if he'd played more last season I think we'd have avoided the last day heroics. Again, he was pivotal in that Forest game, driving on the right hand side with Little.

Next you'll be telling us Twatface is brilliant. Oh, you already did.

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Nat Lofthouse
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Deary deary me, it's a good job the club has people like me and Ken Anderson around. We realise what's needed and who's good enough to take the club forward, another superb decision from the chairman. If it was up to you Nat we'd still be offering over the hill average players 20k a week

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
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@Boggersbelief wrote:Deary deary me, it's a good job the club has people like me and Ken Anderson around.

We're very thankful Boggers, what would we do without you?

By the way, when is Victor putting pen to paper?

Boggersbelief

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Nat Lofthouse
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When he can be arsed

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Nat Lofthouse
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:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
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I once met Ken Morley in a wine bar. Nice fella.

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Nat Lofthouse
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@Natasha Whittam wrote:I once met Ken Morley in a wine bar. Nice fella.
Well he is from Chorley. Very Happy

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Frank Worthington
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@Sluffy wrote:
@luckyPeterpiper wrote:The 'going rate' may well be less than we were paying some of these guys though sluffy. Don't forget quite a few of them were holdovers from Dougie and Neil's days. I suspect what's happening is two things. First we're looking to trim the wage bill and second, we're replacing certain players with guys Phil thinks have more to offer and are younger with a concommitant reduction in costs and a potential increase in resale value down the road. I hope the lads coming in perform the way Phil seems to think they will and as to Morais I can see why the club would let him go if his wage was high or he wanted more than a year because he's past 30 and in all likelihood wouldn't command much of a fee if any should it become necessary to offload him later.

I think you are misunderstanding me Peter perhaps?

I was talking about the signing of Oztumer when I talked about 'market rate'.

If he had received interest from other clubs - and we are led to believe he did - then clearly he would know what the others were offering in wages and we must have been there or thereabouts in our offer, otherwise he would not have given us not much consideration of signing for us.  Therefore we must have offered the current going rate (or better) in wages for him to be here with us.

The only player on our books with 'stupid' wages is now only Ben Amos, and he is purposely loaned out from the club to avoid club house upset.



Fair enough mate but since I rate Oztumer anyway I don't mind if he is on bigger money than some of the players we've released. What I meant to say (obviously not clearly enough because I didn't think it all the way through) is that the target seems to be that the net wage bill for next season will be lower than this in total. I also suspect that we'll mainly sign kids who potentially have a resale value that brings a profit if they work out as opposed to a whole slew of older players who even if they're on peanuts wouldn't have a potential transfer value later.

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@luckyPeterpiper wrote:Fair enough mate but since I rate Oztumer anyway I don't mind if he is on bigger money than some of the players we've released. What I meant to say (obviously not clearly enough because I didn't think it all the way through) is that the target seems to be that the net wage bill for next season will be lower than this in total. I also suspect that we'll mainly sign kids who potentially have a resale value that brings a profit if they work out as opposed to a whole slew of older players who even if they're on peanuts wouldn't have a potential transfer value later.

We've signed most of the players we still have left whilst being under the embargo, so our wage bill for them won't be vast.  At the same time though we've released the majority of players too, who (like Morais) were also signed under the embargo - so again we aren't 'cutting' players to save money on wages - we're pretty much down the bottom of the Championship wage bill as was I suspect (Amos wage of around £950,000 pa. apart).

However we did lose two of the big wage earners with Derik and Dervite leaving.

So what I'm attempting to say is that we aren't looking to lower the wage bill which seems to be your view - unless we simply don't build the squad back up again - and if that is the case we can't possibly stay up - and if that really is the case why have we gone out of our way to sign Lowe and Oztumer?

To me it simply means that the ownership/management realises that the squad we had last season wouldn't be able to stay up in the new season and are simply taking the opportunity of strengthening it so we do.

Obviously money is a factor in doing this so decisions not to resign players like Morais (if they aren't going to be featuring much this coming season) are being taken.

As for putting faith in youngsters - which is trotted out season by season by many, many people - the facts simply don't back up people's unrealistic opinions of how good they are.

For instance our star development squad player from last year Alex Samizadeh and for the year before, Jamie Thomas, have both been released (as not being good enough) by Kilmarnock and Burnley respectively.

Very, very few kids go on to make it.  Yes there's always one that does - but thousands simply don't.

Anderson/Parkinson will be working within a limited budget to strengthen the squad to make it competitive enough to stay up next season.

It's as simple as that to explain what is going on with whom we have released and who we will be signing, in my opinion.

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Frank Worthington
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I think you misunderstood me this time mate. When I talk about younger players I don't mean 18 or 19 year olds who might turn out to be decent in four or five years. I'm talking about players in their early to mid 20's who for one reason or another aren't wanted/needed by their current club but have at least some proven ability. My overall guess is that Ken and Phil are trying to recruit for less (if possible) but that the overriding consideration will be to (a) survive in this division and (b) go with short-ish contracts that mean they won't cost a fortune to release if needed but can be offered an extension with a concommitant rise in potential resale value if they work out as well as the club hopes. I've noticed that the players we've signed thus far have two year deals rather than four or five which suggests to me that the club is hedging its bets on the one hand while the players themselves may want to see where we're headed before committing to a longer deal.

In truth I don't fully understand everything that's going on behind the scenes at the club but from where I sit we don't seem to have a great many options either way. I believe if we can improve on last season and show both the players who've joined us and potential investors that we're going the right way then next summer should be a lot better for us in terms of ability to recruit a squad that's genuinely competitive in both strength and depth. For now it looks to me like we're in a sort of 'holding' pattern where we're keeping the number of players the same or thereabouts as last season and hoping to get an increase in quality but not a huge leap forward thanks to the money situation.

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@luckyPeterpiper wrote:I think you misunderstood me this time mate. When I talk about younger players I don't mean 18 or 19 year olds who might turn out to be decent in four or five years. I'm talking about players in their early to mid 20's who for one reason or another aren't wanted/needed by their current club but have at least some proven ability. My overall guess is that Ken and Phil are trying to recruit for less (if possible) but that the overriding consideration will be to (a) survive in this division and (b) go with short-ish contracts that mean they won't cost a fortune to release if needed but can be offered an extension with a concommitant rise in potential resale value if they work out as well as the club hopes. I've noticed that the players we've signed thus far have two year deals rather than four or five which suggests to me that the club is hedging its bets on the one hand while the players themselves may want to see where we're headed before committing to a longer deal.

In truth I don't fully understand everything that's going on behind the scenes at the club but from where I sit we don't seem to have a great many options either way. I believe if we can improve on last season and show both the players who've joined us and potential investors that we're going the right way then next summer should be a lot better for us in terms of ability to recruit a squad that's genuinely competitive in both strength and depth. For now it looks to me like we're in a sort of 'holding' pattern where we're keeping the number of players the same or thereabouts as last season and hoping to get an increase in quality but not a huge leap forward thanks to the money situation.

I'm still not fully understanding what you are saying Peter?

We've not issued any player contracts for lengths of over two years since the Eddie Davies/Phil Gartside 'stupid contract issuing' era.

We have no money to speak of to buy players so we have no choice but to look for potential in other teams cast-offs (such as Lowe) or decent players in the past who are now over the hill (such as Wilbraham was).

We certainly aren't going to be giving these players 5 year contracts just on the off-chance that they turn into world beaters.

Players are on contracts and we certainly don't have the money to buy their contracts up if we don't want them anymore - that's why we had Chris Taylor at the club last season who never played a game for us. We aren't going to be able to buy any players contracts out until we get another owner who throws the cash about as Gartside did with Eddie's.

We are where we are.

Forest are buying £12 million players, Leeds have just appointed a former Argentine national manager and we are looking at Birmingham cast offs and Walsall's star player.

That's not to say I'm defeatist about things - I'm not, I think with an astute owner in Anderson and a pragmatic manager in Parkinson we will continue to survive and go forward - just that it won't be easy - or pretty!

No doubt the usual suspects will demand Anderson and Parkinson's heads throughout the season - and I'm more worried that they might get their wish one day, only to find the grass isn't always greener on the other side!




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Frank Worthington
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Sluffy and others please forgive my fuzzy typing today. I took my meds a couple of hours ago and I'm trying to think straight but my brain feels like its wrapped in cotton wool or something. I guess what I meant by the shorter contracts is that it gives both sides an easy 'out' if things don't work out as quickly as we need them too. What worries me about that is if we do unearth a 'hidden gem' then we could wind up losing him for nothing or peanuts but I suppose that's not very likely so the club is playing it safe which is all they can do right now. Personally I think Ken's doing fine with the cards he's got and while Phil might not be the world's most exciting manager he's at least got a practical mindset about who we are and what's genuinely acheivable.

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