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1 Legalise it? on Tue Jun 19 2018, 11:29

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Famous Tory pothead William Hague calls for legalisation of weed.

Love it or loathe it, cannabis is back in the headlines over the Billy Caldwell case, which is ironic inasmuch that the UK is the world's biggest exporter of cannabis products and North America is our biggest market, yet it's still illegal to use it here.

Add to that the fact that the multi billion pound recreational cannabis industry is controlled by criminals - who get all the profits and pay no taxes - there is surely a strong case for legalisation and the resultant control and tax income.

How long is the Government prepared to continue failing to control the industry and collect the much-needed tax income whilst simultaneously depriving ill people the medicine they need just to satisfy outmoded and ill-informed Victorian values?

IMO it should be legalised, controlled and taxed and the fact that it has health issues for a minority of people should be considered acceptable risk given that the potential downside is nowhere near as bad as alcohol.

2 Re: Legalise it? on Tue Jun 19 2018, 11:40

Norpig

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Nat Lofthouse
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I agree Lusty but i would draw the line at some of the super strength skunk and other varieties that's around as they can cause real issues with mental health. Trouble is people will always want something stronger so that would still come from illegal sources.

3 Re: Legalise it? on Tue Jun 19 2018, 12:48

okocha

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Tony Kelly
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@wanderlust wrote:
IMO it should be legalised, controlled and taxed and the fact that it has health issues for a minority of people should be considered acceptable risk given that the potential downside is nowhere near as bad as alcohol.
Ah....you wouldn't say that if, as I have,  you had a relative who tried cannabis just once and is now schizophrenic as a result. The effect on him and his family is catastrophic. 

A friend of mine is a clinical psychologist who tells me that it is well known in his professional circles that psychosis is a very common and much under-estimated outcome of dabbling with cannabis.

4 Re: Legalise it? on Tue Jun 19 2018, 13:37

xmiles

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Ivan Campo
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@okocha wrote:
@wanderlust wrote:
IMO it should be legalised, controlled and taxed and the fact that it has health issues for a minority of people should be considered acceptable risk given that the potential downside is nowhere near as bad as alcohol.
Ah....you wouldn't say that if, as I have,  you had a relative who tried cannabis just once and is now schizophrenic as a result. The effect on him and his family is catastrophic. 

A friend of mine is a clinical psychologist who tells me that it is well known in his professional circles that psychosis is a very common and much under-estimated outcome of dabbling with cannabis.

okocha tragic as it is that your relative was affected in this way I don't think this undermines the points that WL makes in his original post. It is a simple fact that the "war on drugs" has been a expensive and total failure - similar in many ways to the American attempt at prohibition.

If cannabis is legalised it will be controlled in the same way as alcohol and the strength of it regulated. Some people become alcoholics but I don't think this justifies banning alcohol for everyone. Do you think it should be banned?

And as for the government taking away medicinal cannabis needed by some epilepsy sufferers when it is legal in many other countries, surely you agree that this is wrong.

5 Re: Legalise it? on Tue Jun 19 2018, 14:16

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
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@xmiles wrote:
@okocha wrote:
@wanderlust wrote:
IMO it should be legalised, controlled and taxed and the fact that it has health issues for a minority of people should be considered acceptable risk given that the potential downside is nowhere near as bad as alcohol.
Ah....you wouldn't say that if, as I have,  you had a relative who tried cannabis just once and is now schizophrenic as a result. The effect on him and his family is catastrophic. 

A friend of mine is a clinical psychologist who tells me that it is well known in his professional circles that psychosis is a very common and much under-estimated outcome of dabbling with cannabis.

okocha tragic as it is that your relative was affected in this way I don't think this undermines the points that WL makes in his original post. It is a simple fact that the "war on drugs" has been a expensive and total failure - similar in many ways to the American attempt at prohibition.

If cannabis is legalised it will be controlled in the same way as alcohol and the strength of it regulated. Some people become alcoholics but I don't think this justifies banning alcohol for everyone. Do you think it should be banned?

And as for the government taking away medicinal cannabis needed by some epilepsy sufferers when it is legal in many other countries, surely you agree that this is wrong.
It is tragic Okocha and I have a son who has mental health problems that are likely to have been activated by weed, but there are massive differences in the chemical make up of people and so statistically some people will be damaged by taking on board almost any substance. 
The Government may be protective of the alcohol industry because of the income and the strength of the alcohol lobby but a clearer example of double standards is hard to come by, especially when every scientific report on the matter confirms that cannabis is substantially less damaging than alcohol.
This report concludes:
* 30k deaths directly from alcohol in the USA in one year v Zero deaths from weed. That figure excludes alcohol-related accidents and homicides.
* Marijuana is less addictive than alcohol
* Weed can increase your heart rate which may increase the risk of heart failure whilst moderate alcohol consumption may reduce heart rate, however there are no reported cases of cardiac arrest directly related to weed
* Alcohol is related to several types of cancer whilst weed is not
* Both drugs are linked with risks in driving but alcohol is worse
* Several studies link alcohol with violence, especially domestic violence, but weed is not
* Both alcohol and weed are linked to potential mental health problems - depression and anxiety for alcohol users, schizophrenia and psychosis for weed users
* Overall, neither drug is good for you but the risk of problems are greater with alcohol.

When you add the economic and control angle it does seem on balance that if alcohol is legal so too should weed be, however the booze industry is so powerful - and perceives weed as a competitor - that the Government is protecting them.

6 Re: Legalise it? on Tue Jun 19 2018, 16:20

xmiles

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Ivan Campo
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@wanderlust wrote:
@xmiles wrote:
@okocha wrote:
@wanderlust wrote:
IMO it should be legalised, controlled and taxed and the fact that it has health issues for a minority of people should be considered acceptable risk given that the potential downside is nowhere near as bad as alcohol.
Ah....you wouldn't say that if, as I have,  you had a relative who tried cannabis just once and is now schizophrenic as a result. The effect on him and his family is catastrophic. 

A friend of mine is a clinical psychologist who tells me that it is well known in his professional circles that psychosis is a very common and much under-estimated outcome of dabbling with cannabis.

okocha tragic as it is that your relative was affected in this way I don't think this undermines the points that WL makes in his original post. It is a simple fact that the "war on drugs" has been a expensive and total failure - similar in many ways to the American attempt at prohibition.

If cannabis is legalised it will be controlled in the same way as alcohol and the strength of it regulated. Some people become alcoholics but I don't think this justifies banning alcohol for everyone. Do you think it should be banned?

And as for the government taking away medicinal cannabis needed by some epilepsy sufferers when it is legal in many other countries, surely you agree that this is wrong.
It is tragic Okocha and I have a son who has mental health problems that are likely to have been activated by weed, but there are massive differences in the chemical make up of people and so statistically some people will be damaged by taking on board almost any substance. 
The Government may be protective of the alcohol industry because of the income and the strength of the alcohol lobby but a clearer example of double standards is hard to come by, especially when every scientific report on the matter confirms that cannabis is substantially less damaging than alcohol.
This report concludes:
* 30k deaths directly from alcohol in the USA in one year v Zero deaths from weed. That figure excludes alcohol-related accidents and homicides.
* Marijuana is less addictive than alcohol
* Weed can increase your heart rate which may increase the risk of heart failure whilst moderate alcohol consumption may reduce heart rate, however there are no reported cases of cardiac arrest directly related to weed
* Alcohol is related to several types of cancer whilst weed is not
* Both drugs are linked with risks in driving but alcohol is worse
* Several studies link alcohol with violence, especially domestic violence, but weed is not
* Both alcohol and weed are linked to potential mental health problems - depression and anxiety for alcohol users, schizophrenia and psychosis for weed users
* Overall, neither drug is good for you but the risk of problems are greater with alcohol.

When you add the economic and control angle it does seem on balance that if alcohol is legal so too should weed be, however the booze industry is so powerful - and perceives weed as a competitor - that the Government is protecting them.

To add to that list, look at the impact of alcohol on crime: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwikzdn2guDbAhVhJsAKHZIzAwkQFghCMAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.alcoholrehabguide.org%2Falcohol%2Fcrimes%2F&usg=AOvVaw2REcuYwjYIdwNKke_8QzhA

7 Re: Legalise it? on Wed Jun 20 2018, 20:42

Boggersbelief

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Nat Lofthouse
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@okocha wrote:
@wanderlust wrote:
IMO it should be legalised, controlled and taxed and the fact that it has health issues for a minority of people should be considered acceptable risk given that the potential downside is nowhere near as bad as alcohol.
Ah....you wouldn't say that if, as I have,  you had a relative who tried cannabis just once and is now schizophrenic as a result. The effect on him and his family is catastrophic. 

A friend of mine is a clinical psychologist who tells me that it is well known in his professional circles that psychosis is a very common and much under-estimated outcome of dabbling with cannabis.

It’s always you. Bore the fuck off

8 Re: Legalise it? on Wed Jun 20 2018, 20:54

karlypants

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Nat Lofthouse
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@Boggersbelief wrote:
@okocha wrote:
@wanderlust wrote:
IMO it should be legalised, controlled and taxed and the fact that it has health issues for a minority of people should be considered acceptable risk given that the potential downside is nowhere near as bad as alcohol.
Ah....you wouldn't say that if, as I have,  you had a relative who tried cannabis just once and is now schizophrenic as a result. The effect on him and his family is catastrophic. 

A friend of mine is a clinical psychologist who tells me that it is well known in his professional circles that psychosis is a very common and much under-estimated outcome of dabbling with cannabis.

It’s always you. Bore the fuck off
Wow! Not sure where that has come from Boggers! Shocked

9 Re: Legalise it? on Thu Jun 21 2018, 21:28

okocha

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Tony Kelly
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Boggers:- I genuinely hope that neither you, nor anyone close to you, ever suffers from a distressing mental illness. I presume you have someone you really care about.

I'm also really sorry that you carry such irrational, self-destructive enmity inside you. Seek some counselling. I would offer you therapy myself, but I doubt that you'd be receptive.

10 Re: Legalise it? on Thu Jun 21 2018, 21:34

T.R.O.Y


Andy Walker
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My understanding is that psychosis is a known affect of cannabis if: abused for a long period of time or it can exacerbate any underlying or existing mental issue a user may have.

I’ve seen psychosis in family friends (not cannabis related), so I do sympathise Okocha - but one dabbling of cannabis alone simply would not be the cause of this.

11 Re: Legalise it? on Thu Jun 21 2018, 21:37

Boggersbelief

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Nat Lofthouse
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@okocha wrote:Boggers:- I genuinely hope that neither you, nor anyone close to you, ever suffers from a distressing mental illness. I presume you have someone you really care about.

I'm also really sorry that you carry such irrational, self-destructive enmity inside you. Seek some counselling. I would offer you therapy myself, but I doubt that you'd be receptive.

You need to get off your high horse, you’re so PC and judgemental it knocks me sick.

I doubt a bit of cannabis is the main reason for mental illness, it’s more likely that those people are already pre disposed to mental illness.

12 Re: Legalise it? on Thu Jun 21 2018, 21:57

Bollotom2014

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Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
I reckon legalising it will ensure safety and purity...and 70% tax for the gubbment.

13 Re: Legalise it? on Thu Jun 21 2018, 23:09

xmiles

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Ivan Campo
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okocha do you think alcohol should be made illegal?

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