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31 Re: Time for Anderson to deliver on Tue Jul 17 2018, 10:40

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
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Sluffy you massive gobshite, comparing Holden to Mavies is a fucking insult.

Holden was a fantastic player, I would suggest he had the potential to go on and be world class, he really was brilliant. His career was ruined by one "tackle".

On the other hand, Mavies contributed fuck all to BWFC and picked up injuries like they were Haribo sweets.

32 Re: Time for Anderson to deliver on Tue Jul 17 2018, 11:25

wanderlust

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So it's everyone's bonus then and not just Ben Amos?

I read a statement the other day where Anderson said it was just him?

Iles broke the news saying that wages and bonuses had not been paid but it turned out that all wages had been paid apart from Amos (for June only) and that although bonuses where not paid on time they were apparently going to be paid in on the Friday whereas the players wanted in the bank so they could withdraw it out on the Friday and said they would strike if they didn't get their way. (And you know what the players thought how? Evidence please)

Anderson apparently didn't take too well to the threat (what threat? made by whom, when and how? show us the evidence) and must have called their bluff (must have? is that speculation or fact?) (presumably knowing that they couldn't officially call a strike in the time between them indicating they would initial strike action and actually do so) but the players went on strike anyway, and told Iles to print their statement to the world (what evidence is there that the players told a journalist what to print?) instead of dealing with the issues in-house.

As a consequence it seems to have fucked up any incoming signings (apart from a Polish fullback) for now - not the smartest move with the transfer deadline window about to shut in about two weeks. (so your blaming poor recruitment on the players who didn't breach their contracts and not Anderson who did?? And then implying they're dumb?)

As a consequence of the players unofficial strike action (just to keep it tidy, show us the evidence that the strike was a) unofficial - and b) that the players have no right to strike without it being "official") it has dragged in their union (the PFA) and the EFL (the ones that give out embargos).  I can say it was a direct result of the high profile strike simply because neither of them were knocking on Anderson's door before they went on unofficial strike and having Iles telling the world that they were! Yes you can say that, but it's both unfair and misleading as the problem was Anderson not knocking on the players' door to forewarn them that he was about to breach contract in the first place - unless you can provide the evidence to show that Anderson acted properly)

Stupid unnecessary action by the players (evidence?) that could potentially ruin our whole season - which could have easily been dealt with and resolved behind closed doors. (the evidence is that ANDERSON broke contract, not the players so if resolving it "behind closed doors" is so important, show us the evidence that Anderson established a dialogue with the players before, during and after his breach of contract. It was in his court to forewarn the players that he would not be paying them)

They might be millionaires but they certainly aren't the brightest!

(Bit like you really. Difference is they don't claim to be)
I know you are full of shit Sluffy, but now it seems you are resorting to lies and hearsay in order to shift the responsibility away from Anderson whereas previously you just twisted words and interpretations to create an argument. Hoping I'm wrong but I have to call you out this time so just to give you the opportunity to prove you are not the total bullshitter I think you are, please provide the factual evidence for the highlighted claims you make above  or STFU and stop trying to lecture people about what you imagine the truth looks like.

I appreciate that you may have once been an office junior on a big contract (although with your appalling verbal reasoning skills and inability to spell common words in the English language I'm not sure how you held down that gig for long) but it doesn't give you the right to pontificate on the basis of hearsay or "how you'd like the world to be".

Evidence now or shut it.

33 Re: Time for Anderson to deliver on Tue Jul 17 2018, 11:46

Natasha Whittam

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Evidence now or shut it.

Fook me, there's going to be a 100,000 word retort.

34 Re: Time for Anderson to deliver on Tue Jul 17 2018, 12:02

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Evidence now or shut it.

Fook me, there's going to be a 100,000 word retort.
Let me know when he's finished.
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35 Re: Time for Anderson to deliver on Tue Jul 17 2018, 12:08

Boggersbelief

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I won’t have a bad word said about Holden

36 Re: Time for Anderson to deliver on Tue Jul 17 2018, 12:08

BoltonTillIDie

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Shots Fired

::bigmachinegun:: :shootinggun:

37 Re: Time for Anderson to deliver on Tue Jul 17 2018, 12:25

wanderlust

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Evidence now or shut it.

Fook me, there's going to be a 100,000 word retort.
Let me know when he's finished.
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"But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother "[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] (fool)" shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire." 

38 Re: Time for Anderson to deliver on Tue Jul 17 2018, 13:50

BoltonTillIDie

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Meeting starts at 2PM

39 Re: Time for Anderson to deliver on Tue Jul 17 2018, 14:26

Boggersbelief

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Meeting starts at 2PM

Time does sluffys response end?

40 Re: Time for Anderson to deliver on Tue Jul 17 2018, 15:06

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3:05pm... Do we still have a club (with players)?

41 Re: Time for Anderson to deliver on Tue Jul 17 2018, 15:14

Sluffy

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I appreciate that you may have once been an office junior on a big contract (although with your appalling verbal reasoning skills and inability to spell common words in the English language I'm not sure how you held down that gig for long) but it doesn't give you the right to pontificate on the basis of hearsay or "how you'd like the world to be".

Evidence now or shut it.

Dear God you are an absolute moron.

Players wanted money in their accounts on Friday - The Championship retention bonuses and loyalty fees were planned and authorised to  the bank for payment on Friday. .However, the players gave me an ultimatum that unless these sums were received on Friday they would not take part in the game planned for Saturday against St Mirren.

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Anderson received a threat -
Having personally assisted in funding many of the payments for the players’ salaries, for the majority of the time that l have been involved with the club, I was not prepared to be threatened or blackmailed.

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Players give statement of strike for Iles to print - A statement issued from the squad via The Bolton News this evening states...

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Any strike is unofficial unless it complies with outlined legal process -

Industrial action happens when trade union members are in a dispute with their employers that can’t be solved through negotiations.
A trade union can only call for industrial action if a majority of its members involved support it in a properly organised postal vote - called a ‘ballot’.
Before organising a ballot, a union must decide which members affected by a dispute it wants to ask to take industrial action. It must tell all members entitled to vote and the employer what the ballot results were.
A trade union calls industrial action by telling members and the employer when and how this action will be taken. This should be done by a trade union official or committee that has the legal right to do so. Your voting paper must have said who this is.

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Industrial action happens when trade union members are in a dispute with their employers that can’t be solved through negotiations. - clearly that didn't happen because on the Tuesday AFTER the strike we hear this -

PFA called in to mediate as Bolton pay row continues.

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So we've clearly established that whoever may have started the dispute (obviously Anderson if he has not paid the players what they are contractually due on time) the correct legal procedure was for this issue to be resolved by negotiations by the players trade union and only then if these negotiations fail that a legal process of calling strike action (by postal balloting of their members) and officially notifying the employer of the results and informing him of strike dates (not we are giving you less than 24 hours warning we aren't playing tomorrow!) simply did not happen and the players clearly went on unofficial strike and announced the fact to Iles to print.

As for the consequences of this, we were clearly signing players up to the strike and non (apart from the Pole who I can only assume we completed the signing of before the EFL got involved following the unofficial strike being made public?) and non since -

Adams said: “Bolton are in a situation where I don’t think they can sign any players at this moment in time.”

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Seems abundantly clear to me (and most other reasonably minded people) that an internal dispute was escalated by the players without going through the due legal processes to call an unofficial strike and had it made public via Iles.

It is this action (and not the initial unpaid bonus dispute) that has triggered both the EPL and PFA involvement - and seemingly a player embargo - right when we need one the least.

Not really a hard timeline to follow and understand - unless of course you are consumed with hatred for the owner and those like myself who don't seem to think Anderson is doing not to bad a job at all.

Try dealing with the facts in future and not the voices you clearly hear all the time in your head.

42 Re: Time for Anderson to deliver on Tue Jul 17 2018, 15:36

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:3:05pm... Do we still have a club (with players)?
The players are playing a friendly at Lostock, so who was involved in the meeting?

43 Re: Time for Anderson to deliver on Tue Jul 17 2018, 15:48

Sluffy

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:3:05pm... Do we still have a club (with players)?
The players are playing a friendly at Lostock, so who was involved in the meeting?

PFA, player reps, coaching staff reps and KA apparently according to Iles previous newspaper articles leading up to todays meeting.

44 Re: Time for Anderson to deliver on Tue Jul 17 2018, 15:54

Natasha Whittam

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Dear God you are an absolute moron.

Try dealing with the facts in future and not the voices you clearly hear all the time in your head.

I thought you were above name calling? Or is it not childish when you do it?

45 Re: Time for Anderson to deliver on Tue Jul 17 2018, 16:09

Sluffy

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Dear God you are an absolute moron.

Try dealing with the facts in future and not the voices you clearly hear all the time in your head.

I thought you were above name calling? Or is it not childish when you do it?

The word moron is only a posh way of calling someone stupid.

If you notice all the link references I posted up to confirm what I was saying (apart from the Gov UK one) they were ALL referenced to our site and thus all have been 'put on a plate' for Wanderlust to see and read in the past and which built up the timeline to what had actually taken place.  I've even referenced the Gov UK link on here during the course of events unravelling!

It's hard not to describe someone who has clearly ignored all these facts to be anything other than stupid.

Similarly to have deliberately ignored all these facts and composed his own narrative of what he believes happened instead could only have come from inside his own head.

I would however consider drivel such as this to be childish in the extreme -

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I appreciate that you may have once been an office junior on a big contract (although with your appalling verbal reasoning skills and inability to spell common words in the English language I'm not sure how you held down that gig for long) but it doesn't give you the right to pontificate on the basis of hearsay or "how you'd like the world to be".

Evidence now or shut it.

There is a clear and distinct difference between the two sets of comments from Wanderlust and myself, the former being acrimonious and the latter being fair comment.

46 Re: Time for Anderson to deliver on Tue Jul 17 2018, 16:13

Norpig

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Can we get Sluffy and Lusty in one of those white collar boxing matches? I'm sure KP can sort out streaming it to Nuts TV.

47 Re: Time for Anderson to deliver on Tue Jul 17 2018, 16:56

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Tony Kelly
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Ken Anderson pulled out of the meeting.

48 Re: Time for Anderson to deliver on Tue Jul 17 2018, 16:56

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Seems Andersons pulled out of his meeting with the PFA and sent Paul Aldridge instead.

49 Re: Time for Anderson to deliver on Tue Jul 17 2018, 16:59

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Tony Kelly
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Meeting hasn't happened yet. It's later this evening.

50 Re: Time for Anderson to deliver on Tue Jul 17 2018, 17:18

Natasha Whittam

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:The word moron is only a posh way of calling someone stupid.


Oh right, so it's ok to name call as long as we do it the posh way, you gargantuan buffoon.

51 Re: Time for Anderson to deliver on Tue Jul 17 2018, 17:20

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Ken Anderson pulled out of the meeting.
That doesn't bode well, people don't usually go hiding when it's good news.

52 Re: Time for Anderson to deliver on Tue Jul 17 2018, 17:30

Sluffy

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Seems Andersons pulled out of his meeting with the PFA and sent Paul Aldridge instead.

Nothing at all unusual about this.

People seem to forget that the players are contracted to the club and not to KA, and as such if a club employee has the authority to make the required decisions then there is absolutely no reason for Anderson to fly in from Switzerland just to do exactly what Aldridge will be doing.

No doubt Aldridge is fully briefed on what he can say and offer and what he can't before he goes into the meeting.

53 Re: Time for Anderson to deliver on Tue Jul 17 2018, 17:46

boltonbonce

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My boss sent his number two to a meeting once, and he'd been well briefed on what had to be done and said.
He made a right balls of it.
Anderson should be there. If only out of respect for the process.

54 Re: Time for Anderson to deliver on Tue Jul 17 2018, 17:47

Natasha Whittam

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:My boss sent his number two to a meeting once, and he'd been well briefed on what had to be done and said.

Were you his number 2? You always strike me as a bit of a number 2.

55 Re: Time for Anderson to deliver on Tue Jul 17 2018, 17:49

boltonbonce

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:My boss sent his number two to a meeting once, and he'd been well briefed on what had to be done and said.

Were you his number 2? You always strike me as a bit of a number 2.
No,his number two was his brother. He should have known better.

I was his number ten.

56 Re: Time for Anderson to deliver on Tue Jul 17 2018, 17:49

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Sluffy and Lusty- you are both competent and interesting posters but please will you call it a day with your personal battle- because its getting really tedious for the rest of us. 

 Thanks

57 Re: Time for Anderson to deliver on Tue Jul 17 2018, 17:51

boltonbonce

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Sluffy and Lusty- you are both competent and interesting posters but please will you call it a day with your personal battle- because its getting really tedious for the rest of us. 

 Thanks
I agree. Get your slippers on. It'll have an instant effect. Calmness will descend from on high.

58 Re: Time for Anderson to deliver on Tue Jul 17 2018, 17:59

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Sluffy and Lusty- you are both competent and interesting posters but please will you call it a day with your personal battle- because its getting really tedious for the rest of us. 

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I agree. Get your slippers on. It'll have an instant effect. Calmness will descend from on high.
I hope you wear socks with your slippers Bonce to stop any stench coming from foot or slipper!

59 Re: Time for Anderson to deliver on Tue Jul 17 2018, 18:04

Natasha Whittam

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Sluffy and Lusty- you are both competent and interesting posters

Have you got concussion Rammy?

60 Re: Time for Anderson to deliver on Tue Jul 17 2018, 18:09

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Sluffy and Lusty- you are both competent and interesting posters but please will you call it a day with your personal battle- because its getting really tedious for the rest of us. 

 Thanks

I'm not the one regularly posting personally abusive shite like this -

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I know you are full of shit Sluffy, but now it seems you are resorting to lies and hearsay in order to shift the responsibility away from Anderson whereas previously you just twisted words and interpretations to create an argument. Hoping I'm wrong but I have to call you out this time so just to give you the opportunity to prove you are not the total bullshitter I think you are, please provide the factual evidence for the highlighted claims you make above or STFU [Shut The Fuck Up] and stop trying to lecture people about what you imagine the truth looks like.

I appreciate that you may have once been an office junior on a big contract (although with your appalling verbal reasoning skills and inability to spell common words in the English language I'm not sure how you held down that gig for long) but it doesn't give you the right to pontificate on the basis of hearsay or "how you'd like the world to be".

Evidence now or shut it.

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