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Why are we losing so many pubs.

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1Why are we losing so many pubs. Empty Why are we losing so many pubs. Tue Jun 17 2014, 18:21

Mr Brightside

Mr Brightside
Nicky Hunt
Nicky Hunt

My first topic hope its not been done before.
my brother lives in plymouth and between last year and now twenty two pubs have closed.
Whats going on? is it big tellys and cheap supermarket beer? or breweries getting too greedy? i love going in pubs and hate seeing one derelect.

2Why are we losing so many pubs. Empty Re: Why are we losing so many pubs. Tue Jun 17 2014, 18:46

BoltonTillIDie

BoltonTillIDie
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

The no smoking ban?

3Why are we losing so many pubs. Empty Re: Why are we losing so many pubs. Tue Jun 17 2014, 18:56

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

I tend to drink at home now.I made the mistake of going on a night out with some younger workmates last year and it put me right off. Dancing on tables,swearing,running down the street semi naked,covered in sick.How could they let that happen to me!!

4Why are we losing so many pubs. Empty Re: Why are we losing so many pubs. Tue Jun 17 2014, 19:03

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

I prefer cafes.

5Why are we losing so many pubs. Empty Re: Why are we losing so many pubs. Tue Jun 17 2014, 19:07

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Starbucks is my idea of a watering hole these days. Too many 'Theme' pubs now.

6Why are we losing so many pubs. Empty Re: Why are we losing so many pubs. Tue Jun 17 2014, 19:12

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Most folk have gone T-total now?  :biggrin:

7Why are we losing so many pubs. Empty Re: Why are we losing so many pubs. Tue Jun 17 2014, 19:15

aaron_bwfc

aaron_bwfc
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No smoking ban and shops like bargain booze where beer and spirits are cheap as chips.

Plus you're not in danger of getting your head kicked in by some stupid bastard in a town centre after a good night out.

8Why are we losing so many pubs. Empty Re: Why are we losing so many pubs. Tue Jun 17 2014, 19:17

bwfc71

bwfc71
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo

To be fair it is a mixture of things as to why pubs fail but to continue to blame the smoking ban is a joke considering the rate of closure in the last couple of years is far higher than when the ban was initially introduced.  Also as each country within the Kingdom have different laws  with regards to the smoking ban means that it isn't really a prominent factor especially as Wales and Scotland, who have a much lax law the pubs have closed at a faster rate.

What we need to see is why certain pubs are flourishing.   Firstly it is mainly the Freehold pubs and the Micro-brewery pubs that are flourishing or pubs that cater for certain markets (such as The Moses Gate or Dog & Partridge specialise in live indie/rock tribute bands). 

Micro-brewery owned (such as Bank Top's The Tap) are working well because they are a niche pub that are filling a gap which is wanted by many locals - decent local beer with good taste and also serving guest ales, very little, or no, music and they are not tied to conglomerate breweries who charge both heaven and earth for the beers and the rent.

9Why are we losing so many pubs. Empty Re: Why are we losing so many pubs. Tue Jun 17 2014, 19:18

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Used to love the Dun Mare in Little Hulton. Is it still going?

10Why are we losing so many pubs. Empty Re: Why are we losing so many pubs. Tue Jun 17 2014, 19:23

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boltonbonce wrote:Used to love the Dun Mare in Little Hulton. Is it still going?
Yep.

It's been up for sale for a couple of years and it's gone right down hill, if I'm honest.

Used to go in there a lot about ten years ago because Mrs B's family live nearby but haven't been in for a while.

Used to be a cracking pub at one time.

11Why are we losing so many pubs. Empty Re: Why are we losing so many pubs. Tue Jun 17 2014, 19:28

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

It was a good pub Bread. We used to start out the evening there,then move on to the Antelope,then the Shamrock and finish up at either the Stocks or the Cock.

12Why are we losing so many pubs. Empty Re: Why are we losing so many pubs. Tue Jun 17 2014, 19:29

bwfc71

bwfc71
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo

There is a pub right near where I work, in the heart of Q'ranburn, and the landlord is a Bolton fan!!!  So that is definitely a must go to when there is a match after work I want to watch!   - Brownhill Arms

13Why are we losing so many pubs. Empty Re: Why are we losing so many pubs. Tue Jun 17 2014, 20:14

Reebok Trotter

Reebok Trotter
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

bwfc71 wrote:There is a pub right near where I work, in the heart of Q'ranburn, and the landlord is a Bolton fan!!!  So that is definitely a must go to when there is a match after work I want to watch!   - Brownhill Arms

I have heard they do very decent pub grub at the Brownhill Arms but I haven't tried it yet.

14Why are we losing so many pubs. Empty Re: Why are we losing so many pubs. Tue Jun 17 2014, 20:19

doffcocker

doffcocker
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo

People need a good reason to go to the pub when things generally cost 3-4 times as much as they do in the supermarket.

I suppose economies of scale is big a factor too; there's a lot more pubs that are part of a chain now. The best example is a pub near me called Last Orders where you can get a pint of bitter for less than £2. It's always packed and a lot of the more independent pubs in the area can't compete, even though the bar staff are basically bastards.

15Why are we losing so many pubs. Empty Re: Why are we losing so many pubs. Tue Jun 17 2014, 20:21

Reebok Trotter

Reebok Trotter
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Until the greedy breweries drop their prices pubs will continue to close. Most rely on weekend trade to scrape by.

16Why are we losing so many pubs. Empty Re: Why are we losing so many pubs. Tue Jun 17 2014, 20:24

Soul Kitchen

Soul Kitchen
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo

bwfc71 wrote:To be fair it is a mixture of things as to why pubs fail but to continue to blame the smoking ban is a joke considering the rate of closure in the last couple of years is far higher than when the ban was initially introduced.  Also as each country within the Kingdom have different laws  with regards to the smoking ban means that it isn't really a prominent factor especially as Wales and Scotland, who have a much lax law the pubs have closed at a faster rate.

What we need to see is why certain pubs are flourishing.   Firstly it is mainly the Freehold pubs and the Micro-brewery pubs that are flourishing or pubs that cater for certain markets (such as The Moses Gate or Dog & Partridge specialise in live indie/rock tribute bands). 

Micro-brewery owned (such as Bank Top's The Tap) are working well because they are a niche pub that are filling a gap which is wanted by many locals - decent local beer with good taste and also serving guest ales, very little, or no, music and they are not tied to conglomerate breweries who charge both heaven and earth for the beers and the rent.


Spot on. Real ale is the way forward and the only beer in pubs with growing sales. Thanks CAMRA.

17Why are we losing so many pubs. Empty Re: Why are we losing so many pubs. Tue Jun 17 2014, 20:28

Soul Kitchen

Soul Kitchen
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo

Given the choice of Last Orders on Halliwell Rd and The Ainsworth at the top there's only one winner there.
One sells piss the other sells nectar!!!

18Why are we losing so many pubs. Empty Re: Why are we losing so many pubs. Tue Jun 17 2014, 20:34

Reebok Trotter

Reebok Trotter
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

You can't beat a good pint of Timothy Taylor's Landlord. Any pub that looks after their pumps will not go far wrong selling this marvellous tipple. Last night, I sampled the Bishops Finger on draught. It went down a treat.

19Why are we losing so many pubs. Empty Re: Why are we losing so many pubs. Tue Jun 17 2014, 20:54

Soul Kitchen

Soul Kitchen
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo

That's exactly what happens in The Ainsworth with Dunscar Bridge beer.
Landlord is top ale, not keen on Bishops Finger, but each to his or her own. 
Beer is like music, personal preference.

20Why are we losing so many pubs. Empty Re: Why are we losing so many pubs. Tue Jun 17 2014, 21:24

bwfc71

bwfc71
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo

Reebok Trotter wrote:
bwfc71 wrote:There is a pub right near where I work, in the heart of Q'ranburn, and the landlord is a Bolton fan!!!  So that is definitely a must go to when there is a match after work I want to watch!   - Brownhill Arms

I have heard they do very decent pub grub at the Brownhill Arms but I haven't tried it yet.

Not tried it myself, yet.  Mainly due to fact that we are not supposed to drink at lunch!!

Less than 5 mins walk from my office :-)

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