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1Wanderers want Wilder Empty Wanderers want Wilder on Wed Apr 13 2016, 21:46

Boggersbelief

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CHRIS Wilder has jumped to the top of Wanderers’ shortlist as the club weigh up their options for the vacant manager’s job.

The Bolton News understands the Northampton Town boss, who has recently guided the Cobblers to promotion from League Two, is wanted by the Whites.

Wilder has a rolling contract at Sixfields and would not command a large amount of compensation but the Yorkshireman is also wanted by Rotherham United as a replacement for Neil Warnock, who is expected to step down at the end of the season.

The 48-year-old worked at Bury as assistant manager in 2008 but then moved on to Oxford United, where he spent six years.

He led them back into the Football League before moving on to Northampton Town in 2014.

The alternate option to Wilder appears to be a partnership between Peter Reid – who has been with the club in a coaching capacity for the last few weeks – and former club captain Kevin Nolan.

Jimmy Phillips is also being strongly considered for a role in the new coaching set-up.

Reid is keen to stay on at Wanderers having returned to the club to assist Phillips last month.

And he could be used to mentor Nolan – whose first sample of management at Leyton Orient ended this week.

The 33-year-old has agreed to stay on at the League Two club in a playing capacity but is seeking a return to the North West.



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2Wanderers want Wilder Empty Re: Wanderers want Wilder on Wed Apr 13 2016, 21:59

MartinBWFC

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Doesn't fill me with a lot of hope this.

3Wanderers want Wilder Empty Re: Wanderers want Wilder on Thu Apr 14 2016, 01:52

doffcocker

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Ivan Campo
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I don't know much about the guy except that Northampton are already promoted automatically. Don't know what he's been working with there, no idea whether it makes him a good fit for us or not.

It would be just our luck to nick him and finish below Northampton next season though.

4Wanderers want Wilder Empty Re: Wanderers want Wilder on Thu Apr 14 2016, 09:27

gloswhite

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Jay Jay Okocha
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I'm not overly enthused about the Nolan, Reid, and Phillips partnership to be honest.

5Wanderers want Wilder Empty Re: Wanderers want Wilder on Thu Apr 14 2016, 09:48

Norpig

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Wilder seems to have done well wherever he has been particularly Northampton and Oxford, if he wants the job i would be happy to see him take it. What we can't keep doing is going back to old players or people with a link to the club just because of their history.

A completely new approach is needed and someone experienced at managing lower down the league and within a budget is a must and he ticks all the right boxes for me.

I've read some comments on the BN website from clowns saying he's only managed in league 2 and we should be looking at people like Nigel Pearson , these people are idiots

6Wanderers want Wilder Empty Re: Wanderers want Wilder on Thu Apr 14 2016, 10:39

FullofSprite


Nicolas Anelka
Nicolas Anelka
Chris Wilder


2001


Appointed Manager of Alfreton Town.  Wilder began his career in management at [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. He took over at the club in late October 2001 and in the 27 weeks he was in charge won four trophies: the Northern Counties (East) League Premier Division, the League Cup, the President's Cup and the Derbyshire Senior Cup.


2008 -2014


Appointed Oxford Manager half way through the season and gets them within a whisker of the play-offs. In his first full season in charge he gets them promoted by via the play offs to league 2. Steadies the ship in first full season in the 2nd division and in his next season gets Oxford within a whisker of the playoffs for the 1st division. 2014 leaves Oxford


2014 - 2016


Appointed Northampton manager who are bottom of the league and something like 20 points adrift of safety. Manages to keep them in division 2, despite Northampton being on the brink of liquidation (does this ring bells?) then goes on to not only win promotion with Northampton, but win the league.


Personal view


Think he deserves his chance. His record is as good as Allardyces was when Big Sam took over us. People think it was Big Sams connection with the club that made him successful, it wasn't! it was Big Sams experience in Ireland, and Blackpool, Preston and Notts County before he came to us. 


Wilder has done the hard miles of experience in the lower leagues and will have sorted his tactics and game plan out, whilst the likes of Coyle, Freedman and Lennon were still working out what to do in game situations. He will hopefully know where the bargains are, which big time premiership managers won't. 1st division is about graft and less about ponsie footballers.


So now you know why clubs are taking a look.


I'm surprised John Sheridan hasn't had a look in, and I'm also surprised Mickey Mellon hasn't had a look either.


Wilder would be a solid appointment, but we have competition with Rotherham United. 

7Wanderers want Wilder Empty Re: Wanderers want Wilder on Thu Apr 14 2016, 10:39

wanderlust


Nat Lofthouse
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In the East we get Northampton on the local news telly and Wilder is well respected and has done a great job on a relatively low budget.

However this process doesn't seem to be going very well with Deano and Anderson failing to agree a preference. They need to be careful otherwise they are going to scare off prospects before they sign up.

And we could really do with a manager rather than a committee.

8Wanderers want Wilder Empty Re: Wanderers want Wilder on Thu Apr 14 2016, 13:39

terenceanne

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El Hadji Diouf
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Deano:  We have been searching around the globe for managerial talent as befits a club of our size.
Ken:      Have you looked at the Spanish second division and Italian divisions etc.?
Deano:  Yes, but we found a bloke from Yorkshire who has done well with some pub teams.
Ken:      Is he cheap?
Deano:  Aye
Ken:     Get him signed then.
Deano: What do we tell the fans?
Ken:     Tell them we did due diligence on 50 applicants.
Deano: They will believe owt..... Razz

9Wanderers want Wilder Empty Re: Wanderers want Wilder on Thu Apr 14 2016, 17:42

FullofSprite


Nicolas Anelka
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Deano:  We have been searching around the globe for managerial talent as befits a club of our size.
Ken:      Have you looked at the Spanish second division and Italian divisions etc.?
Deano:  Yes, but we found a bloke from Yorkshire who has done well with some pub teams.
Ken:      Is he cheap?
Deano:  Aye
Ken:     Get him signed then.
Deano: What do we tell the fans?
Ken:     Tell them we did due diligence on 50 applicants.
Deano: They will believe owt..... Razz
You'll be upset if he goes to Rotherham and gets them promoted to the Premiership, whilst BWFC are languishing in the 2nd division.



Don't forget you could have said that about Allardyce

10Wanderers want Wilder Empty Re: Wanderers want Wilder on Thu Apr 14 2016, 17:52

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
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He won't go to Rotherham.

11Wanderers want Wilder Empty Re: Wanderers want Wilder on Thu Apr 14 2016, 18:03

FullofSprite


Nicolas Anelka
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:He won't go to Rotherham.
Hopefully not, but I'm just pointing out that BWFC fans can't see potential based on games managed. Seem to look at what team he played for or has he won the Premiership? We ain't  going to get a Premiership Manager and we don't want a player who has never managed and we certainly don't want a 'player manager. Job is too big for that

12Wanderers want Wilder Empty Re: Wanderers want Wilder on Thu Apr 14 2016, 18:09

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
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I was talking about Wilder.

I agree Nolan would be a disaster.

13Wanderers want Wilder Empty Re: Wanderers want Wilder on Thu Apr 14 2016, 18:12

FullofSprite


Nicolas Anelka
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I was talking about Wilder.

I agree Nolan would be a disaster.
I'm also talking about Wilder and BWFC fans, and BWFC

14Wanderers want Wilder Empty Re: Wanderers want Wilder on Thu Apr 14 2016, 18:20

Natasha Whittam

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I'm glad we've established what we're talking about.

15Wanderers want Wilder Empty Re: Wanderers want Wilder on Thu Apr 14 2016, 18:44

gloswhite

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Jay Jay Okocha
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Not much left to work with there FoS Very Happy

16Wanderers want Wilder Empty Re: Wanderers want Wilder on Thu Apr 14 2016, 18:53

scottjames30

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Nat Lofthouse
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It's like hearing Harold Shipman is your new GP.

17Wanderers want Wilder Empty Re: Wanderers want Wilder on Thu Apr 14 2016, 18:57

MartinBWFC

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Frank Worthington
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Wilder is now evens favourite

18Wanderers want Wilder Empty Re: Wanderers want Wilder on Thu Apr 14 2016, 18:59

Hipster_Nebula

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
someone must have lumped a 5er on.

19Wanderers want Wilder Empty Re: Wanderers want Wilder on Thu Apr 14 2016, 20:32

terenceanne

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Deano:  We have been searching around the globe for managerial talent as befits a club of our size.
Ken:      Have you looked at the Spanish second division and Italian divisions etc.?
Deano:  Yes, but we found a bloke from Yorkshire who has done well with some pub teams.
Ken:      Is he cheap?
Deano:  Aye
Ken:     Get him signed then.
Deano: What do we tell the fans?
Ken:     Tell them we did due diligence on 50 applicants.
Deano: They will believe owt..... Razz
You'll be upset if he goes to Rotherham and gets them promoted to the Premiership, whilst BWFC are languishing in the 2nd division.



Don't forget you could have said that about Allardyce

Obviously you must be fully versed with the in's & out's of Mr. Wilder since I can't see the "potential"...... I would suggest you know nowt...the same as the rest of us. 

Doogie & Coyle also had potential....on paper.

Allardyce was hired because he was cheap and had the old boy connection.....no one expected him to do well especially Eddie & Phil.

20Wanderers want Wilder Empty Re: Wanderers want Wilder on Thu Apr 14 2016, 21:06

Natasha Whittam

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:

Obviously you must be fully versed with the in's & out's of Mr. Wilder since I can't see the "potential"...... I would suggest you know nowt...the same as the rest of us. 

Doogie & Coyle also had potential....on paper.


You'd have to be a fool not to see potential in Wilder.

You seem to be suggesting if they're good on paper we should avoid them.

21Wanderers want Wilder Empty Re: Wanderers want Wilder on Thu Apr 14 2016, 21:14

terenceanne

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Obviously you must be fully versed with the in's & out's of Mr. Wilder since I can't see the "potential"...... I would suggest you know nowt...the same as the rest of us. 

Doogie & Coyle also had potential....on paper.


You'd have to be a fool not to see potential in Wilder.

You seem to be suggesting if they're good on paper we should avoid them.


I know nowt about Wilder ...... he seems to have some success in the lower leagues...... therefore he would be a hot commodity for Prem/Champs clubs ...... apparently not.  But ok for us then.

So are you officially saying he is the man for the job....and can we hold you to it in the season of abuse to come. ???

22Wanderers want Wilder Empty Re: Wanderers want Wilder on Thu Apr 14 2016, 22:11

Sluffy

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When Bury won promotion to Division 1 a few seasons back under Alan Knill, Wilder was his assistant.

Knill went on to leave Bury for Scunthorpe but had a poor spell in charge and Torquay thereafter.

Knill is currently Wilder's assistant at Northampton.

Wilder does seem to have been connected with a few teams having relative success at Division 2 (old 4th Division to us old ones) so it does seem as though he is competent at least at that level.

I guess we don't really have the luxury anymore of going after any manager we wanted (Megson, Coyle and Freedman were all at other clubs when we went after them - not that any of them were any good with us) so Wilder, if he is out of contract at the end of the season, may be as good as we can get.

I do like a manager who has been successful at more than one other English club as it is more likely that they have had some influence in that clubs success rather than being fortunate at being appointed at the right time to benefit from a previous managers groundwork.

Allardyce had successful spells with Blackpool and Notts County before we got him and he turned out alright for us!

I would be happy for Wilder to be given the chance to manage us, as he obviously has managed very well in the past with clubs that have very little if any money spare to spend.

My only concern - and this will face whichever manager we employ - is the culture we seem to have in the club of non professionalism and ill discipline from the players as evidenced with Madine seen on TV telling Lennon he was a "fucking prick", then club captain Spearing beering it up and having selfies of himself during an international break whilst we were close to relegation at the time, similarly with the recent Madine and a couple of others doing the same, plus the (overblown but at the same time unnecessary and unprofessional behaviour) of Trotter and Wheater giving the finger.

Add to this the comments about then manager Freedman by Clough and Vela on twitter a while back and more recently young Samizadeh apparently touting himself to Derby.

And I would imagine all that is only the tip of the iceberg regarding the behaviour and attitude of many players within the club manifesting itself in the lack of respect and professionalism shown to the club itself and its management, the long suffering paying fans and of course to themselves.

Hopefully in this respect we have reached rock bottom and now hopefully Wilder or whoever or next manager turns out to be can begin to put things right again on the playing side and hopefully Holdsworth and Anderson can do the same on the financial side too!

Fingers crossed anyway!





23Wanderers want Wilder Empty Re: Wanderers want Wilder on Fri Apr 15 2016, 22:16

Bwfc1958

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Obviously you must be fully versed with the in's & out's of Mr. Wilder since I can't see the "potential"...... I would suggest you know nowt...the same as the rest of us. 

Doogie & Coyle also had potential....on paper.


You'd have to be a fool not to see potential in Wilder.

You seem to be suggesting if they're good on paper we should avoid them.


I know nowt about Wilder 
Why so negative then? If you bother to do a bit of research on the bloke you might realise he's done a good job wherever he's been. All managers have to start somewhere and he's earning his right to move up the ladder. (No matter how shit you think we are we are definitely a bigger club than Northampton). It would be a very good appointment imo.

24Wanderers want Wilder Empty Re: Wanderers want Wilder on Sat Apr 16 2016, 08:30

Fabians Right Peg

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Like the sound of this guy, hungry to prove himself, experience of the lower leagues, playoffs and even a relegation scrap (god forbid).

25Wanderers want Wilder Empty Re: Wanderers want Wilder on Sat Apr 16 2016, 09:32

Biggie

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Please not Nolan or Reid. 

Reid is the man behind the decision to bring Heskey on instead of pace when we were down to ten men vs Reading.

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26Wanderers want Wilder Empty Re: Wanderers want Wilder on Sun Apr 17 2016, 12:54

luckyPeterpiper

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Much as I admire Kevin Nolan I believe appointing him as our manager would be a mistake. As a coach I think he'd be fine, maybe as number two to this Wilder chap in the same way Sammy Lee was Sam's number two but that's all. 

As to Peter Reid, I think if he's Director of Football that's one thing (I can support that) but the fact he is able to tell the (admittedly interim) manager of the team who to bring on as a substitute is just plain wrong in my opinion. A manager has to be left in sole charge of things like tactics, team selection and substitutions. I doubt any permanent manager worth his salt would tolerate being told by a director (or whatever Reidy's title is) who he should be bringing on or taking off during a match and I personally hope we don't see that happening ever again.

I don't know enough about Wilder to make an informed judgement about whether or not he's the right man for our club but I like what I have seen of his record to date. My fear is that our current off field situation is still so dire that even the best manager is going to be operating with at least one hand tied behind his back for the foreseeable future.

27Wanderers want Wilder Empty Re: Wanderers want Wilder on Sun Apr 17 2016, 15:34

wanderlust


Nat Lofthouse
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Can't believe it's 26 years since Reidy got the Manchester City manager job, but it is and he's still only 59. His record shows he's lost roughly a third of the games he's managed but I still wouldn't want him in any role that influenced the management of the team:










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28Wanderers want Wilder Empty Re: Wanderers want Wilder on Sun Apr 17 2016, 16:55

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Wilder was keen until he dug a little deeper into what he'd have to work with according to Nixon.

Now he's considerably less so......

29Wanderers want Wilder Empty Re: Wanderers want Wilder on Sun Apr 17 2016, 17:08

NickFazer

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He won't be in any rush to leave Northampton, he will weigh his options once the season ends. You would think that there would be at least 2 or 3 strong candidates from 50 applicants they have received.

30Wanderers want Wilder Empty Re: Wanderers want Wilder on Sun Apr 17 2016, 17:11

Natasha Whittam

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If he's offered the job he'll be here like a shot.

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