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271Economy watch - Page 10 Empty Re: Economy watch on Sun Sep 04 2016, 16:37

wanderlust


Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@NickFazer wrote:They also threatened something similar when we were were debating joining the Euro, pulling out if we didn't join the single currency. I imagine they feel the need to put some pressure on the UK government to retain access to the single market.
There's plenty of it about Nick, but we do need the single market in order to retain the inward investment of foreign companies that have set up their European bases here if only to secure the half a million jobs they currently provide us Brits with. Volume retail businesses like McDonald's and Starbuck's will stay here regardless because we're just fodder for them, but manufacturer's may think twice as their costs have rocketed especially when they are importing raw materials.
Here's the BBC take on how the negotiations at the G20 are going.

Basically all the world leaders are publicly saying we won't get an easy ride but obviously the politics/diplomatic overtures aren't necessarily going to be reflected in any actual deals we might enter into. And still we wait.....

272Economy watch - Page 10 Empty Re: Economy watch on Sun Sep 04 2016, 18:53

bwfc71

bwfc71
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
@NickFazer wrote:
@bwfc71 wrote:
@NickFazer wrote:Yes I agree that blocks of countries can cooperate in  all all manner of things more effectively than one nation by itself, I just don't think that you need to create a superstate with a single currency, a parliament, a commission, a president, several presidents actually and a court of justice to achieve it. Its a difficult road to go down, especially when the member nations are so culturally and  economically diverse.



So the US is a failure? Never mind Canada, China, Australia or even Germany which are countries made up of varying different "states"/countries that have joined together.


You could add to that the UK, Italy, Spain and Belgium, all of these in the past have been sovereign states or parts of different nations or various empires in the past. The difference is that they have some cultural or economic ties that makes the arrangement sensible and that they are relatively few in number or in size or are under the yoke of a military or (usually unpleasant) political regime. What the EU is trying to achieve is a bloc of nations that don't to any great degree share cultural or economic ties and impose shared values, justice system and economics. When it was 9 members (EEC) that politically and economically were similar and restricted the areas it concerned itself with you could argue that it was successful, I feel that it has overreached in expanding the number of members and in its integrationist ambitions.

What is the cultural tie between New Mexico (which was land bought from Mexico and they spoke Spanish and had same economy as Mexico) and Hawaii which was bought of us British when we were almost bankrupt due to the Empire bleeding us dry (which was British in nature, and for most part is still) or New York which was aa Dutch outpost until we traded Suriname for New Amsterdam, and what about current trends such as the Bible-Belt mid-West are they the same as New Jersey, or oil rich Texas or richest state of California, which has a GBP higher than many countries or what about the wastelands of the US were the desert - culturally they are all different but they all joined together to create a union - they all have their own laws as well as Federal Laws, they all have their own Parliaments as well as the Federal Parliament which we all know about - even the individual state economies are very different from farming economies to financial economies to oil economies.  And yet the US are not happy they want to influence the rest of the world with the "US" way of politics, and capitalism.

But these differences can also be seen in present day Canada which has to contend with the French speaking states, and then there is Australia were each state is different from each other and China that has so many different states and each state is different from each other again from farming in the rice fields to the mountainous regions that has a tourist economy to Hong Kong which is the richest part of Chin due to the finance industry!

273Economy watch - Page 10 Empty Re: Economy watch on Mon Sep 05 2016, 08:18

scottjames30

scottjames30
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Everything's looking good, all the lies and rubbish the remain camp sputtered out has yet to happen.

I think we're more respected around the world due to Brexit, Donald Trump said it was an amazing thing that the British people stood up to a failed EU.

274Economy watch - Page 10 Empty Re: Economy watch on Mon Sep 05 2016, 13:34

Guest


Guest
Teresa May backing out of the points based immigration pledge today.

I'm really struggling to see what Brexiters can claim to have gained from the referendum at this point.

275Economy watch - Page 10 Empty Re: Economy watch on Mon Sep 05 2016, 13:38

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
bwfc1874 wrote:Teresa May backing out of the points based immigration pledge today.

I'm really struggling to see what Brexiters can claim to have gained from the referendum at this point.
 
saw that and old Nigel is worried. The argument mentioned on the BBC report i read about there being more immigration in Australia under the points system doesn't make sense.

Australia is still under populated for such a massive country and they are still actively looking for skilled people to emigrate, so yes their immigration is bound to be higher.

276Economy watch - Page 10 Empty Re: Economy watch on Mon Sep 05 2016, 14:02

scottjames30

scottjames30
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Lets not turn our back on what the Majority voted for, eh.

277Economy watch - Page 10 Empty Re: Economy watch on Mon Sep 05 2016, 14:19

Guest


Guest
Think it's too late Scott, most of what 'The Majority' voted for seems to have been backed out of.

278Economy watch - Page 10 Empty Re: Economy watch on Mon Sep 05 2016, 14:23

scottjames30

scottjames30
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Farage will come back to sort them, I think they're still getting over the result.
We're still paying millions of tax payers money to the EU, so they better hurry the fuck up.

279Economy watch - Page 10 Empty Re: Economy watch on Mon Sep 05 2016, 14:27

wanderlust


Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@scottjames30 wrote:Lets not turn our back on what the Majority voted for, eh.
At the risk of repeating myself, what did they vote for Scott?

Nobody seems to agree what they voted for so if nobody knows what it is, how can anyone turn their back on it?

280Economy watch - Page 10 Empty Re: Economy watch on Mon Sep 05 2016, 14:42

scottjames30

scottjames30
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@wanderlust wrote:
@scottjames30 wrote:Lets not turn our back on what the Majority voted for, eh.
At the risk of repeating myself, what did they vote for Scott?

Nobody seems to agree what they voted for so if nobody knows what it is, how can anyone turn their back on it?
I voted for - to scrap the open door policy, Millions upon Millions of people can just come in from all of the four corners of Europe, we need to control Migration.

To stop paying 34 million pounds a day ( of tax payers money ) into the EU.

Let's just hope David Davis gets his points across for Brexit.

281Economy watch - Page 10 Empty Re: Economy watch on Mon Sep 05 2016, 19:30

wanderlust


Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@scottjames30 wrote:
@wanderlust wrote:
@scottjames30 wrote:Lets not turn our back on what the Majority voted for, eh.
At the risk of repeating myself, what did they vote for Scott?

Nobody seems to agree what they voted for so if nobody knows what it is, how can anyone turn their back on it?
I voted for - to scrap the open door policy, Millions upon Millions of people can just come in from all of the four corners of Europe, we need to control Migration.

To stop paying 34 million pounds a day ( of tax payers money ) into the EU.

Let's just hope David Davis gets his points across for Brexit.
But neither of those things were what the electorate were voting on.

The vote was about whether or not we should remain a member of the European Union. 

I hope nobody is going to try and railroad through anything that's not to do with what we voted for.

282Economy watch - Page 10 Empty Re: Economy watch on Tue Sep 06 2016, 17:06

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
@scottjames30 wrote:Everything's looking good, all the lies and rubbish the remain camp sputtered out has yet to happen.

I think we're more respected around the world due to Brexit, Donald Trump said it was an amazing thing that the British people stood up to a failed EU.

We haven't left the EU yet and we won't for at least two years.

283Economy watch - Page 10 Empty Re: Economy watch on Tue Sep 06 2016, 18:40

scottjames30

scottjames30
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@xmiles wrote:
@scottjames30 wrote:Everything's looking good, all the lies and rubbish the remain camp sputtered out has yet to happen.

I think we're more respected around the world due to Brexit, Donald Trump said it was an amazing thing that the British people stood up to a failed EU.

We haven't left the EU yet and we won't for at least two years.

I know, but we are leaving, and the remain party said it would be catastrophic if we did leave.

But everything seems fine.

284Economy watch - Page 10 Empty Re: Economy watch on Tue Sep 06 2016, 18:58

Bread2.0

Bread2.0
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Yes.....because (and I'm typing this v e r y   s l o w l y now, in the vain hope that it might actually go in).....We haven't left yet.

285Economy watch - Page 10 Empty Re: Economy watch on Tue Sep 06 2016, 19:02

scottjames30

scottjames30
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Sluffy.... Get this madman away from me.

286Economy watch - Page 10 Empty Re: Economy watch on Tue Sep 06 2016, 19:57

Guest


Guest
@scottjames30 wrote:
@xmiles wrote:
@scottjames30 wrote:Everything's looking good, all the lies and rubbish the remain camp sputtered out has yet to happen.

I think we're more respected around the world due to Brexit, Donald Trump said it was an amazing thing that the British people stood up to a failed EU.

We haven't left the EU yet and we won't for at least two years.

I know, but we are leaving, and the remain party said it would be catastrophic if we did leave.

But everything seems fine.

We have left the EU yet.

287Economy watch - Page 10 Empty Re: Economy watch on Tue Sep 06 2016, 19:59

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
bwfc1874 wrote:
@scottjames30 wrote:
@xmiles wrote:
@scottjames30 wrote:Everything's looking good, all the lies and rubbish the remain camp sputtered out has yet to happen.

I think we're more respected around the world due to Brexit, Donald Trump said it was an amazing thing that the British people stood up to a failed EU.

We haven't left the EU yet and we won't for at least two years.

I know, but we are leaving, and the remain party said it would be catastrophic if we did leave.

But everything seems fine.

We have left the EU yet.
Now you are helping Scott's confusion even more. Very Happy

288Economy watch - Page 10 Empty Re: Economy watch on Tue Sep 06 2016, 20:00

Guest


Guest
Curve ball, let's see what he does with it.

289Economy watch - Page 10 Empty Re: Economy watch on Tue Sep 06 2016, 20:50

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Scott is right. When the result was announced the doom and gloom merchants were predicting the end of the world within weeks.

That hasn't happened, quite the opposite.

290Economy watch - Page 10 Empty Re: Economy watch on Wed Sep 07 2016, 06:19

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
@Natasha Whittam wrote:Scott is right. When the result was announced the doom and gloom merchants were predicting the end of the world within weeks.

That hasn't happened, quite the opposite.

Do you actually think we have left the EU?

291Economy watch - Page 10 Empty Re: Economy watch on Wed Sep 07 2016, 07:26

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@xmiles wrote:

Do you actually think we have left the EU?

Of course not. But go back to the posts around the time of the vote - the doom and gloom merchants were predicting the collapse of the economy within weeks of the vote.

I think the "Remainers" are genuinely annoyed that unemployment hasn't hit 10 million and the price of bread hasn't hit £2 per slice.

The truth is we are British and will make the best of it. It's what we do.

292Economy watch - Page 10 Empty Re: Economy watch on Wed Sep 07 2016, 07:35

Bread2.0

Bread2.0
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
There's a massive difference between "making the best of it" and "doing what's best".

"Making the best of it" is singing Knees Up Mother Brown in an Underground station, surrounded by your friends and neighbours, while the Luftwaffe rain bombs down on your street.

If I got my knob stuck in the end of my vacuum cleaner hose and made it bleed, I would "make the best" of the situation by going to A&E and begging for help.

However, I would probably be considered a bit of a dickhead for putting myself in that situation in the first place and if my knob failed to make a full recovery and I wound up permanently with a "Liam Trotter" (ie a useless knob) as a result, it'd be my own fault and I wouldn't be deserving of any sympathy.

"Doing what's best" would be avoiding shoving your chap up the hoover in the first place.

293Economy watch - Page 10 Empty Re: Economy watch on Wed Sep 07 2016, 08:15

Guest


Guest
@Natasha Whittam wrote:
@xmiles wrote:

Do you actually think we have left the EU?

Of course not. But go back to the posts around the time of the vote - the doom and gloom merchants were predicting the collapse of the economy within weeks of the vote.

I think the "Remainers" are genuinely annoyed that unemployment hasn't hit 10 million and the price of bread hasn't hit £2 per slice.

The truth is we are British and will make the best of it. It's what we do.

The British people will 'make the most of it' is a completely hollow statement when it comes to the economy. We live in a globalised world and as such our fate is going to depend on the actions of other economic super powers. 

That's why the fact nothing has happened yet is so important, we don't know what kind of deal we'll have with the EU and if it's poor we can't expect big business to keep investing, Japan and the US have made that clear at the G20. It will be interesting to see what China does as relationships with them are more likely to be stressed by Hinkley.

294Economy watch - Page 10 Empty Re: Economy watch on Wed Sep 07 2016, 08:17

scottjames30

scottjames30
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Being in the EU was like having our knob stuck in the Hoover, thank fuck we got it out, we're free now.

And the Germans will still be making our cars, the French will still be selling us wine - I see great deals coming from all around the world - it's very exciting - walking around being unattached.

295Economy watch - Page 10 Empty Re: Economy watch on Wed Sep 07 2016, 08:28

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Guest
'If you find ourself agreeing with Scott, you're probably wrong'

296Economy watch - Page 10 Empty Re: Economy watch on Wed Sep 07 2016, 08:35

scottjames30

scottjames30
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
bwfc1874 wrote:'If you find ourself agreeing with Scott, you're probably wrong'
'Fury will beat Klitschko'

297Economy watch - Page 10 Empty Re: Economy watch on Wed Sep 07 2016, 09:10

Guest


Guest
Haha can't argue with that, you are a visionary.

298Economy watch - Page 10 Empty Re: Economy watch on Wed Sep 07 2016, 09:13

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
bwfc1874 wrote:

The British people will 'make the most of it' is a completely hollow statement when it comes to the economy. We live in a globalised world and as such our fate is going to depend on the actions of other economic super powers. 

That's why the fact nothing has happened yet is so important, we don't know what kind of deal we'll have with the EU and if it's poor we can't expect big business to keep investing, Japan and the US have made that clear at the G20. It will be interesting to see what China does as relationships with them are more likely to be stressed by Hinkley.

You make my point perfectly though. You've banged on for months about the refugee situation, as have many like you, but when push comes to shove you do nothing. Brits moan but just get on with it, which is what we'll do when we leave the EU.

299Economy watch - Page 10 Empty Re: Economy watch on Wed Sep 07 2016, 09:28

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Guest
You've no idea what I have or haven't done, if you think it's nothing then you'd be surprised. But that's not the point. We can't effect Bolton Wanderers but it doesn't stop us occasionally talking about football, we can't effect the economy individually but we all have an opinion on what those than can should be doing differently.

300Economy watch - Page 10 Empty Re: Economy watch on Wed Sep 07 2016, 11:19

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
bwfc1874 wrote:You've no idea what I have or haven't done

I have. Nothing except make posts on a football forum.

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