What are you getting at Sluffy?Sluffy wrote:Bollotom2014 wrote:Just had an email from PayPal saying the 'Bolton Wanderers Supporters Society'(?) have suspended my automatic payments.
PayPal have informed me that my recurring payment to the ST has been reactivated.[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] In out, in out, shake it all about. Sounds almost like it could be Wet Spam.They didn't take mine but I did mine by bank transfer so one up to me.
Registered at 46 Broom Way, Westhoughton, BL5 3TZ.
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Home of Ian James Bridge (Chair of the ST).
Also registered address of Quantum Environment Design Limited with Mr Bridge and his wife being the sole directors, which went into voluntary liquidation in March 2010, owing over £86,000 (after liquidation) to its creditors including Her Majesty's Revenue and customs.
See Filing history, Return of final meeting, 21st Dec, 2009 -
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Also registered address of The Cryocentre Limited, with Mr Bridge and his wife being the only directors, which was compulsory struck off in Feb, 2010, just one month before Quantum Environment Design Limited was liquidated owing over £86,000.
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Also registered address of Sappari Limited, with Mr Bridge and his wife being the only directors, which was compulsory liquidated on the 18th March, 2016 following a court order following a request from the creditor Her Majesty's Custom and excise.
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Also registered address of Bridge Consultancy Services Ltd with Mr Bridge and his wife being the sole directors, which is in the process of being wound up, with the Liquidators statement dated 24th November, 2016 stating that there are debts of nearly £200,000 and no assets available at present.
In the liquidators report states that there is an overdrawn Directors loan with a book value of £50,000 and it would seem by the last three annual Liquidator's statements that a sum of money is being met by the Director of £6,000 contributions per annum.
See Filing History - the last three Liquidators statement of receipts and payments
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Also registered address of IJB (Design Services)Limited with Mr Bridge being the sole directors, which according to Companies House has accounts overdue (the last Annual Return being 19th Feb, 2016).
There is also a charge registered against the company in May 2016, for access to a loan of £100,000.
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Supporters Trust keeping low profile about taking people's £10's for renewed membership!
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21 Re: Supporters Trust keeping low profile about taking people's £10's for renewed membership! Thu Mar 09 2017, 12:35
boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
22 Re: Supporters Trust keeping low profile about taking people's £10's for renewed membership! Thu Mar 09 2017, 22:08
DEANO82
Tony Kelly
Sluffy wrote:Bollotom2014 wrote:Just had an email from PayPal saying the 'Bolton Wanderers Supporters Society'(?) have suspended my automatic payments.
PayPal have informed me that my recurring payment to the ST has been reactivated.[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] In out, in out, shake it all about. Sounds almost like it could be Wet Spam.They didn't take mine but I did mine by bank transfer so one up to me.
Registered at 46 Broom Way, Westhoughton, BL5 3TZ.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Home of Ian James Bridge (Chair of the ST).
Also registered address of Quantum Environment Design Limited with Mr Bridge and his wife being the sole directors, which went into voluntary liquidation in March 2010, owing over £86,000 (after liquidation) to its creditors including Her Majesty's Revenue and customs.
See Filing history, Return of final meeting, 21st Dec, 2009 -
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Also registered address of The Cryocentre Limited, with Mr Bridge and his wife being the only directors, which was compulsory struck off in Feb, 2010, just one month before Quantum Environment Design Limited was liquidated owing over £86,000.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Also registered address of Sappari Limited, with Mr Bridge and his wife being the only directors, which was compulsory liquidated on the 18th March, 2016 following a court order following a request from the creditor Her Majesty's Custom and excise.
See Insolvency, Compulsory Liquidation -
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Also registered address of Bridge Consultancy Services Ltd with Mr Bridge and his wife being the sole directors, which is in the process of being wound up, with the Liquidators statement dated 24th November, 2016 stating that there are debts of nearly £200,000 and no assets available at present.
In the liquidators report states that there is an overdrawn Directors loan with a book value of £50,000 and it would seem by the last three annual Liquidator's statements that a sum of money is being met by the Director of £6,000 contributions per annum.
See Filing History - the last three Liquidators statement of receipts and payments
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Also registered address of IJB (Design Services)Limited with Mr Bridge being the sole directors, which according to Companies House has accounts overdue (the last Annual Return being 19th Feb, 2016).
There is also a charge registered against the company in May 2016, for access to a loan of £100,000.
See Charges -
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
All the above information freely available to the general public at Companies House.
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23 Re: Supporters Trust keeping low profile about taking people's £10's for renewed membership! Thu Mar 09 2017, 22:22
boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
24 Re: Supporters Trust keeping low profile about taking people's £10's for renewed membership! Fri Mar 10 2017, 13:51
Reebok Trotter
Nat Lofthouse
It certainly doesn't make for good reading! Multiple business failings and substantial outstanding debts to boot. You really couldn't make it up. Credit to Sluffy for pointing all this out because some posters were having a go at him because of his views on the ST and it looks like Sluffy was correct in his opinions.
25 Re: Supporters Trust keeping low profile about taking people's £10's for renewed membership! Fri Mar 10 2017, 14:01
boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
I could post similar items regarding KA.
But I see no point. It's now in the past. I'll judge KA and the ST on what they do going forward.
But I see no point. It's now in the past. I'll judge KA and the ST on what they do going forward.
26 Re: Supporters Trust keeping low profile about taking people's £10's for renewed membership! Fri Mar 10 2017, 14:08
observer
Andy Walker
Sluffy is entitled to his opinions. Give him a gold star because he backs those opinions up with facts. Whether you like the ST or not, these facts that Sluffy has offered, would make anyone suspicious of dealing with the leadership of the group.Reebok Trotter wrote:It certainly doesn't make for good reading! Multiple business failings and substantial outstanding debts to boot. You really couldn't make it up. Credit to Sluffy for pointing all this out because some posters were having a go at him because of his views on the ST and it looks like Sluffy was correct in his opinions.
27 Re: Supporters Trust keeping low profile about taking people's £10's for renewed membership! Fri Mar 10 2017, 14:12
boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
But we shouldn't be suspicious of dealing with Ken Anderson? (He too,has a past,and a murky one at that)
28 Re: Supporters Trust keeping low profile about taking people's £10's for renewed membership! Fri Mar 10 2017, 14:56
Guest
Guest
TBF anyone's business can go tits up. Being self employed makes you all the more aware of it. If your buriness does go bust does that mean that you should be resigned to the scrap heap and give up on everything?
As it stands at the moment im doing ok, but all it takes is a piece of legislation to change or a new approach to what i do and i may have the same fortunes. Does that then mean that i should give up on everything and never try to be a success at anything again?
There but for the grace of god.
As it stands at the moment im doing ok, but all it takes is a piece of legislation to change or a new approach to what i do and i may have the same fortunes. Does that then mean that i should give up on everything and never try to be a success at anything again?
There but for the grace of god.
29 Re: Supporters Trust keeping low profile about taking people's £10's for renewed membership! Fri Mar 10 2017, 15:22
King Bill
David Lee
For all the moaning by some people of the (newly formed still finding it's feet pro active organisation) ST, why don't they start their own squeaky clean, error free ST, instead of constantly sniping at the periphery at every little development.
As has been said earlier, mountain out of molehills. And all for a tenner a year.
I dont see the same level of input and analysis on the match threads. Makes me wonder if these are Bolton fans at all and simply use this forum as an excuse to continually criticise well meaning Wanderers fans.
As has been said earlier, mountain out of molehills. And all for a tenner a year.
I dont see the same level of input and analysis on the match threads. Makes me wonder if these are Bolton fans at all and simply use this forum as an excuse to continually criticise well meaning Wanderers fans.
30 Re: Supporters Trust keeping low profile about taking people's £10's for renewed membership! Fri Mar 10 2017, 15:26
boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Quite right Johnny. And despite my reservations about Ken Anderson,I'm willing to give him a reasonable crack of the whip,and that goes for the ST too.y2johnny wrote:TBF anyone's business can go tits up. Being self employed makes you all the more aware of it. If your buriness does go bust does that mean that you should be resigned to the scrap heap and give up on everything?
As it stands at the moment im doing ok, but all it takes is a piece of legislation to change or a new approach to what i do and i may have the same fortunes. Does that then mean that i should give up on everything and never try to be a success at anything again?
There but for the grace of god.
To be fair to them both,I've seen positive signs in recent weeks,and I'm hopeful of a more profitable exchange of views between both parties.
Rather like Brexit, the ST project may take another two or three years to play out,but I'll give them that chance.
And King Bill is right. Let's give both parties a chance.
31 Re: Supporters Trust keeping low profile about taking people's £10's for renewed membership! Fri Mar 10 2017, 15:36
Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
i joined the ST hoping they would be able to have real influence on how the club was run and be there to hold whoever the owner was to account, as i suspect most people who parted with a tenner did.
The problem has been the 10,000 they hoped for never materialized and they have somewhere between 2000-3000 member i think? The wind was taken out of their sails when KA took over as it looked the crisis was over and they have never recovered from it. The frosty relationship with KA at the start didn't help either.
I really do hope they go on and become what we want them to be but i just can't see it happening, they seem to be in a mess and not sure what direction to take.
I never wanted them to take over the club as that would have limited us going forward but they should have some input in how the club progresses.
I don't have any real issue with Bridge and his failed business record, the ST should be more of a pressure group than a fully fledged business in my opinion, but they haven't helped themselves with their poor handling of renewing fees. I personally won't be giving them any more money unless things change radically
The problem has been the 10,000 they hoped for never materialized and they have somewhere between 2000-3000 member i think? The wind was taken out of their sails when KA took over as it looked the crisis was over and they have never recovered from it. The frosty relationship with KA at the start didn't help either.
I really do hope they go on and become what we want them to be but i just can't see it happening, they seem to be in a mess and not sure what direction to take.
I never wanted them to take over the club as that would have limited us going forward but they should have some input in how the club progresses.
I don't have any real issue with Bridge and his failed business record, the ST should be more of a pressure group than a fully fledged business in my opinion, but they haven't helped themselves with their poor handling of renewing fees. I personally won't be giving them any more money unless things change radically
32 Re: Supporters Trust keeping low profile about taking people's £10's for renewed membership! Fri Mar 10 2017, 16:04
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Guest
I like Ken. More so than the ST. My main problem with the ST is the way they jump on anything negative out of the club. Maybe this is what they are supposed to be for ans to challenge things, but the manner in which they do it sometimes makes them come accross as....well.....arseholes tbh.boltonbonce wrote:Quite right Johnny. And despite my reservations about Ken Anderson,I'm willing to give him a reasonable crack of the whip,and that goes for the ST too.y2johnny wrote:TBF anyone's business can go tits up. Being self employed makes you all the more aware of it. If your buriness does go bust does that mean that you should be resigned to the scrap heap and give up on everything?
As it stands at the moment im doing ok, but all it takes is a piece of legislation to change or a new approach to what i do and i may have the same fortunes. Does that then mean that i should give up on everything and never try to be a success at anything again?
There but for the grace of god.
To be fair to them both,I've seen positive signs in recent weeks,and I'm hopeful of a more profitable exchange of views between both parties.
Rather like Brexit, the ST project may take another two or three years to play out,but I'll give them that chance.
And King Bill is right. Let's give both parties a chance.
If they can find the right balance then maybe things can move forward, but my main issue with what sluffy has posted is if youve took a risk with your own business and it goes tits up, your pretty much good for nothing.
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