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General Election - 8th June.

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211General Election - 8th June. - Page 12 Empty Re: General Election - 8th June. Tue May 16 2017, 16:46

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington

Youth will struggle to vote.

Haven't bothered to register or can't get out  of bed.

212General Election - 8th June. - Page 12 Empty Re: General Election - 8th June. Tue May 16 2017, 17:30

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Cajunboy wrote:Youth will struggle to vote.

Haven't bothered to register or can't get out  of bed.

I'm registered. And out of bed.

213General Election - 8th June. - Page 12 Empty Re: General Election - 8th June. Tue May 16 2017, 17:32

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Natasha Whittam wrote:
Cajunboy wrote:Youth will struggle to vote.

Haven't bothered to register or can't get out  of bed.

I'm registered. And out of bed.
Is the nurse changing the rubber sheet?

214General Election - 8th June. - Page 12 Empty Re: General Election - 8th June. Tue May 16 2017, 22:00

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson

i think its a very naive manifesto, even though there are some spects of it I like, (such as the nationalising of some enterprises). They think that they can promise all these things, and get the rich to pay.
Firstly, it would appear that their figures don't add up, and secondly, if you push the rich hard enough, they'll move, and take their assets with them, (they didn't get rich without knowing how to protect it)

215General Election - 8th June. - Page 12 Empty Re: General Election - 8th June. Tue May 16 2017, 22:38

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha

Every time the Labour party threathen to increase tax on the "rich" (however you define them) we get the same bollocks about them leaving the country. They never do leave though, largely because most of the really rich (those with incomes over £1m or assets worth more than £10m) don't pay much tax anyway and those on £80k a year can't afford to leave.

216General Election - 8th June. - Page 12 Empty Re: General Election - 8th June. Wed May 17 2017, 11:36

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson

xmiles wrote:Every time the Labour party threathen to increase tax on the "rich" (however you define them) we get the same bollocks about them leaving the country. They never do leave though, largely because most of the really rich (those with incomes over £1m or assets worth more than £10m) don't pay much tax anyway and those on £80k a year can't afford to leave.
Thats because its not happened in the past. They realised that they really were talking bollocks, and had to retract or review. 
Anyway, its a moot point, much like the Lib Dem giveaways, they won't have to actually do the deed. 
Its very much like the rest of us wondering what we would do if we won the lottery, its not going to happen.

217General Election - 8th June. - Page 12 Empty Re: General Election - 8th June. Wed May 17 2017, 11:42

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

I think a big issue is whether or not the additional 3 million "mystery voters" who turned out to vote for the first time in their lives at the EU referendum will be bothered to do it again? The turnout was 7% higher than the general election/previous elections and the extra 3 million "single issue voters" made all the difference. I guess some will buy into the idea that the general election is about ensuring hard Brexit happens, but I expect substantial dropout.

218General Election - 8th June. - Page 12 Empty Re: General Election - 8th June. Wed May 17 2017, 12:50

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Lib Dems put Brexit referendum at heart of their manifesto.

Referendum ostensibly on the terms of Brexit but to include an option to remain in the EU in the final vote.

This election increasingly looks like there are several completely different priority sets.

Is it about empowering the Tories to plough ahead with a hard Brexit?
Is it about people having a say in how we Brexit?
Is it about accepting Brexit but questioning the Tory austerity policy?
Is it about Scottish independence?
Is it about not accepting Brexit at all?
Is it about social reform?


This election is shaping up to be far more complicated than those of recent years.

219General Election - 8th June. - Page 12 Empty Re: General Election - 8th June. Wed May 17 2017, 13:23

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

wanderlust wrote:This election is shaping up to be far more complicated than those of recent years.

Is it bollocks. It's the same as always for most people...do I vote Labour, Tory or not at all.

220General Election - 8th June. - Page 12 Empty Re: General Election - 8th June. Wed May 17 2017, 13:26

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

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221General Election - 8th June. - Page 12 Empty Re: General Election - 8th June. Wed May 17 2017, 13:31

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

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222General Election - 8th June. - Page 12 Empty Re: General Election - 8th June. Wed May 17 2017, 13:31

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Simon,is toast.

223General Election - 8th June. - Page 12 Empty Re: General Election - 8th June. Wed May 17 2017, 13:34

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Wanderlust, I despise all politicians including the Tory ones.



224General Election - 8th June. - Page 12 Empty Re: General Election - 8th June. Wed May 17 2017, 13:35

rammywhite

rammywhite
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington

Simon will get re-elected because he is no better or worse than the majority of MPs of all colours who rip off the tax payer by heavily inflated accommodation costs and who also employ their families as staff members of their constituency offices.

225General Election - 8th June. - Page 12 Empty Re: General Election - 8th June. Wed May 17 2017, 13:38

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

The irony is that he'll be re-elected because this election isn't about people, policies or performance. It's about the rich telling the poor that if they vote for them it will be a blow against the establishment (and don't let those middle class smartarses tell you otherwise!)

226General Election - 8th June. - Page 12 Empty Re: General Election - 8th June. Wed May 17 2017, 13:39

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

rammywhite wrote:Simon will get re-elected because he is no better or worse than the majority of MPs of all colours who rip off the tax payer by heavily inflated accommodation costs and who also employ their families as staff members of their constituency offices.

Correct.

Pay politicians the average national wage. Bar them from having second homes. Bar them from employing friends/family. Bar them from second jobs or lobbying for commercial businesses.

All of a sudden you have politicians who are in it for the right reasons and not for personal gain.

227General Election - 8th June. - Page 12 Empty Re: General Election - 8th June. Wed May 17 2017, 13:54

rammywhite

rammywhite
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington

wanderlust wrote:The irony is that he'll be re-elected because this election isn't about people, policies or performance. It's about the rich telling the poor that if they vote for them it will be a blow against the establishment (and don't let those middle class smartarses tell you otherwise!)

What's this with the 'rich' and the 'poor'. Its time we got away from all this dubious class warfare that left wing politicians rant on about. Who's to decide who's 'rich' and who's 'poor'? And don't quote me stuff about median wages ,or free school meals because I know all that.
They're just emotive expressions designed to continue the sort of class warfare that was the subject of politics decades ago, in the 1930s,  that pinprick socialists love to go on about. It reminds me of the pig ignorant student politics that I took part in decades ago based on idealism bereft of reality.
The ragged trousered philanthropist is ragged trousered no more.
He (or she)e lives in a neat semi, drives a mondeo, goes to Spain for his  (or her ) holidays  and all his (or her) kids have mobile phones better than the one I have.
 Sorry to say it, but this myth about the 'rich ' and thr 'poor' at war with each other is too defunct an idea to  mirror the realism of the times we live in in. To say,as someone on here has said that Teresa May 'is at war with' the working class simply beggars belief that anyone can believe it. Similarly that  Jeremy Corbyn 'detests' the rich is equally nonsensical. Its infantile name calling bereft of any substance.
The 'middle classes' ( whatever they are) dominate the country that we live in.
I wonder how I'm categorised- am I 'rich' or 'poor'
Come on now- someone preach me a sermon. Reclaim the moral high ground!!

228General Election - 8th June. - Page 12 Empty Re: General Election - 8th June. Wed May 17 2017, 15:19

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha

Rich and poor and middle class are all relative terms but it is clear that the Tory party is only interested in looking after a tiny minority of the people in this country who for simplicity can be labelled the rich. With the help of a biased right wing media they continue to convince large numbers of people otherwise but the evidence is there if people would only look.

229General Election - 8th June. - Page 12 Empty Re: General Election - 8th June. Wed May 17 2017, 15:28

rammywhite

rammywhite
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington

xmiles wrote:Rich and poor and middle class are all relative terms but it is clear that the Tory party is only interested in looking after a tiny minority of the people in this country who for simplicity can be labelled the rich. With the help of a biased right wing media they continue to convince large numbers of people otherwise but the evidence is there if people would only look.

The evidence is not there at all. It's a blinkered view that seems to pass from generation to generation that the Tories are totally biased one way and that Labour  are totally biased in the opposite direction.. To say that the Tories are only  interested in looking after a 'tiny' minority who can be labelled rich I think is utterly naïve.
Its part of the binary divisive thinking that bedevils politics.

230General Election - 8th June. - Page 12 Empty Re: General Election - 8th June. Wed May 17 2017, 15:35

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson

I would think that nowadays, its more a case of surviving these troubled times, regardless of political party. We can only work with what we have, and its going to get less before it gets more.

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