Brexit negotiations

T.R.O.Y wrote:Trust me, I won't get bored of talking about Brexit and it's affects for a while yet. The legal agreement is a recent eventuality, and it should be properly scrutinised – had there been more scrutinisation before the vote we wouldn't be leaving.

You don't know that

Of course I can’t be certain, but had we been given all the facts I think it’s a fair assumption - given how tight the result was.

What do you make of the broken promises? Does it matter to you?

I genuinely don't believe either side had all the facts, because none of us could envisage what could come from it, or how it would come about. We've had to take a lot on faith, but its been an error strewn path from day one, for both sides,

How can promises be made, when nothing was certain ?

Easily enough:

If you vote Brexit, it will be X /we’ll do Y.

gloswhite wrote:How can promises be made, when nothing was certain ?

Yet the leave campaign consisted of nothing but promises all of which have turned out to be simple lies. Some the day after the referendum (£350m for the NHS) some more recently (controlling our own fisheries). Has any promise made by the leavers actually been delivered?

Let it go. It's happening. Don't waste any more of your life on this shit. Life is short.

Sorry TROY, thats naive. Its been a hell of a trip so far, but we have to accept not everyone will get what they want, leavers, remainers, and the EU itself. Its was a momentous decision, and only time will tell if the end product was worth it. Of course, we will then argue about the outcome, who won, who lost, etc. Its done, its still happening, whats next. None of us know. (but I still think it was the right decision )

Life is short but some of us have children and grandchildren and would prefer that the country wasn't fucked up.

Brexit doesn't have to happen.

Got to take an interest Nat, this will affect us for generations to come.

gloswhite wrote:Sorry TROY, thats naive. Its been a hell of a trip so far, but we have to accept not everyone will get what they want, leavers, remainers, and the EU itself. Its was a momentous decision, and only time will tell if the end product was worth it. Of course, we will then argue about the outcome, who won, who lost, etc. Its done, its still happening, whats next. None of us know. (but I still think it was the right decision )

Remind me glos why you still think it was the right decision.

gloswhite wrote:Sorry TROY, thats naive. Its been a hell of a trip so far, but we have to accept not everyone will get what they want, leavers, remainers, and the EU itself. Its was a momentous decision, and only time will tell if the end product was worth it. Of course, we will then argue about the outcome, who won, who lost, etc. Its done, its still happening, whats next. None of us know. (but I still think it was the right decision )

It’s naive to think promises were made? I’d argue it’s  entirely factual. Did you look at the article?

xmiles wrote:

gloswhite wrote:How can promises be made, when nothing was certain ?

Yet the leave campaign consisted of nothing but promises all of which have turned out to be simple lies. Some the day after the referendum (£350m for the NHS) some more recently (controlling our own fisheries). Has any promise made by the leavers actually been delivered?

Am I right in saying that another red bus went on the road recently, in favour either remaining, or some similar reason. Haven't heard anything about it since the first day. (Owen Smith was sacked because even the Labour Party are beginning to realise that such a wish is nothing but pie in the sky.

xmiles wrote:Life is short but some of us have children and grandchildren and would prefer that the country wasn't fucked up.

Brexit doesn't have to happen.

XM, taking such a pessimistic view all the time is more likely to fuck up our future than a positive one, whatever the circumstances.

Smith was sacked for breaking the party line on Brexit, a tactical and underhand move on his part IMO.

xmiles wrote:

gloswhite wrote:Sorry TROY, thats naive. Its been a hell of a trip so far, but we have to accept not everyone will get what they want, leavers, remainers, and the EU itself. Its was a momentous decision, and only time will tell if the end product was worth it. Of course, we will then argue about the outcome, who won, who lost, etc. Its done, its still happening, whats next. None of us know. (but I still think it was the right decision )

Remind me glos why you still think it was the right decision.

It was the right decision because we have stirred up a situation that will ensure that we as a nation, are able to make our own decisions, with respect to all things British, rather than be dragged along with many nations into a mindless comglomeration of petty bureacrats. We will have to learn to run out own country again.

T.R.O.Y wrote:Smith was sacked for breaking the party line on Brexit, a tactical and underhand move on his part IMO.

True. I always thought he was unrealistic.

gloswhite wrote:

xmiles wrote:

gloswhite wrote:How can promises be made, when nothing was certain ?

Yet the leave campaign consisted of nothing but promises all of which have turned out to be simple lies. Some the day after the referendum (£350m for the NHS) some more recently (controlling our own fisheries). Has any promise made by the leavers actually been delivered?

Am I right in saying that another red bus went on the road recently, in favour either remaining, or some similar reason. Haven't heard anything about it since the first day. (Owen Smith was sacked because even the Labour Party are beginning to realise that such a wish is nothing but pie in the sky.

You have completely lost me now glos as I have no idea what you are referring to. You also haven't given any examples of brexiters delivering on their promises.

I'm off to bed. To dream about the unfettered and positive future of this great country, (mind you winning the lottery would be nice as well ) 

Nite all

xmiles wrote:

gloswhite wrote:

xmiles wrote:

gloswhite wrote:How can promises be made, when nothing was certain ?

Yet the leave campaign consisted of nothing but promises all of which have turned out to be simple lies. Some the day after the referendum (£350m for the NHS) some more recently (controlling our own fisheries). Has any promise made by the leavers actually been delivered?

Am I right in saying that another red bus went on the road recently, in favour either remaining, or some similar reason. Haven't heard anything about it since the first day. (Owen Smith was sacked because even the Labour Party are beginning to realise that such a wish is nothing but pie in the sky.

You have completely lost me now glos as I have no idea what you are referring to. You also haven't given any examples of brexiters delivering on their promises.

Nobody can give examples, were still negotiating. Its all talk so far.