Supporters Trust

Norpig wrote:I remember paying a tenner when it started as we were in the mire, i even logged on to hear the chat that was streamed from the stadium with people from the Pompey Trust as they seemed to be doing well and had a representative on the board i think?

Since then though it has become irrelevant, am i still classed as a member even though i haven't paid my subs for years?

Yes you are!

One pound of the £10 you initially paid with entitled you to life membership and unless you specifically write to them that you want to terminate this life membership, you remain so.

You therefore are counted as one of their 3,500 or so membership they report they have.

As you can see the membership figure is therefore completely meaningless and there's probably about 8 or 10 people who actually are active in the ST - the same sort of number that are active here on Nuts - and we certainly don't claim to be the 'Voice of the Fans'.

I told you all from the very beginning that the ST was NOT a true organisation as it purports itself to be but merely a small group of people with a clear agenda to get themselves some personal say in the ownership and/or running of the club.

I was given absolute dogs abuse for stating what was clearly obvious to me, I've given guidance to organisations like this in the past - and repeatedly pointed out how the ST did not comply with its own Articles of Association.

You and in particular Bonce gave me a lot of grief about doing so - claiming I was obsessed but I knew what I was talking about and time has proved me absolutely right on this.

I've no axe to grind with a properly organised and run ST but this wasn't, annual AGM's were not held for example.

Anyway as a group of mates with one being very poorly, I can fully understand them not holding a meeting - but in a properly run and organised organisation with 3,500 'real' members, the AGM would be held even if it was the Chairman or Accountant who had been taken ill. Elections are held even when candidates have been taken seriously ill.

As I've said above I wish the person well and a speedy recovery.

Its not like you've been holding a grudge and waiting to remind me all these years later is it Sluffy? 

Norpig wrote:Its not like you've been holding a grudge and waiting to remind me all these years later is it Sluffy? 

It is a simple statement of fact NOT a grudge.

Did you give me grief at the time, call me obsessed, or didn't you?

Which of us has been proved to be right?

I don't bare grudges - I'm the one that laughs at those that do...

Sluffy wrote:

Norpig wrote:Its not like you've been holding a grudge and waiting to remind me all these years later is it Sluffy? 

It is a simple statement of fact NOT a grudge.

Did you give me grief at the time, call me obsessed, or didn't you?

Which of us has been proved to be right?

I don't bare grudges - I'm the one that laughs at those that do...

I don’t think he really meant grudge but more of a I told you so.

You are proving him right though with this aren’t you?

I’m just pointing it out by the way and not having a pop.

karlypants wrote:

Sluffy wrote:

Norpig wrote:Its not like you've been holding a grudge and waiting to remind me all these years later is it Sluffy? 

It is a simple statement of fact NOT a grudge.

Did you give me grief at the time, call me obsessed, or didn't you?

Which of us has been proved to be right?

I don't bare grudges - I'm the one that laughs at those that do...

I don’t think he really meant grudge but more of a I told you so.

You are proving him right though with this aren’t you?

I’m just pointing it out by the way and not having a pop.

I'm not absolutely clear what you are saying here but if it helps, yes I was pointing out I was right all along, that I did get dogs abuse for it so much so that some really believed I was behaving obsessively, and that I do know what I'm talking about in areas where I do have real life knowledge and experience in.

I've stood alone many times on here (and other forums too) on several subjects such as Anderson not raping the club, Wanderlust telling lies that he did not vote for Brexit, PPE contracts were not awarded based on political cronyism, as well as the ST not operating to its own Articles of Association (in simple terms being nothing more than a mates club).

If I were to bare grudges against everyone who thought differently to me on just these issues alone, we'd be talking about hundreds if not thousands of people.

Clearly believing what people read on social media to be true without fact checking as Norpig and others did in this instance, is the point I make here, as I do constantly throughout my postings on this and previous forums, as that is what people do!

Nothing will change in this respect and no doubt sooner rather than later something similar will happen again where people will yet believe social media opinion and propaganda rather than the actual facts.

That's how the world is.

I've accepted this many years ago.

I'll still for my own amusement continue to point out the facts and if people don't want to check them and abuse me for doing so that's up to them.

I certainly don't lose any sleep over it.

Sluffy wrote:

It is a simple statement of fact NOT a grudge.

Did you give me grief at the time, call me obsessed, or didn't you?

Which of us has been proved to be right?

I don't bare grudges - I'm the one that laughs at those that do...

How do i know if i gave you grief at the time, it was years ago and like most normal people i moved on and forgot all about it, unlike you.

Norpig wrote:

Sluffy wrote:

It is a simple statement of fact NOT a grudge.

Did you give me grief at the time, call me obsessed, or didn't you?

Which of us has been proved to be right?

I don't bare grudges - I'm the one that laughs at those that do...

How do i know if i gave you grief at the time, it was years ago and like most normal people i moved on and forgot all about it, unlike you.

Jesus Christ mate, you've been on my back on everything I've done on here for years.

I can't do or say nothing right in your eyes apparently.

You've even begged Karly and BTID to ban me from the forum for good at times (or has that slipped your memory as as well...?)

You're the one with issues not me.

If I really do bear grudges then don't you think I would have banned you off here years ago?

Why would I stand up for you when Bob puts you down as he does, why did I personally reach out to you about your private matters, in fact why would I even give the slightest fuck about you?

absolutely clueless and no self awareness as usual, good old Sluffy 

You are the one who remembers every insult or comment you don't agree with and store it away to be revived YEARS later. You really are a strange individual Sluffy.

Norpig wrote:absolutely clueless and no self awareness as usual, good old Sluffy 

You are the one who remembers every insult or comment you don't agree with and store it away to be revived YEARS later. You really are a strange individual Sluffy.

I may well be a strange individual and I used to have an exceptional memory but I don't fill it with hatred and bitterness, never mind petty little slights made on the internet.

I might also be clueless and have no self awareness but I'm not the one here behaving hysterically, like a little girl, throwing insults about.

And it really isn't hard to remember the setting up of the ST - I'm sure you can too if you are honest - and if you can, then it really isn't hard for me to remember writing on here how they were acting unconstitutionally and you (and in particular Bonce) making out how I was completely obsessive about them.

I've been called lots of names on here by many people, none of it bothers me - it's how people behave these days, especially on social media.

I don't win anything for being right, you and others don't lose anything for being wrong either.

I simply posted on here yesterday the announcement of the ST's postponement of their ST, and you've managed to turn that into yet another one of your personal issues with me - NOT the other way around!

As I've said many times before...

Sluffy wrote:Jesus Christ mate, you've been on my back on everything I've done on here for years.

I can't do or say nothing right in your eyes apparently.

You're the one with issues not me.

If we can get away from the personal bickering, it sounds like there are serious concerns for the individual in question who I expect must have had a significant role in the ST. I wouldn't question the judgement in postponing an AGM that is of relatively little consequence.

Ten Bobsworth wrote:If we can get away from the personal bickering, it sounds like there are serious concerns for the individual in question who I expect must have had a significant role in the ST. I wouldn't question the judgement in postponing an AGM that is of relatively little consequence.

And that is exactly what I said in my initial posts.

Sluffy wrote:

I may well be a strange individual and I used to have an exceptional memory but I don't fill it with hatred and bitterness, never mind petty little slights made on the internet.

I might also be clueless and have no self awareness but I'm not the one here behaving hysterically, like a little girl, throwing insults about.

And it really isn't hard to remember the setting up of the ST - I'm sure you can too if you are honest - and if you can, then it really isn't hard for me to remember writing on here how they were acting unconstitutionally and you (and in particular Bonce) making out how I was completely obsessive about them.

I've been called lots of names on here by many people, none of it bothers me - it's how people behave these days, especially on social media.

I don't win anything for being right, you and others don't lose anything for being wrong either.

I simply posted on here yesterday the announcement of the ST's postponement of their ST, and you've managed to turn that into yet another one of your personal issues with me - NOT the other way around!

As I've said many times before...

One last comment before i leave as i've had enough of you now Sluffy. Read your post after i queried if i was still a member of the ST and still tell me who started this off?

You'll not be happy till this site is just you on your own will you?

I'm still a member. £10 a year. 
Not a very interesting post, but better than some I've made.
And what's going on? Where's Norpig going? Who's running the shop?

I hope you are not going for good Norpig.

karlypants wrote:I hope you are not going for good Norpig.

Norpig, if you're going, take your bleedin' CD collection with you!

boltonbonce wrote:

karlypants wrote:I hope you are not going for good Norpig.

Norpig, if you're going, take your bleedin' CD collection with you!

Norpig wrote:
One last comment before i leave as i've had enough of you now Sluffy. Read your post after i queried if i was still a member of the ST and still tell me who started this off?

You'll not be happy till this site is just you on your own will you?

No let's not start half way through the current part of this thread, let us start at the beginning (yesterday) and follow through the content and context in what was said and how it developed.

My first post was simply the ST's notification that the AGM was cancelled and why.

I thought it best to put my comments in a separate post immediately after that in which (if you read it again) I basically said properly run organisations wouldn't cancel an AGM because one person is ill, but the ST isn't a 'properly' run organisation.

I also added my best wishes to whoever is ill.

Then you asked if you were still a member.

I explained to you that you were, along with about 3,500 others but in reality there is probably just as few as 10 or 12 people who are actually active in the ST and compared it to the similar numbers we have active here on Nuts.

My point clearly being that the ST is little more than a few mates playing at being something important, which they clearly are not.

I went on to say that I've said this from day one and took an awful lot of personal abuse for saying so - which you (and Bonce in particular) partook in.

All that was FACTUAL.

I again wished the ST Board Member a speedy recovery.


THEN we get to the point YOU wanted us to start at.

The thread up to now was simply - AGM cancelled - me saying they are tin pot - you asking a question - me answering it and explaining thousands of people are members of the ST but nearly all of them (like you) don't/didn't participate and consequently the ST have been tin pot from day one - just as I'd said and which I got dogs abuse for, including from you.

YOU then turned it in to something personal - NOT ME.

"I'm holding a grudge", "someone is wrong on the internet", "I'm not a normal person", "I'm clueless", "I've no self awareness", "I'm a strange individual", "I won't be happy until there's only me left on the site"...

I wasn't looking for an apology, or an argument, or anything else - I merely stated FACTS.

I was simply pointing out how meaningless the ST is - and always has been from the start - nothing more.

It isn't the first time you've gone off on one over absolutely nothing - you see things that simply aren't there - and as I've said many times before, whatever I do or say, is always wrong as far as you are concerned.



Hope you stay with us on Nuts but that's entirely up to you.

Well apparently the latest accounts of the ST have surfaced - Marc Iles posted a link, I've certainly not see the ST making them public anywhere.

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A quick look at them shows they managed to raise £17,500 in income over the year yet spent £21,000 resulting in a £3,500 loss.

They received £8,280 in subs meaning only 828 members paying their annual £10 membership fee - hardly a basis of the ST claiming they represent ALL the fans - we have 1,290 registered members on Nuts for instance!

Their other income was from Event Tickets £2,105 and coach tickets £7,235.

Their expenditure was £9,000 on running their web site and social media (an utterly ridiculous amount), £1,750 Event Expenses, £6,225 Hire of Coach and a rather interesting item simply shown as BWFC £3,600.

No idea what that is for unless it is paying for the ST's Season Tickets???

(The only other thing I could think of was meeting room hire at the Reebok but the club usually provides that for free I believe?)

If so are the 828 mugs still paying your annual £10 membership fees happy that it is being spent on wisely on an exorbitant website (ours cost much less than £100 per year) and apparently free season tickets for the ST board?

Maybe the £3,600 isn't for season tickets but it is worth noting that the accounts used to be filed annually as legally required to here, the Financial Conduct Authority -

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...but have not been done so for the last TWO years and NO amount was ever paid to BWFC previously but the amount of £3,600 has been shown as expenditure on both the two 'missing' account since.

If I was a member of the ST, I'd be wanting to know exactly what this £3,600 has been spent on and who has benefitted from it?

EDIT - CORRECTION

It has kindly been brought to my attention that the £3,500 expenditure, under the heading BWFC was in fact for Office Rent.

Previous Supporters Trust PUBLISHED (and legally required), annual accounts, that can be found on the Mutuals Public Register, (the AR30 form) have shown NO PREVIOUS CHARGES for office rents. See link below direct to the BWFC Supporters Trust - registered as Bolton Wanderers Supporters Society Limited

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It is also worth noting that the person who kindly informed me of this also stated that they were debited TWICE for his £10 membership fee when it was due and has NOT since had a refund.

I mention this because the membership revenue on the latest accounts has risen from £7,197 in the previous years account 31st July, 2022 (720 members x £10) to £8,280 in the latest accounts (31st July 2023) 828 members x £10.

Some 108 NEW members?

I find it hard to believe there has been roughly a 15% increase in membership in just one year (as the membership had been in steep decline previously from the 4,000 plus members they claimed they had originally) and suggest that members may wish to check that they too haven't been debited twice in error for their membership fees also.