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631Ken Anderson - update. - Page 22 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Fri Dec 14 2018, 23:42

Sluffy

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On Saturday we welcome Leeds United and their supporters across the Pennines to the University of Bolton Stadium for our latest Sky Bet Championship match.
Buoyed by our recent performances at home to Wigan and against Norwich City at Carrow Road, the players will be in confident mood to put in a performance that we hope will be good enough for a result.
The fixtures are coming thick and fast now that festive period is upon us and I know the players will be doing their utmost pick up the points.
With the game being a ‘Roses’ clash, there will be some extra significance to the contest and I’m sure both sets of fans will be in fine voice to ensure that the atmosphere is intense.
This is where the Wanderers fans have a great part to play, and I’m sure you will be reminding our Yorkshire opponents of your Lancastrian pride!
Tickets are still available for Bolton Wanderers supporters and you can buy them online and print at home by clicking here.

It has been well documented the situation the club was in prior to my arrival and consequently the financial burden of this has had a negative effect on the business. It has been my goal to stabilise the club and try to undo these mistakes from the previous regime, and we have made many positive in-roads in this regard.

Ever since I took ownership, I have only ever done what I believe to be in the best interests of the football club and under the financial constraints we inherited, we have had to cut our cloth accordingly. I know that on occasion, I have had to make tough decisions and made some errors, but whatever decisions I have made are with the best and honest intentions. I only want was is best for this great and historic football club.
It is no secret that this club needs investment to take it to the next level and it is my determination to ensure that this happens. However, as we’ve seen at other football clubs, this takes a lot of time and patience to get over the line.

It is with a degree of reluctance that I have made the decision to suspend the Bolton News’ chief football correspondent Marc Iles’ media access privileges at the club with immediate effect.

Over a prolonged period his coverage of the club both in the paper and on his Twitter account have been negative and an increasing number of his articles have been factually incorrect, which in my opinion causes unnecessary alarm to our supporters and certainly does not aid us in our search for new investment.

An official from the club met up with senior representatives from the Bolton News yesterday to outline our position and you can only imagine my disappointment and frustration when Marc published a tweet this morning which we considered to be unprofessional. To paraphrase Marc’s ‘Enough Is Enough’ paraphrase I decided to suspend his club media privileges until we can find a solution that is beneficial to the long term future of the club.
As I have reiterated to them, this stance does not apply to the Bolton News nor its other members of staff who are welcome to undertake their duties.

I fully expected the Bolton News to be supportive of Marc Iles and I accept that they are not answerable to me; however, they have a duty of care to be fair and balanced and factually correct in their reporting which I dont think has been the case over the last few months.

We want to ensure that our working relationship with the Bolton News stays strong and we can work together on all matters relating to Bolton Wanderers Football Club.

I will not be making any further comments on this matter and our focus is now on Saturday's game.

Ken

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632Ken Anderson - update. - Page 22 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Fri Dec 14 2018, 23:47

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
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You'll not go far in the poetry competition with that Sluffy. It doesn't scan. Very Happy

633Ken Anderson - update. - Page 22 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Fri Dec 14 2018, 23:54

Sluffy

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What ever anyone thinks the facts are these.

His boss was contacted to requested that he tone things down.

The following day on his own personal Twitter account he deliberately commented on the clubs financial update (wages HAD been paid) and chose to accompany the tweet with a picture of Scrooge.

Does anybody really think that was done innocently by Iles?

Does anyone think Anderson would have banned him if he had simply wrote his article first and linked to it on twitter without comment?

Seems blatantly obvious he knew what he was doing - sticking two fingers up to Anderson and daring him - and it wouldn't surprise me that a ban was what he was after to play the role of the martyr (and Twitter hero) to his social media following.

Hardly the behaviour of someone impartial and agendaless.

Is it?

634Ken Anderson - update. - Page 22 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sat Dec 15 2018, 00:08

Growler


Tony Kelly
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It has been well documented the situation the club was in prior to my arrival and consequently the financial burden of this has had a negative effect on the business. It has been my goal to stabilise the club and try to undo these mistakes from the previous regime

Ken

I like that Ken is commenting on the poor state Eddie Davies left the club in.As Ken is a shrewd businessman, It'd be good if he lists some of the worst mistakes made by the previous regime to get a better understanding of their incompetence

635Ken Anderson - update. - Page 22 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sat Dec 15 2018, 00:11

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Nicolas Anelka
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It has been well documented the situation the club was in prior to my arrival and consequently the financial burden of this has had a negative effect on the business. It has been my goal to stabilise the club and try to undo these mistakes from the previous regime

Ken

I like that Ken is commenting on the poor state Eddie Davies left the club in.As Ken is a shrewd businessman, It'd be good if he lists some of the worst mistakes made by the previous regime to get a better understanding of their incompetence
Agreed. He can do that now EDs not here to defend himself and we can't raid him for a few million.

636Ken Anderson - update. - Page 22 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sat Dec 15 2018, 00:24

Sluffy

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:You'll not go far in the poetry competition with that Sluffy. It doesn't scan. Very Happy

Sorry Bonce.

I know the link had been showed above but I thought I print it out so everyone can see it - and highlight the bit where the club ask the paper to get Iles to wind it in a bit.

I know people have their own views on things but it's pretty clear that Iles did what he did today deliberately with his choice of breaking the news on twitter (rather than the paper and link to it) and accompany it with a picture of Scrooge (obviously we ALL know who that was aimed at) was a clear act of defiance on Iles part.

I don't know if he thought he was bomb proof or something but clearly he had gone out of his way to deliberately stick two fingers up at the club owner which clearly isn't acting in a professional or impartial manner.

Hate Ken or not - but he was put in a position where he was forced to act - which he did.

I've wondered if Iles and the ST really though Anderson was vulnerable these last few weeks and that their 'attacks' could topple him?  If so they badly miscalculated as the club was never going to go in Administration with the cash flow significantly improving for the next few months and the three main creditors (Moonshine, James and Warburton) clearly still happy with how KA is running the business.

Clearly there is a long way to go before we are out of the woods financially but the non payment of players wages in November - after just one home game due to the international break (ok we had the Wigan game receipts to come as well but I don't know how quickly they hit the bank in time for wages payment deadlines?) - with loads of money coming in, in December and January (several home games, third tranche of Season Ticket money, EFL's Sky staged payment) was never a good fight to win.  So if Iles and the ST were indeed choosing a battle to fight they certainly picked the wrong one here.

Iles has been provocative and deliberately so - I can't see how KA could have turned a blind eye to this - if he had Iles would clearly have gone much further at pushing things at the next opportunity he got.

As I say hate Anderson as much as you want but what would you do in his shoes when the local papers club reporter clearly is against you and playing to an audience of his twitter mates, seemingly feeling free of all restraints to keep having a go at you?

It's not as though he (and his management ) wasn't warned in advance.

637Ken Anderson - update. - Page 22 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sat Dec 15 2018, 01:22

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Your argument is based on two major assumptions:

1. The clubs creditors are pleased with the way the club is being run - what choice do they have at this moment? What proves their ‘happiness’ exactly?

2. Iles wants to topple the ownership - obviously Iles doesn’t get on with Anderson, but surely he’s free to ask questions given what’s happening at the club. When Ken paid he tweeted ‘good on him’ - you seem to evade that throughout you’re attacks on him.

638Ken Anderson - update. - Page 22 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sat Dec 15 2018, 02:14

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Your argument is based on two major assumptions:

1. The clubs creditors are pleased with the way the club is being run - what choice do they have at this moment? What proves their ‘happiness’ exactly?

2. Iles wants to topple the ownership - obviously Iles doesn’t get on with Anderson, but surely he’s free to ask questions given what’s happening at the club. When Ken paid he tweeted ‘good on him’ - you seem to evade that throughout you’re attacks on him.

1 They have the ability to call in their loans and force him out if they really wanted to. The fact they haven't up to now shows they are happy for him to carry on.

2 Iles should keep his personal opinions and his articles written for the paper separately, in order at least to be seen in the public eye as being impartial.

Better he said nothing about his 'work' - the club on his personal twitter account.

If he had simply wrote his article, put it on the Bolton News site and left it at that - he wouldn't have had a problem. If he did that, then linked to it on his twitter site - again no problem. If he link to the article on his twitter account and put 'good on him', then in the light of his recent articles and tweets (and the tone of the many tweets I've seen him 'like') then it would come across to many as being more facetious, than being a genuinely meant comment - but again he would still just be on the right side of being ok.

Deliberately he went on his own personal twitter account first, after a meeting between his bosses and the club the previous day in respect of his perceived personal behaviour and attitude towards the club (read Anderson), posted his 'comment' and deliberately attached it to a picture of Scrooge.

Anyone knowing what has been going on for quite some time and which has intensified in the last few weeks, could possibly miss the meaning and what was implied by him doing so.

We all know it wasn't an accident what Iles did.

He's clearly was looking for a confrontation of sorts.

These are not the actions of an impartial news reporter.

It is a simple as that.

The paper should have 'pulled' him before it got to this as they must have known he had an agenda and it had already led to comments by the club about inaccurate and misleading reporting even before the meeting with Iles managers on Thursday.

Iles clearly had become a loose cannon and presumably thought he was somehow bomb proof and had the papers backing to carry on attacking/baiting the club owner with impunity I guess - and clearly that was no longer acceptable to Anderson - and rightly so.

I've been commenting about Iles unprofessional behaviour for ages as you well know.

It's not as though he didn't know what he was doing was it?



639Ken Anderson - update. - Page 22 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sat Dec 15 2018, 09:01

Ten Bobsworth


David Lee
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I see lies in this story.
Ken says


'I fully expected the Bolton News to be supportive of Marc Iles and I accept that they are not answerable to me; however, they have a duty of care to be fair and balanced and factually correct in their reporting which I dont think has been the case over the last few months'.

Make that the last 15 years (or more) and Ken Anderson might be a bit closer to the truth. ED usually kept quiet but he had reason to describe newspapers as 'a necessary evil' in 2006.

640Ken Anderson - update. - Page 22 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sat Dec 15 2018, 09:05

Ten Bobsworth


David Lee
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:So Ken's finally lost his rag wth half-truth rabble rousing Iles. Next up will it be Glendenning the BN half-wit that claimed that the money from the sale of Anelka wasn't re-invested or maybe even worse, Citeh-supporting Bonnar?

Meanwhile:

Deano's in the counting house counting out his money
The Trust are in the parlour dreaming bread and honey
Boncey's in the garden suffering with his piles
Now isn't that a dainty dish to please young Marco Iles
The Bonce is really smarting
At Bobsworth's cruel rancour
Despite his piles
Bonce knows the truth
King Ken's a little wanker.
If your smarting Bonce, ask Nurse Natasha for some ointment. I'm sure she'd oblige

641Ken Anderson - update. - Page 22 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sat Dec 15 2018, 09:13

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker
1. Why would they call in their loans? They know the club is hand to mouth, calling in the loans will just crash the club and force admin. The fact they haven’t done that is not a glowing endorsement of Ken, your clutching at straws again.

2. Iles has no obligation to be impartial - you’ve come round with this a few times. He’s a journalist, he’s paid to write his opinions - the issue is you think KA is devoid of any criticism because you’ve spent the last two years crafting a narrative that excuses any questionable going on at the club.

642Ken Anderson - update. - Page 22 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sat Dec 15 2018, 10:11

Norpig

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Nat Lofthouse
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:There was a young man called Norpig
Who went behind the bins for a cig
KP pulled out his knob
Gave a blow job
And home went a very happy Pig

i'm honoured to be your muse Nat i knew i would wear you down in the end, thanks for calling me young as well!

643Ken Anderson - update. - Page 22 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sat Dec 15 2018, 10:17

Norpig

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iles's job its to reflect the feelings of the papers readership and in turn Bolton fans. Someone has to question KA and his inability to pay the wages and the way he's lurching from one crisis to another and it should be the local paper doing this.

Going to be a poisonous attitude at the game today but i bet neither Anderson will be there.

644Ken Anderson - update. - Page 22 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sat Dec 15 2018, 10:26

Ten Bobsworth


David Lee
David Lee
Here's an extract from Marc Iles defence:

'When the dust settled, I looked back at what I had written, the questions I had put to the former ownership before the major problems took hold and asked myself: Was it really good enough? I admit it was not.

So when new ownership came in, I made a promise that I would raise my own game, be more analytical, make sure the people in charge of the club were answerable for the decisions they made. I believe I owed that to the readership of the newspaper.'

Did he ask Dean Holdsworth what previous experience he had to justify his appointment, on a starting salary of £250K, to be CEO of a group of companies with a £30million turnover?

Did he ask and report on the terms of the Blumarble loan that were such an immediate problem after the takeover?

Did he ask about the further £250,000 paid to Holdsworth two months after the takeover?

Did he ask about the link between the £525,000 Inner Circle consultancy fee and  the £472,000 paid for Holdsworth's shares?

Did he ask how much Holdsworth's involvement had cost the club out of its very limited cash resources?

Marc Iles had been the full-time reporter on BWFC for several years when, in the summer of this year, he told his ill-informed readership that Gordon Hargreaves had funded the buildiing of the Reebok, ignoring the fact that it was built on debt repaid by Eddie Davies.

Are these the failngs of someone who has upped their game and tried to get to the whole truth and report it fairly and impartially? Not in my book, I'm afraid.

645Ken Anderson - update. - Page 22 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sat Dec 15 2018, 10:42

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Lets face it Iles is never going to win a Pulitzer for his reporting but why does he have to be impartial? Journalists are meant to get to the real story and not just expect to toe the line.

All this defending on here of KA at the moment puzzies me, it's like he can do no wrong. Yes he came in and saved the club and made some hard decisions but he's dragging his feet now to get the most out of a sale and looking greedy and more like the second hand car salesman he was called before he took over.

646Ken Anderson - update. - Page 22 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sat Dec 15 2018, 11:02

wanderlust


Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
In the interest of balance you should read Iles' full article in the BN as he makes a good case whilst being reconciliatory.

647Ken Anderson - update. - Page 22 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sat Dec 15 2018, 11:07

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
i'd read it before i commented Lusty and yes it wasn't a good idea to post the muppets GIF.

648Ken Anderson - update. - Page 22 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sun Dec 16 2018, 08:37

Ten Bobsworth


David Lee
David Lee
If Eddie Davies thought newspapers 'a necessary evil' one can but wonder what he thought of Twitter.

So called football finance expert Kieran Maguire was on Twitter on Friday re-tweeting what seems to have been a tweet from Marc Iles that I cannot find on Iles Twitter page. Here it is:

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PriceOfFootball Retweeted Marc Iles

'If Bolton owner Ken Anderson, who paid himself £525,000 & his son £125,000 but salaries have gone unpaid in November, thinks that banning the local journalist from the club is good management, governance & PR, he is wrong. Job of the press is to question those in power.'

Let's just take Superagent first. His Twitter account has been quiet since 6 December which is unusual. But Ken Anderson declared, as he should have done, a payment of £125,000 to Athos Group in the year ended 30 June 2017 confirming also that the Athos Group is owned by a family member.

Lets assume that the Athos Group is a one-man band consisting solely of Lee Anderson with no other employees and no business expenses. Is £125K excessive compared to the costs of paying unrelated agents for the same services? Having regard to agents costs the club has had to pay in the past, I'd have to cast some doubt on that.

Now lets turn to the £525K. Marc Iles knows (because I personally raised the issue in his presence about six months ago) that there's an evident link between the £525K (before tax) consultancy fee and the £472K needed to pay off Dean Holdsworth and reach an accomodation with Blumarble (including agreement to reduce the interest charges by a significantly larger sum).

Interestingly, the audited 2017 accounts show again (it was first reported in the 2016 accounts) another amount of £250K paid to Sports Shield BWFC in May 2016 which seems to be additional to the £472K.

So why has Marc Iles raised no questions on any of this? Has he, in reality, been playing to the gallery of uninformed hotheads until Ken Anderson could no longer tolerate the personal abuse of himself and his family that were the inevitable and predictable consequence?

Will it just be the Anderson family that pays the price of BN carelessness or will it have accelerated and magnified the financial problems and concerns the club and its employees clearly face? I'm concerned that it may have done exactly that.

649Ken Anderson - update. - Page 22 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sun Dec 16 2018, 09:54

Sluffy

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Just had a look at the tweet.

Maguire is a lecturer of Football Finance at the University of Liverpool and a twitter mate and supporter of Iles.  

Seems he thinks he knows it all by how he tweets - clearly he knows nothing much about the £525,000 as evidenced in the time line of his very own tweet!!!

Maguire as highlighted Iles tweet reporting that he had been banned by the club (Iles had previously been in a twitter conversation with Maguire about these two payments in the body of a tweet some while back (that's probably why you can't find it Ten Bob) - but it was brought to the attention of KA at the time - and he did mention it publicly at the time in one of his Chairman's Notes (iirc) as evidence of Iles shit stirring on things he clearly had no understanding of) and again regurgitated this unproven inference that Anderson's have been taking wages whilst at the same time not paying the players.

So much for him being knowledgeable about the facts (he's clear not researched the matter himself) or his professionalism by simply taking it as gospel because someone as said that was the case on twitter!

If you expand the tweet to view the comments you will note one from someone who clearly reads Nuts - 'Boltonforever' - who has provided him with screenshots of your post on here where you list a number of 'clues' about Holdsworth sudden and unexplained wealth in his Sport Shield companies.

Interestingly Maguire seems not to have responded to that - maybe he will in time/maybe not?

Note for those looking for the conversation between Boltonforever and Maguire - I don't know if twitter is the same for everybody (I assume it is?) but Boltonforever's tweets always appear under 'show more replies' at the bottom of the threads for me - and on this occasion you also need to hunt down replies he's made to Maguire's tweet showing a picture of the clubs accounts.  BFE made about four or five separate posts altogether.

Fair play to you BFE, I certainly wouldn't waste my time trying to convince some smug know it all on twitter that he doesn't know the full story of what he's talking about.

650Ken Anderson - update. - Page 22 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sun Dec 16 2018, 10:18

Ten Bobsworth


David Lee
David Lee
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Just had a look at the tweet.

Maguire is a lecturer of Football Finance at the University of Liverpool and a twitter mate and supporter of Iles.  

Seems he thinks he knows it all by how he tweets - clearly he knows nothing much about the £525,000 as evidenced in the time line of his very own tweet!!!

Maguire as highlighted Iles tweet reporting that he had been banned by the club (Iles had previously been in a twitter conversation with Maguire about these two payments in the body of a tweet some while back (that's probably why you can't find it Ten Bob) - but it was brought to the attention of KA at the time - and he did mention it publicly at the time in one of his Chairman's Notes (iirc) as evidence of Iles shit stirring on things he clearly had no understanding of) and again regurgitated this unproven inference that Anderson's have been taking wages whilst at the same time not paying the players.

So much for him being knowledgeable about the facts (he's clear not researched the matter himself) or his professionalism by simply taking it as gospel because someone as said that was the case on twitter!

If you expand the tweet to view the comments you will note one from someone who clearly reads Nuts - 'Boltonforever' - who has provided him with screenshots of your post on here where you list a number of 'clues' about Holdsworth sudden and unexplained wealth in his Sport Shield companies.

Interestingly Maguire seems not to have responded to that - maybe he will in time/maybe not?

Note for those looking for the conversation between Boltonforever and Maguire - I don't know if twitter is the same for everybody (I assume it is?) but Boltonforever's tweets always appear under 'show more replies' at the bottom of the threads for me - and on this occasion you also need to hunt down replies he's made to Maguire's tweet showing a picture of the clubs accounts.  BFE made about four or five separate posts altogether.

Fair play to you BFE, I certainly wouldn't waste my time trying to convince some smug know it all on twitter that he doesn't know the full story of what he's talking about.
Thanks for that Sluffy. I'm not registered on Twitter (and don't intend to be) but I'll look up what I can when I have a bit more time. I've been looking into Dean Holdsworth's activities before he 'saved' BWFC. Very interesting it is too!

I'm a bit of an amateur at this IT lark but why can I not attach links on Nuts any longer?

651Ken Anderson - update. - Page 22 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sun Dec 16 2018, 10:44

Sluffy

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Thanks for that Sluffy. I'm not registered on Twitter (and don't intend to be) but I'll look up what I can when I have a bit more time. I've been looking into Dean Holdsworth's activities before he 'saved' BWFC. Very interesting it is too!

I'm a bit of an amateur at this IT lark but why can I not attach links on Nuts any longer?

Don't know Ten Bob you should be able to?

If this works below, I've attached a link to Maguire's Twitter account that I think you should be able to access even though you are not on twitter.

If it works scroll down a bit where he has the Iles tweet - then click on his text (not Iles tweet) and it should open the thread so you can see the replies.

As I've said Boltonforever appears under the 'more replies' link and you will see his other tweets in two other places, the first being under '2 more replies' and the second where Maguire rather patronisingly tweets 'The accounts are lying?' - click on the text of Maguire's not the copy of the accounts shown.

Hope this works -

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If you do have trouble with links please let Karly know and I'm sure he will sort it out for you.

652Ken Anderson - update. - Page 22 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sun Dec 16 2018, 10:52

wanderlust


Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
And so the complete and utter unsubstantiated speculation about the supposed motives of Iles, Deano, Maguire, ED and anyone else it suits continues unfettered and unabated but the second anyone questions Anderson’s motives we’re in lockdown.

Typical.

653Ken Anderson - update. - Page 22 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sun Dec 16 2018, 11:03

T.R.O.Y


Andy Walker
Andy Walker
A football finance lecturer makes two tweets about the club (amongst many others about clubs throughout the footballs league). Instantly he’s dismissed as - smug know it all, mate/supporter of Iles, unprofessional and unknowledgeable. As I’ve said before this is Trump like behaviour, and ridiculous.

We don’t know all the facts, Maguire was commenting off the club accounts which seems an obvious place to start to me. Maybe there is more to the fee, but it’s out of line to attack the character of a man simply for not following your narrative.

654Ken Anderson - update. - Page 22 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sun Dec 16 2018, 11:39

Ten Bobsworth


David Lee
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Thanks for that Sluffy. I'm not registered on Twitter (and don't intend to be) but I'll look up what I can when I have a bit more time. I've been looking into Dean Holdsworth's activities before he 'saved' BWFC. Very interesting it is too!

I'm a bit of an amateur at this IT lark but why can I not attach links on Nuts any longer?

Don't know Ten Bob you should be able to?

If this works below, I've attached a link to Maguire's Twitter account that I think you should be able to access even though you are not on twitter.

If it works scroll down a bit where he has the Iles tweet - then click on his text (not Iles tweet) and it should open the thread so you can see the replies. Spotting the clues.

As I've said Boltonforever appears under the 'more replies' link and you will see his other tweets in two other places, the first being under '2 more replies' and the second where Maguire rather patronisingly tweets 'The accounts are lying?' - click on the text of Maguire's not the copy of the accounts shown.

Hope this works -

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If you do have trouble with links please let Karly know and I'm sure he will sort it out for you.

Sorted it now thanks, Sluffy. When I went to school we had ink monitors so getting my head round all this new-fangled stuff brings about the odd senior moment now and then.

It seems Maguire's an academic and the problem with some of them is they often don't have a lot of practical experience. Anyone can report what the figures say. That's dead easy. The real skill lies in recognising things that need a bit more scrutiny. Spotting the clues.

655Ken Anderson - update. - Page 22 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sun Dec 16 2018, 12:12

Sluffy

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Sorted it now thanks, Sluffy. When I went to school we had ink monitors so getting my head round all this new-fangled stuff brings about the odd senior moment now and then.

It seems Maguire's an academic and the problem with some of them is they often don't have a lot of practical experience.

Ink monitors in my day too, so we must be of the same generation.

One of the hardest of hard core Anti-Anderson haters who I obviously won't name, but you will have read his 'contributions' on other sites, is a college lecturer.

As I've mentioned before I do like sayings and believe there is more than a semblance of truth that underlie them so maybe there is something in the old adage that - 'He who can does; he who cannot, teaches' (George Bernard Shaw).

As for my two camp followers please feel free to ignore them. They are only trolling looking for a response from me, with one of them apparently really believing what he types(!) and the other just here for an argument.


656Ken Anderson - update. - Page 22 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sun Dec 16 2018, 12:24

T.R.O.Y


Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Easier to stick your head in the sand than actually address other opinions.

657Ken Anderson - update. - Page 22 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sun Dec 16 2018, 12:39

Sluffy

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Easier to stick your head in the sand than actually address other opinions.

I'm happy to address anybody's opinions but we both know why you are here and I'm not prepared to play your game for your amusement.

For what it is worth I read the twitter conversations between Maguire and Iles which so incensed Anderson and I fully agreed with him.  Two so called professionals discussing someone else business on a public social network site with both of them not knowing the facts of what they were talking about!

I doubt either gives a toss what I think but I doubt you'd be over the moon if two people supposedly clued up about such things were talking uninformed bollocks about your business.  I know I would.

658Ken Anderson - update. - Page 22 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sun Dec 16 2018, 13:11

Ten Bobsworth


David Lee
David Lee
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Sorted it now thanks, Sluffy. When I went to school we had ink monitors so getting my head round all this new-fangled stuff brings about the odd senior moment now and then.

It seems Maguire's an academic and the problem with some of them is they often don't have a lot of practical experience.

Ink monitors in my day too, so we must be of the same generation.

One of the hardest of hard core Anti-Anderson haters who I obviously won't name, but you will have read his 'contributions' on other sites, is a college lecturer.

As I've mentioned before I do like sayings and believe there is more than a semblance of truth that underlie them so maybe there is something in the old adage that - 'He who can does; he who cannot, teaches' (George Bernard Shaw).

As for my two camp followers please feel free to ignore them.  They are only trolling looking for a response from me, with one of them apparently really believing what he types(!) and the other just here for an argument.


I thought of the GBS saying myself but I slightly prefer Mrs Jobsworth's observation of academics as 'untainted by experience'.

One academic historian of my acquaintance, an eminently decent man sadly now deceased, wrote a book in which he commented on some work I had done in favourable terms.  I would have been pleased if I had thought that he had understood more than 10% of what had really happened.

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Andy Walker
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Easier to stick your head in the sand than actually address other opinions.

I'm happy to address anybody's opinions but we both know why you are here and I'm not prepared to play your game for your amusement.

For what it is worth I read the twitter conversations between Maguire and Iles which so incensed Anderson and I fully agreed with him.  Two so called professionals discussing someone else business on a public social network site with both of them not knowing the facts of what they were talking about!

I doubt either gives a toss what I think but I doubt you'd be over the moon if two people supposedly clued up about such things were talking uninformed bollocks about your business.  I know I would.

Could you link me to the Maguire and Iles conversation please.

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Sluffy

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Easier to stick your head in the sand than actually address other opinions.

I'm happy to address anybody's opinions but we both know why you are here and I'm not prepared to play your game for your amusement.

For what it is worth I read the twitter conversations between Maguire and Iles which so incensed Anderson and I fully agreed with him.  Two so called professionals discussing someone else business on a public social network site with both of them not knowing the facts of what they were talking about!

I doubt either gives a toss what I think but I doubt you'd be over the moon if two people supposedly clued up about such things were talking uninformed bollocks about your business.  I know I would.

Could you link me to the Maguire and Iles conversation please.

I've not got the time or interest to do so.

I do recall it was in the body of a twitter thread someone posted, I think to do with Maguires charts on Directors earnings.  I think he originally posted that there had been no Directors earnings at the club then someone (Iles?  I can't recall now) 'informed' Maguire that the club had paid a 'consultation' fee to one of Anderson's companies.  So Maguire amended his charts to make it look as though a club just barely avoiding relegation to the third tier had a chairman with one of footballs biggest directors payment made to him - which sparked a load of abuse against KA from the usual suspects on twitter and has been used ever since to stoke up the anti-Anderson feeling that now largely prevails against him.

It was something along those lines anyway.

If you wish to trawl through Anderson's statements until you find his remarks about Iles and Maguire, then that will give you an approximate date of when the tweets between the two were first made in this respect.

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