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31Hull 6-0 Bolton - Page 2 Empty Re: Hull 6-0 Bolton on Tue Jan 01 2019, 19:25

karlypants

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Nat Lofthouse
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:What a load of bollocks he spouts, never admits ineptness and back handedly blames the players, no it's your fucking neanderthal tactics you fucking goon.

While I think it's time for him to go, you don't lose 6-0 just because of tactics.

The players have to take the majority of the blame.

The players are at a low point with absolutely fuck all morale with Parky in charge.

32Hull 6-0 Bolton - Page 2 Empty Re: Hull 6-0 Bolton on Tue Jan 01 2019, 19:26

MartinBWFC

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Frank Worthington
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While I think it's time for him to go, you don't lose 6-0 just because of tactics.

The players have to take the majority of the blame.
It has everything to do with tactics, we were cut open in midfield today by his set up, all their goals came from them carving us up down the middle, now that's him having round pegs in square holes i.e Vela is not nor ever will be a central midfield player.

33Hull 6-0 Bolton - Page 2 Empty Re: Hull 6-0 Bolton on Tue Jan 01 2019, 19:30

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:It has everything to do with tactics, we were cut open in midfield today by his set up, all their goals came from them carving us up down the middle, now that's him having round pegs in square holes i.e Vela is not nor ever will be a central midfield player.

I know you dislike the manager, but the players are equally culpable. The manager can't be blamed for defensive howlers and forwards skying shots from 6 yards out.

He should go, but the players should all be sacked as well.

34Hull 6-0 Bolton - Page 2 Empty Re: Hull 6-0 Bolton on Tue Jan 01 2019, 19:36

MartinBWFC

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Frank Worthington
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
I know you dislike the manager, but the players are equally culpable. The manager can't be blamed for defensive howlers and forwards skying shots from 6 yards out.

He should go, but the players should all be sacked as well.
I'm willing to bet that with a decent manager, these players when set up correctly could finish well outside the bottom 3, keep this clown and we'll be stuck there.

35Hull 6-0 Bolton - Page 2 Empty Re: Hull 6-0 Bolton on Tue Jan 01 2019, 19:45

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I'm willing to bet that with a decent manager, these players when set up correctly could finish well outside the bottom 3, keep this clown and we'll be stuck there.

I totally agree, but if a striker who was previously hitting row Z suddenly starts hitting the back of the net, that player was under-performing. And that isn't about tactics.

36Hull 6-0 Bolton - Page 2 Empty Re: Hull 6-0 Bolton on Tue Jan 01 2019, 19:58

luckyPeterpiper

luckyPeterpiper
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
I'm with Nat on this. I believe phil should go immediately but the players are NOT earning their wage regardless of tactics and how they set up. Frankly I'm even wondering how they dare to complain about being paid late when they perform so badly. In my opinion they too should be sacked for gross incompetence and replaced by people who at least look like they care.

37Hull 6-0 Bolton - Page 2 Empty Re: Hull 6-0 Bolton on Tue Jan 01 2019, 20:12

BoltonTillIDie

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Match report.  We were shite.

38Hull 6-0 Bolton - Page 2 Empty Re: Hull 6-0 Bolton on Tue Jan 01 2019, 20:16

MartinBWFC

MartinBWFC
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
Whoevers in charge of Nuts banners please fucking change the present one, it's sickening.

39Hull 6-0 Bolton - Page 2 Empty Re: Hull 6-0 Bolton on Tue Jan 01 2019, 20:30

T.R.O.Y


Andy Walker
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Whoevers in charge of Nuts banners please fucking change the present one, it's sickening.

Parky deserves respect for the way he’s handled a very testing situation at the club, you need to calm down.

Second half sounded abysmal, we need new faces in a January one way or another.

40Hull 6-0 Bolton - Page 2 Empty Re: Hull 6-0 Bolton on Tue Jan 01 2019, 20:37

bryan458

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Tony Kelly
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Whoevers in charge of Nuts banners please fucking change the present one, it's sickening.

Parky deserves respect for the way he’s handled a very testing situation at the club, you need to calm down.

Second half sounded abysmal, we need new faces in a January one way or another.
Starting with a replacement for Parkinson  Mad

41Hull 6-0 Bolton - Page 2 Empty Re: Hull 6-0 Bolton on Tue Jan 01 2019, 20:40

T.R.O.Y


Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Personally I think a couple of decent players would give us a better chance than swapping manager but we’ll see. Can’t see Ken doing either to be honest.

42Hull 6-0 Bolton - Page 2 Empty Re: Hull 6-0 Bolton on Tue Jan 01 2019, 21:54

observer


Andy Walker
Andy Walker
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Match report.  We were shite.
More words than shots on target.  Enough said!

43Hull 6-0 Bolton - Page 2 Empty Re: Hull 6-0 Bolton on Tue Jan 01 2019, 22:42

Growler


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
I wonder if Ken will  come out of hiding and show some leadership.Perhaps he could give us his marks out of ten for todays performance.

44Hull 6-0 Bolton - Page 2 Empty Re: Hull 6-0 Bolton on Wed Jan 02 2019, 00:13

wanderlust


Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Fact is we have an owner who has cut his cloth to suit his financial standing, sold our best prospects and left us with a lack of quality all over the pitch and a manager who is in post more because of his affordability than anything else.
Sack the manager and sack the players is all well and good, but they are all Anderson can afford and if we get rid of the staff now we'll have nothing.
The only possible solution is for Anderson to sell up and piss off and even if it involves going into administration to make that happen at least there will be a chance of us getting picked up by an owner willing to invest in the club, playing staff and manager rather than continually make cutbacks.
Personally I'd prefer to take a chance on administration rather than endure this agonisingly slow and relentless strangulation of BWFC.

45Hull 6-0 Bolton - Page 2 Empty Re: Hull 6-0 Bolton on Wed Jan 02 2019, 04:55

luckyPeterpiper

luckyPeterpiper
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
How did I know you'd manage to turn this into another of your famous "Ken is Satan" rants lusty?

Frankly at this moment I don't care who the chairman is or how much we do or don't have. The fact is the manager is completely clueless and the players are either incompetent or simply don't care. In all truth I think we'd see more pride and effort if we trawled the local pub teams and gave some of the Sunday league lads a shot.

I never expect us to light up the world, BWFC fans over 40 know better than that but I do expect and require that the men wearing the shirt act like men, not frightened children who want daddy to check under the bed for monsters. Unfortunately this team appears to be schizophrenic. Last week against Rotherham and in the following match against Stoke they looked like they'd found their feet and maybe even some self belief. Against Hull they folded up like wet tissue paper in ten second half minutes as if they were suddenly terrified of that weird round thing bouncing around on the grass.

I'm angry because they literally rolled over and died and no matter how bad the manager might be only the players themselves can be blamed when that happens. Not the chairman, not the board, not the manager or the fans. We desperately need new faces, perhaps all the way from the boardroom down but my first priority now would be to start with a change of playing personnel and if possible a change of manager during this window.

And yes lusty, I remain fully aware of the apparent limitations on Ken's pocket book and the clubs so I don't know how we're going to do that, I only know we must if we're to survive in this division.

46Hull 6-0 Bolton - Page 2 Empty Re: Hull 6-0 Bolton on Wed Jan 02 2019, 06:35

Growler


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Personally I'd prefer to take a chance on administration rather than endure this agonisingly slow and relentless strangulation of BWFC.
So would I.Barring a freak crop of gifted youth players our team is guaranteed to be 3rd or 4th Division  standard while Ken is owner.He is either too poor or too mean to pay for 2nd tier standard players despite making over £10 million profit on player sales while he has been owner.
I would prefer to take a punt on administration now than carry on indefinitely under Ken

47Hull 6-0 Bolton - Page 2 Empty Re: Hull 6-0 Bolton on Wed Jan 02 2019, 08:52

okocha

okocha
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
Have to agree with Wanderlust and Growler: BWFC is in danger of folding if it cannot pay its debts, its staff or its players, many of whom seem worse than last year's crop and would be replaced if only we had the wherewithal to do so. Wild variations in performance is almost schizophrenic. 
The club's stewardship is not able to function at the level required. Lashing out at the local newspaper reporter is just one small sign of inability to cope.

48Hull 6-0 Bolton - Page 2 Empty Re: Hull 6-0 Bolton on Wed Jan 02 2019, 09:39

wanderlust


Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:How did I know you'd manage to turn this into another of your famous "Ken is Satan" rants lusty?

Frankly at this moment I don't care who the chairman is or how much we do or don't have. 
a) It wasn't a "rant" (aka the terminology you like trot out every time I point out the bleeding obvious in a failed attempt to undermine my credibility). Anderson does not have the financial means or business acumen to sustain a football club of our previous stature as evidenced by our continued decline both in the quality on the pitch and as a business off it - a point also made by many respected observers of the game including a host of former players, managers and others associated with the club.
b) you need to start caring about the ownership of the club if you care for the club itself, because there are no realistically attainable outcomes that will turn the club around whilst Anderson remains at the helm. If I am wrong, please paint us a picture of the scenario by which Anderson can save us.
c) I have mentioned that I had heard from a reliable source that Anderson is only in it for the payoff and that his personal demands on that front and his obnoxious manner of conducting business were the sole reason we weren't bought by Ron Burkle and his team of turnaround specialists. Now I've recently read (on WW) that someone else had heard that Anderson's greed also put paid to the wealthy Saudis who showed an interest. There is a possibility that both sources are wrong (albeit unlikely IMO as Anderson himself said there were two credible investors who subsequently disappeared) however the implications of that are that we will continue to decline unless Anderson falls on his sword as he continues to piss off investors and then attempt to discredit them in the local rag to justify his inaction.

I'm just saying that if it looks like shit, smells like shit and tastes like shit the chances are it's shit.
But having said that pretty much since Anderson took over, I will repeat what I said to others who think that Anderson has any chance whatsoever of making a success of BWFC - time will tell.

49Hull 6-0 Bolton - Page 2 Empty Re: Hull 6-0 Bolton on Wed Jan 02 2019, 11:10

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Yes the squad is not great but the job of a manager is to get the best of what he has to work with and it's clear Parky is not able to do that now. Its time to change the manager and see if someone else can find a way of getting results.  

With Parky in charge we are going down so we may as well roll the dice and change the manager. His excuses after yesterdays game are embarrassing, all teams have played the same number of games over xmas, didn't affect Hill too much did it?

50Hull 6-0 Bolton - Page 2 Empty Re: Hull 6-0 Bolton on Wed Jan 02 2019, 14:53

terenceanne

terenceanne
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
Had the pleasure of watching it on ifollow....... here's our tactics......no matter where the midfielder is on the pitch...immediately pass it back to the goalie who will than hoof it up the park. Hope for the nod on. If that doesn't work bring on the smallest guy in football at halftime.....continue with the above strategy.
We can only conclude that Ken is happy with this. Maybe the whole thing is some sort of tax write-off. It now defies any logic.

51Hull 6-0 Bolton - Page 2 Empty Re: Hull 6-0 Bolton on Wed Jan 02 2019, 15:08

MartinBWFC

MartinBWFC
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
Parkinson is teflon, Ken doesn't give a fuck, he's looking to bail so won't invest anything including ridding us of this incompetent tool, what does he care what division we are playing in? he's bought a basket case and now realising it he's fucked, another liquidation or administration will not be too far away, thanks for fuck all Ken.

52Hull 6-0 Bolton - Page 2 Empty Re: Hull 6-0 Bolton on Wed Jan 02 2019, 15:15

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Parkinson is teflon, Ken doesn't give a fuck

Are you in contact with Ken?

53Hull 6-0 Bolton - Page 2 Empty Re: Hull 6-0 Bolton on Wed Jan 02 2019, 15:37

MartinBWFC

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Frank Worthington
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Are you in contact with Ken?
Don't need to be to know that at any other club Parkinson would have been binned long ago.

54Hull 6-0 Bolton - Page 2 Empty Re: Hull 6-0 Bolton on Wed Jan 02 2019, 15:55

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Jesus Martin. You sound as though you are going to have a breakdown!

55Hull 6-0 Bolton - Page 2 Empty Re: Hull 6-0 Bolton on Wed Jan 02 2019, 16:10

wanderlust


Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Yes the squad is not great but the job of a manager is to get the best of what he has to work with and it's clear Parky is not able to do that now. Its time to change the manager and see if someone else can find a way of getting results.  

With Parky in charge we are going down so we may as well roll the dice and change the manager. His excuses after yesterdays game are embarrassing, all teams have played the same number of games over xmas, didn't affect Hill too much did it?
You're right, but you are assuming that Anderson can afford to pay Parky off and buy a new manager and personally I don't think he can so I reckon we're stuck with him.
Changing the manager won't change the lack of quality on the pitch anyway and I tend to agree with Iles in that for the most part (with a few notable exceptions) the effort has been there, but not the quality.
The situation is worsened by the fact that Anderson is unlikely to be able to find the money to buy the quality we need anyway so as mentioned on many occasions, we have few options.
One option that is possibly available is if Parky walks without taking his contractual payoff and then we could give Jimmy Phillips another shot - or even David Lee. Couldn't be much worse than losing 6 nil could it?

56Hull 6-0 Bolton - Page 2 Empty Re: Hull 6-0 Bolton on Wed Jan 02 2019, 16:19

observer


Andy Walker
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Yes the squad is not great but the job of a manager is to get the best of what he has to work with and it's clear Parky is not able to do that now. Its time to change the manager and see if someone else can find a way of getting results.  

With Parky in charge we are going down so we may as well roll the dice and change the manager. His excuses after yesterdays game are embarrassing, all teams have played the same number of games over xmas, didn't affect Hill too much did it?
You're right, but you are assuming that Anderson can afford to pay Parky off and buy a new manager and personally I don't think he can so I reckon we're stuck with him.
Changing the manager won't change the lack of quality on the pitch anyway and I tend to agree with Iles in that for the most part (with a few notable exceptions) the effort has been there, but not the quality.
The situation is worsened by the fact that Anderson is unlikely to be able to find the money to buy the quality we need anyway so as mentioned on many occasions, we have few options.
One option that is possibly available is if Parky walks without taking his contractual payoff and then we could give Jimmy Phillips another shot - or even David Lee. Couldn't be much worse than losing 6 nil could it?
We had the quality the first month... so what happened?

57Hull 6-0 Bolton - Page 2 Empty Re: Hull 6-0 Bolton on Wed Jan 02 2019, 16:28

Sluffy

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Yes the squad is not great but the job of a manager is to get the best of what he has to work with and it's clear Parky is not able to do that now. Its time to change the manager and see if someone else can find a way of getting results.  

With Parky in charge we are going down so we may as well roll the dice and change the manager. His excuses after yesterdays game are embarrassing, all teams have played the same number of games over xmas, didn't affect Hill too much did it?
You're right, but you are assuming that Anderson can afford to pay Parky off and buy a new manager and personally I don't think he can so I reckon we're stuck with him.
Changing the manager won't change the lack of quality on the pitch anyway and I tend to agree with Iles in that for the most part (with a few notable exceptions) the effort has been there, but not the quality.
The situation is worsened by the fact that Anderson is unlikely to be able to find the money to buy the quality we need anyway so as mentioned on many occasions, we have few options.
One option that is possibly available is if Parky walks without taking his contractual payoff and then we could give Jimmy Phillips another shot - or even David Lee. Couldn't be much worse than losing 6 nil could it?
We had the quality the first month... so what happened?

Have you not worked Wanderlust's moronic rantings out by now Obs???

As for his bollocks about Jimmy Philips being better than any manager losing 6-0.

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58Hull 6-0 Bolton - Page 2 Empty Re: Hull 6-0 Bolton on Wed Jan 02 2019, 17:30

Growler


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Pa, Ken doesn't give a fuck, he's looking to bail so won't invest anything including ridding us of this incompetent tool, what does he care what division we are playing in? he's bought a basket case and now realising it he's fucked, 

That's been his policy since day one.It took him over 2 years to pay a transfer fee and that was only 200k on the crap 3rd Div standard Magenniss after selling Clough, Holding and Madine for over £11 million.

59Hull 6-0 Bolton - Page 2 Empty Re: Hull 6-0 Bolton on Wed Jan 02 2019, 20:01

doffcocker

doffcocker
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
It's hard to defend anybody involved in a performance like that but the question remains, what could realistically improve if Parkinson were to go, and how?

The football is horrendous, and has been from day one, it can't be disputed but it's as though people think we're still in a position to pay managers off, tempt in the new flavour of the month, give him a few million to spend and continue to repeat the process until everybody's happy.

Basically, any Parkinson replacement would have to work with what we've already got. And it's easy to write stuff on here about where he has fucked up tactically but it doesn't mean jack shit really. I mean a lot of people are annoyed that Oztumer isn't getting games (not saying they're wrong). But he came on at half time when we were 1-0 down, and it finished 6-0. It doesn't prove or disprove anything no, but it doesn't exactly strengthen the argument that we've got the players and all we need's a manager to come in and tweak a few things.

60Hull 6-0 Bolton - Page 2 Empty Re: Hull 6-0 Bolton on Wed Jan 02 2019, 20:31

doffcocker

doffcocker
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Yes the squad is not great but the job of a manager is to get the best of what he has to work with and it's clear Parky is not able to do that now. Its time to change the manager and see if someone else can find a way of getting results.  

I understand and share your frustration, but presumably if you had a powercut, you wouldn't just keep swapping lightbulbs expecting one to eventually work.

It's one thing saying this team isn't that bad man for man - you're entitled to your opinion if that's genuinely what you believe - I just don't get how anybody can reasonably think that. And if you did, surely that alone warrants some credit for Parky, building a Championship worthy squad under a transfer embargo, spending only £200k and selling £11m worth of players isn't bad going.

But just looking through the team that went to Hull, we've got a 35 year old, a 34 year old, a 31 year old, all unwanted by their previous Championship clubs for what I think are obvious reasons, a couple of loanees, one of which has come from a couple of divisions down. It's laughable really when you look at what some clubs are spending.

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