Brexit negotiations

xmiles wrote:Even the government admits that a no deal brexit will be a disaster:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47379308

It's more of a threat than an admission. How else do you think they'll push May's crap deal through if they don't highlight that the only choices they'll allow to be discussed are either a) crap or b) worse?

It's all a guess.

I guess the prospect of leaving the EU isn't going to slow down immigration given the latest figures.

wanderlust wrote:I guess the prospect of leaving the EU isn't going to slow down immigration given the latest figures.

Yes it's ironic that all those racists who voted leave are going to see more non-European immigrants now to replace the EU workers the country needs.

From the New York Times:

LONDON — Brexit. Brexit? Brexit! BREXIT!? The Backstop! Norway Plus! Canada Minus? The Cooper Amendment! The Malthouse Compromise? The Kyle-Wilson Amendment! Hard Brexit! Soft Brexit! No deal? Brexiteer! Remoaner! BREXIT!!?? Aaaargh.
It has come down to this with a few weeks to go until the March 29 deadline for Britain to leave the European Union, as it voted to do almost three years ago: a jumble of jargon, jousting and gibberish, with everyone sucked into the vortex of confusion, to the exclusion of every other issue in the world. Britain’s biggest political parties are splintering, and there is clarity only on the fact that nobody has a clue what is about to happen.
So much for the panacea offered in 2016 by leaders of the Vote Leave campaign — a land of milk and honey in which an island liberated from European shackles would become “Global Britain,” money would flow, impetigo would be cured, children would become more beautiful, the soil more bountiful, and the world Britain’s oyster. These days, the fantasy has sagged into a mumbled, “Well, Brexit is not the end of the world.” So much for the “Take Back Control” slogan Brexiteers wielded in 2016 to foist every frustration of voters onto Brussels. In fact, the best the Tory government could come up with over negotiations consuming the entire political energy (and untold treasure) of this country is a kick-the-can measure designed to avert the calamity of a no-deal Brexit.
This, absent an accord or deferral, would involve Britain crashing out of the union on March 29 into a void. Bring it on! So say the hard-line Tories in May’s party, their appetite for destruction not yet sated. Many of them are members of the European Research Group, an entity whose anodyne name masks its pro-Brexit zeal. It has apparently never heard of a multinational supply chain.
Honda’s recent decision to close a plant in Swindon with the loss of 3,500 jobs — unrelated, it says, to Brexit (ha-ha) — and Nissan’s recent retrenchment are signs, along with slower growth and lower investment, of the price Britain has already paid for uncertainty. No-deal Brexit would turn uncertainty into mayhem.




[size=15]So May maneuvers to save her deal, chiefly by adjusting the “backstop,” an insurance policy to preserve an open border in Ireland that has enraged hard-line Brexiteers because they see it as a Trojan horse for keeping Britain in the customs union through all eternity.
Jeremy Corbyn, the feckless Labour leader, maneuvers to keep his fingerprint off the British exit he not-so-secretly favors, while the majority of his party wants to remain in the European Union and eight M.P.s quit to form an independent group in Parliament to protest his policies.
Yvette Cooper, a leading Labour politician, [size=15]pushes a bill to defer the March 29 deadline; and two other Labour M.P.s, Peter Kyle and Phil Wilson, have drawn up an amendment that would see the House of Commons approve May’s accord on condition that it is put to a second referendum. (As for the Malthouse Compromise and forms of a soft or free-trade Brexit modeled on Norwegian or Canadian ties to the union, consign them, dear reader, to the vast T.M.I. Brexit archive).
The bottom line is simple: Brexit has been, is and will be a disaster for Britain. The 2016 vote was manipulated through lies. A country that has benefited from its 46-year participation in a union of more than a half-billion Europeans is drifting toward a self-amputation understood by few, opposed by the young, abetted by a dissembling anti-American Labour leader, driven by little-England Tory right-wingers holding the country for ransom, and, according to polls, no longer wanted by the majority.
Here are the odds in descending order of likelihood: An adjusted May accord secures parliamentary approval; the March 29 deadline is extended; no deal; a second referendum. Fight on! The best option, now that the country has sobered up, is to put Britain’s real future to a second people’s vote.[/size][/size]


PS. Looks like this article originated at the Financial Times.
Like many former British institutions, the FT is foreign owned (it's owned by Nikkei of Japanese Stock market fame) so can probably be passed off as fake news by nationalists.

May's Government: Another Brexit cock up costs the taxpayer £33 million to settle out of court for dodgy dealings.

Remember this?

This chime with anyone?

US ambassador tells us to accept lower American food standards if we want a trade deal with America after brexit.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47426138

How many brexiteers voted for this?

‘Dictated to by a foreign power’

xmiles wrote:US ambassador tells us to accept lower American food standards if we want a trade deal with America after brexit.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47426138

How many brexiteers voted for this?

All of them.

wanderlust wrote:

xmiles wrote:US ambassador tells us to accept lower American food standards if we want a trade deal with America after brexit.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47426138

How many brexiteers voted for this?

All of them.

That says a lot, but joking aside: May is going for damage limitation without trying to upset an ever dwindling number of people who voted leave. Grayling is chucking money away like it's confetti, Gove (Brexiteer) says British Farming may never recover from a No Deal Brexit, the Courts agreed that if the Referendum had been mandatory it would have been voided due to Leave sides illegal funding and illegal representation, the Governments own impact assessment shows massive problems for the UK especially in areas like Wales, N.I, North East etc, Farage is charging people 50 quid to walk from Sunderland to London (I did suggest they travel in the new build X-Trails, but, er.....) and Rees-Mogg is set to profit to the tune of 700 million quid if we do jump off the cliff (wonder why he want's that eh ?) as his hedge funds make money based on the pound being weak. Forgot, according to a report a few days ago from one female MP (Louise Mensch), MI6 told Theresa May in 2016 that the referendum had been influenced by Russian nationals.


Other than that, everything is fucking great.

Dunkels King wrote:

wanderlust wrote:

xmiles wrote:US ambassador tells us to accept lower American food standards if we want a trade deal with America after brexit.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47426138

How many brexiteers voted for this?

All of them.

That says a lot, but joking aside: May is going for damage limitation without trying to upset an ever dwindling number of people who voted leave. Grayling is chucking money away like it's confetti, Gove (Brexiteer) says British Farming may never recover from a No Deal Brexit, the Courts agreed that if the Referendum had been mandatory it would have been voided due to Leave sides illegal funding and illegal representation, the Governments own impact assessment shows massive problems for the UK especially in areas like Wales, N.I, North East etc, Farage is charging people 50 quid to walk from Sunderland to London (I did suggest they travel in the new build X-Trails, but, er.....) and Rees-Mogg is set to profit to the tune of 700 million quid if we do jump off the cliff (wonder why he want's that eh ?) as his hedge funds make money based on the pound being weak. Forgot, according to a report a few days ago from one female MP (Louise Mensch), MI6 told Theresa May in 2016 that the referendum had been influenced by Russian nationals.


Other than that, everything is fucking great.

And yet not one of the brexit fans on here will admit that brexit is a mistake.

xmiles wrote:

Dunkels King wrote:

wanderlust wrote:

xmiles wrote:US ambassador tells us to accept lower American food standards if we want a trade deal with America after brexit.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47426138

How many brexiteers voted for this?

All of them.

That says a lot, but joking aside: May is going for damage limitation without trying to upset an ever dwindling number of people who voted leave. Grayling is chucking money away like it's confetti, Gove (Brexiteer) says British Farming may never recover from a No Deal Brexit, the Courts agreed that if the Referendum had been mandatory it would have been voided due to Leave sides illegal funding and illegal representation, the Governments own impact assessment shows massive problems for the UK especially in areas like Wales, N.I, North East etc, Farage is charging people 50 quid to walk from Sunderland to London (I did suggest they travel in the new build X-Trails, but, er.....) and Rees-Mogg is set to profit to the tune of 700 million quid if we do jump off the cliff (wonder why he want's that eh ?) as his hedge funds make money based on the pound being weak. Forgot, according to a report a few days ago from one female MP (Louise Mensch), MI6 told Theresa May in 2016 that the referendum had been influenced by Russian nationals.


Other than that, everything is fucking great.

And yet not one of the brexit fans on here will admit that brexit is a mistake.

But "Brexit is Brexit" (sic) so it's what they voted for and therefore they would have no right or reason to complain about anything.
They're getting exactly what they asked for and all the experts that told them that they were voting for a crock of shit were dismissed as being cranks peddling "fake news"/Project Fear.

If they don't trust the experts perhaps the next time they need open heart surgery they'd feel better if it's done by a plumber?

wanderlust wrote:

xmiles wrote:

Dunkels King wrote:

wanderlust wrote:

xmiles wrote:US ambassador tells us to accept lower American food standards if we want a trade deal with America after brexit.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47426138

How many brexiteers voted for this?

All of them.

That says a lot, but joking aside: May is going for damage limitation without trying to upset an ever dwindling number of people who voted leave. Grayling is chucking money away like it's confetti, Gove (Brexiteer) says British Farming may never recover from a No Deal Brexit, the Courts agreed that if the Referendum had been mandatory it would have been voided due to Leave sides illegal funding and illegal representation, the Governments own impact assessment shows massive problems for the UK especially in areas like Wales, N.I, North East etc, Farage is charging people 50 quid to walk from Sunderland to London (I did suggest they travel in the new build X-Trails, but, er.....) and Rees-Mogg is set to profit to the tune of 700 million quid if we do jump off the cliff (wonder why he want's that eh ?) as his hedge funds make money based on the pound being weak. Forgot, according to a report a few days ago from one female MP (Louise Mensch), MI6 told Theresa May in 2016 that the referendum had been influenced by Russian nationals.


Other than that, everything is fucking great.

And yet not one of the brexit fans on here will admit that brexit is a mistake.

But "Brexit is Brexit" (sic) so it's what they voted for and therefore they would have no right or reason to complain about anything.
They're getting exactly what they asked for and all the experts that told them that they were voting for a crock of shit were dismissed as being cranks peddling "fake news"/Project Fear.

If they don't trust the experts perhaps the next time they need open heart surgery they'd feel better if it's done by a plumber?

Just as long as it is not a plumber from the EU.

I was going to vote remain but I saw one of about 12 tweets sent by Russians during the referendum.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:I was going to vote remain but I saw one of about 12 tweets sent by Russians during the referendum.

Yeh. In the last four days before the referendum vote, more than ten million people were sent social media tweets and facebook posts highlighting, in nearly every case, false information about the EU. the people who received these posts were chosen from data gathered by Cambridge Analytica. These posts were funded by two Leave campaigns that have now been proven to be linked, and from funds that didn't exist (money above the cap). Money provided by Aaron Banks who is now being investigated for his links to Russian money. Up until those four days, Remain was the clear Leader in the polls. The Remain campaign did no Campaigning in those four days as it was at the Cap already.

Look at Twitter now, thousands of users are being blocked and shutdown every day as they are proven to be Bots created by Russia posting negative comments about the EU and praising the Brexiteers. They all have one thing in common where they are registered on Twitter for a day and send about 200 or more tweets in a few hours. This referendum, like the Judge said, was corrupted by the Leave Campaign and would have been voided if it had been Mandatory. When all of this is sorted there has to be an investigation, and the likes of theresa May, Farage and Johnson need to be prosecuted.