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151General Election - Page 9 Empty Re: General Election Thu Nov 14 2019, 08:33

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha

wanderlust wrote:
gloswhite wrote:how do you know there has been Russian subversion? tell me what evidence you have. (Sorry, I sound like TROY now  Very Happy )
Surmising doesn't make anything true.
Fact is we don't know 100% however the Intelligence report was leaked to the Sunday Times and there have been several private sector investigations and investigative journalism TV programmes all of which provide considerable evidence that there has been interference both in the 2016 Brexit referendum and the last general election and other reports that claim to have evidence that the right wing political establishment has been infiltrated by agents acting for Russia including key Tory sponsors. Furthermore the Electoral commission pointed out that our electoral system is not able to withstand interference from malign foreign forces and is not fit for purpose.

So the real question is that if Borat/Cummings truly believe that this is a load of bollocks why don't they just publish the report and provide the other evidence to nip it in the bud? 

Surely that's the obvious course of action that someone with nothing to hide would take?

The excuses given are as thin as those against electoral reform which would mean that every person's vote counts as much as the next person's vote but sadly we are tied into a system wherein we are not equal in that respect.

It will be interesting to see if glos responds. He normally doesn't when facts undermine his contentions. Smile

152General Election - Page 9 Empty Re: General Election Thu Nov 14 2019, 10:44

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha

This is what happens when the Tories look after the NHS:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-50397856

153General Election - Page 9 Empty Re: General Election Thu Nov 14 2019, 12:57

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

xmiles wrote:
wanderlust wrote:
gloswhite wrote:how do you know there has been Russian subversion? tell me what evidence you have. (Sorry, I sound like TROY now  Very Happy )
Surmising doesn't make anything true.
Fact is we don't know 100% however the Intelligence report was leaked to the Sunday Times and there have been several private sector investigations and investigative journalism TV programmes all of which provide considerable evidence that there has been interference both in the 2016 Brexit referendum and the last general election and other reports that claim to have evidence that the right wing political establishment has been infiltrated by agents acting for Russia including key Tory sponsors. Furthermore the Electoral commission pointed out that our electoral system is not able to withstand interference from malign foreign forces and is not fit for purpose.

So the real question is that if Borat/Cummings truly believe that this is a load of bollocks why don't they just publish the report and provide the other evidence to nip it in the bud? 

Surely that's the obvious course of action that someone with nothing to hide would take?

The excuses given are as thin as those against electoral reform which would mean that every person's vote counts as much as the next person's vote but sadly we are tied into a system wherein we are not equal in that respect.

It will be interesting to see if glos responds. He normally doesn't when facts undermine his contentions. Smile
Will you stop being antagonistic towards him? I'm just trying to be rational about it and would be interested if Glos had a rational response.

154General Election - Page 9 Empty Re: General Election Thu Nov 14 2019, 16:09

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

155General Election - Page 9 Empty Re: General Election Thu Nov 14 2019, 22:14

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

156General Election - Page 9 Empty Re: General Election Thu Nov 14 2019, 22:48

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha

157General Election - Page 9 Empty Re: General Election Fri Nov 15 2019, 11:42

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

The worst thing about this is that I thought we'd finally seen the back of her but she just won't crawl away...

158General Election - Page 9 Empty Re: General Election Fri Nov 15 2019, 12:13

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson

wanderlust wrote:
xmiles wrote:
wanderlust wrote:
gloswhite wrote:how do you know there has been Russian subversion? tell me what evidence you have. (Sorry, I sound like TROY now  Very Happy )
Surmising doesn't make anything true.
Fact is we don't know 100% however the Intelligence report was leaked to the Sunday Times and there have been several private sector investigations and investigative journalism TV programmes all of which provide considerable evidence that there has been interference both in the 2016 Brexit referendum and the last general election and other reports that claim to have evidence that the right wing political establishment has been infiltrated by agents acting for Russia including key Tory sponsors. Furthermore the Electoral commission pointed out that our electoral system is not able to withstand interference from malign foreign forces and is not fit for purpose.

So the real question is that if Borat/Cummings truly believe that this is a load of bollocks why don't they just publish the report and provide the other evidence to nip it in the bud? 

Surely that's the obvious course of action that someone with nothing to hide would take?

The excuses given are as thin as those against electoral reform which would mean that every person's vote counts as much as the next person's vote but sadly we are tied into a system wherein we are not equal in that respect.

It will be interesting to see if glos responds. He normally doesn't when facts undermine his contentions. Smile
Will you stop being antagonistic towards him? I'm just trying to be rational about it and would be interested if Glos had a rational response.
Unfortunately Wander, XM, and TROY are now so embedded in their dislike and distrust of anything Brexit, Tory, or Boris, that there is no hope of a balanced response to anything they do not agree with. They also seem to think that anything they say, usually backed up by others of the same ilk, is 100% correct. I gave up trying to talk sensibly to them a year or more ago as I was so tired of the abuse, not necessarily to me, but to leavers in general. 
It seems strange to me that for people that are so convinced the country is going to fall to pieces if we leave the EU, that so many will vote for the Tory party, knowing that Brexit will shortly follow. According to the political polls, still the majority of the country take this view. I believe, and I've said this before, that the Leavers haven't reacted to the Remainers barrage of abuse to the government, and leavers, as, once we had won, we expected MP's and Parliament to carry out the wishes of the people. Why should we protest and argue when we were getting what we had voted for?
People on here who continually harp on about what is rapidly become old or insignificant news are, to me, no longer worth listening to. When I'm bored I will come on here for the odd comment, throw a pebble into the pond as it were, and watch the most predictable responses come back. 
I'm beginning to worry about those two, as I think they have become so entrenched in their thinking that they will suffer greatly when they don't get all the things they have been expecting or asking for. If it doesn't go my way, I won't be happy, but I won't rant and rave or abuse anyone, Ill just get on with life.
As stated previously, the main reason I want to leave the EU is to be able to govern ourselves, making our own decisions rather than becoming an even more insignificant cog, in a vast, mainly rudderless machine. I'm not a rabid racist who lives up North, nor am I financially incompetent, and am aware of the penalties we will pay in the shorter term. I believe the shake up, in all areas, is what this country now needs, (politically, financially, legally, and socially), and hopefully we'll come out the other side with a much better future than we have now.
If nothing else, Brexit has shown what a mess this country is in, and it hasn't happened just because of the Brexit referendum.

159General Election - Page 9 Empty Re: General Election Fri Nov 15 2019, 12:50

Angry Dad

Angry Dad
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff

Yay free broadband for all !!! What a fucking useless cunt corbyn and the rest of them are they face a wipeout at the election which they won't recover from, it is the end of the labour party and not a moment too soon.

160General Election - Page 9 Empty Re: General Election Fri Nov 15 2019, 13:13

Guest


Guest

Yes Glos you're famously balanced in relation remain, Corbyn and Labour aren't you?

As I've told you umpteen times, I support leaving the EU but with a deal that doesn't break our economy. 

Clearly you don't bother reading other posts, you just pigeon hole them all into the same polarised category - if it's not exactly what you think it must be remainer nonsense.

Take a breath and accept other people have valuable input and shouldn't be dismissed.

161General Election - Page 9 Empty Re: General Election Fri Nov 15 2019, 13:35

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha

Glos you keep going on about abuse but I have never abused you and as far as I know neither have any other posters on this site. However I have been abused by brexit fans on this site several times (see karly's post at 147 for a recent example).

You also ignore all the abuse remain supporters and neutrals have received including judges being called enemies of the people for simply upholding the law.

162General Election - Page 9 Empty Re: General Election Fri Nov 15 2019, 14:45

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

I don't think the election result can be directly equated to the last EU referendum result though. Currently the Tories are predicted across a wide range of polls to get a huge working majority - but that is more to do with the electoral system than leave or remain opinions as the same polls predict that more people will vote for the combined remain parties (if Labour can be counted as a leave party) than the combined leave parties. 
It's just that the first past the post system will mean their votes count for less. 

Glos - I don't want to labour the point (no pun intended) but you write about "a much better future than we have now" and I'm wondering how you think that's even possible if we leave the EU? Surely all the evidence points to an economic disaster? Is there anything I can realistically look at that would give me any hope for a better future outside the EU?

163General Election - Page 9 Empty Re: General Election Fri Nov 15 2019, 17:06

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha

Here is another example of the kind of abuse people who oppose brexit receive:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-50436203

164General Election - Page 9 Empty Re: General Election Fri Nov 15 2019, 21:51

Guest


Guest

Oh lord:

https://twitter.com/stevebarclay/status/1194966699621208064?s=21

Just when you think these idiots can’t get any worse, another who shouldn’t be anywhere near power yet has been propelled to its inner circle simply for being ‘on side’.

165General Election - Page 9 Empty Re: General Election Fri Nov 15 2019, 22:09

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha

T.R.O.Y wrote:Oh lord:

https://twitter.com/stevebarclay/status/1194966699621208064?s=21

Just when you think these idiots can’t get any worse, another who shouldn’t be anywhere near power yet has been propelled to its inner circle simply for being ‘on side’.

And this moron is the Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union! Rolling Eyes

166General Election - Page 9 Empty Re: General Election Sat Nov 16 2019, 00:32

luckyPeterpiper

luckyPeterpiper
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo

xmiles wrote:
T.R.O.Y wrote:Oh lord:

https://twitter.com/stevebarclay/status/1194966699621208064?s=21

Just when you think these idiots can’t get any worse, another who shouldn’t be anywhere near power yet has been propelled to its inner circle simply for being ‘on side’.

And this moron is the Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union! Rolling Eyes  
I would have argued that this is the funniest post of 2019. Sadly it's not meant to be and the idiot actually believes he's telling the truth. Dear God, please can we get rid of the gurning twerp in no: 10 and all his idiotic followers while there is still a Britain left?

167General Election - Page 9 Empty Re: General Election Sat Nov 16 2019, 15:39

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson

xmiles wrote:
T.R.O.Y wrote:Oh lord:

https://twitter.com/stevebarclay/status/1194966699621208064?s=21

Just when you think these idiots can’t get any worse, another who shouldn’t be anywhere near power yet has been propelled to its inner circle simply for being ‘on side’.

And this moron is the Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union! Rolling Eyes  
Have to agree, this is absurd. Its an old argument, but how he thinks Brexit will improve things I don't know.

168General Election - Page 9 Empty Re: General Election Sat Nov 16 2019, 15:53

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson

Troy, I do listen to, and read, both sides of the argument. I would like to say that both sides have some good points, but find it increasingly difficult to say they have. We are now going through the Brexit equivalent of the General election, where politicians are trying to outdo each other, forgetting that there real people have to pick up the pieces. In all honesty I believe that Labour have some points, but the cost is too high or impractical, and the Tories don't seem to be able to deliver their points too well. They are now both in a bidding war, with the cost for the whole country getting out of hand. I'm sure that if Sluffy asked for money for the forum, he'd get a million or two. I tend not to get too involved with the minor details of either process as I don't think it will have too much effect on what will be the final outcome, (and I have a rubbish memory  Very Happy)

169General Election - Page 9 Empty Re: General Election Sat Nov 16 2019, 16:26

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson

XM, there has been plenty of abuse on here, both directly and indirectly, and from all of us to everyone else. Its not a very nice legacy for us, but thats how I see it on here, and I think that is why fewer people are posting nowadays, . I very much believe that if we were in a pub, then things would be far more amicable. I would suggest this should we meet, but of course its your round first  Very Happy

170General Election - Page 9 Empty Re: General Election Sat Nov 16 2019, 16:32

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson

Wander, I'm not sure there is anything for you to focus on, and I say this because the vast majority of your arguments are about the financial aspect of Brexit. Mine has been more on the 'management' of the country, although I accept that both are reliant on the other. As I've said all along, for me its not all about the money, more about the law-making side of things.

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