wanderlust wrote: xmiles wrote: wanderlust wrote: gloswhite wrote:how do you know there has been Russian subversion? tell me what evidence you have. (Sorry, I sound like TROY now
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Surmising doesn't make anything true.
Fact is we don't know 100% however the Intelligence report was leaked to the Sunday Times and there have been several private sector investigations and investigative journalism TV programmes all of which provide considerable evidence that there has been interference both in the 2016 Brexit referendum and the last general election and other reports that claim to have evidence that the right wing political establishment has been infiltrated by agents acting for Russia including key Tory sponsors. Furthermore the Electoral commission pointed out that our electoral system is not able to withstand interference from malign foreign forces and is not fit for purpose.
So the real question is that if Borat/Cummings truly believe that this is a load of bollocks why don't they just publish the report and provide the other evidence to nip it in the bud?
Surely that's the obvious course of action that someone with nothing to hide would take?
The excuses given are as thin as those against electoral reform which would mean that every person's vote counts as much as the next person's vote but sadly we are tied into a system wherein we are not equal in that respect.
It will be interesting to see if glos responds. He normally doesn't when facts undermine his contentions.
Will you stop being antagonistic towards him? I'm just trying to be rational about it and would be interested if Glos had a rational response.
Unfortunately Wander, XM, and TROY are now so embedded in their dislike and distrust of anything Brexit, Tory, or Boris, that there is no hope of a balanced response to anything they do not agree with. They also seem to think that anything they say, usually backed up by others of the same ilk, is 100% correct. I gave up trying to talk sensibly to them a year or more ago as I was so tired of the abuse, not necessarily to me, but to leavers in general.
It seems strange to me that for people that are so convinced the country is going to fall to pieces if we leave the EU, that so many will vote for the Tory party, knowing that Brexit will shortly follow. According to the political polls, still the majority of the country take this view. I believe, and I've said this before, that the Leavers haven't reacted to the Remainers barrage of abuse to the government, and leavers, as, once we had won, we expected MP's and Parliament to carry out the wishes of the people. Why should we protest and argue when we were getting what we had voted for?
People on here who continually harp on about what is rapidly become old or insignificant news are, to me, no longer worth listening to. When I'm bored I will come on here for the odd comment, throw a pebble into the pond as it were, and watch the most predictable responses come back.
I'm beginning to worry about those two, as I think they have become so entrenched in their thinking that they will suffer greatly when they don't get all the things they have been expecting or asking for. If it doesn't go my way, I won't be happy, but I won't rant and rave or abuse anyone, Ill just get on with life.
As stated previously, the main reason I want to leave the EU is to be able to govern ourselves, making our own decisions rather than becoming an even more insignificant cog, in a vast, mainly rudderless machine. I'm not a rabid racist who lives up North, nor am I financially incompetent, and am aware of the penalties we will pay in the shorter term. I believe the shake up, in all areas, is what this country now needs, (politically, financially, legally, and socially), and hopefully we'll come out the other side with a much better future than we have now.
If nothing else, Brexit has shown what a mess this country is in, and it hasn't happened just because of the Brexit referendum.
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