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451How is the Tory government doing? - Page 16 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Jul 01 2020, 16:24

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@T.R.O.Y. wrote:
@Sluffy wrote:

I though we all knew that already???

If we know that and you accept the legitimacy to do so then why worry/fret/complain/throw your toys out the pram/whatever, about it as neither you, I, nor anyone else can do anything about it until the next elections come around.

Fight the battles you can win.

Ian Evatt type thinking!




(Although I think Sun Tzu wrote about it in his book The Art of War a bit before him).

I have a vote, I can directly effect the next election. Not sure what your point is.

Are you being serious?

I've just said you can't do anything about that UNTIL THE NEXT ELECTIONS - I can't be any clearer than that.

Until then 'fight whatever battles you can win' until they come around.

I'm sure you never read half of what I write?

452How is the Tory government doing? - Page 16 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Jul 01 2020, 16:28

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@boltonbonce wrote:Schopenhauer and Sun Tzu! What's happening on Nuts?

I think it shows that some of us on here are well read.

Although if you are only up to Schopenhauer I think you've got an awful lot of reading to catch up on.

453How is the Tory government doing? - Page 16 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Jul 01 2020, 16:28

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Sluffy wrote:

I though we all knew that already???

If we know that and you accept the legitimacy to do so then why worry/fret/complain/throw your toys out the pram
You can add "express an opinion or comment on a discussion forum" to that list....

454How is the Tory government doing? - Page 16 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Jul 01 2020, 16:30

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Sluffy wrote:

I think it shows that some of us on here are well read.

Although if you are only up to Schopenhauer I think you've got an awful lot of reading to catch up on.
Give me a break. The Beano takes up most of my time.

455How is the Tory government doing? - Page 16 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Jul 01 2020, 16:33

T.R.O.Y.


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
@Sluffy wrote:

Are you being serious?

I've just said you can't do anything about that UNTIL THE NEXT ELECTIONS - I can't be any clearer than that.

Until then 'fight whatever battles you can win' until they come around.

I'm sure you never read half of what I write?


All I’m saying is I don’t understand what your point is.

456How is the Tory government doing? - Page 16 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Jul 01 2020, 16:37

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@T.R.O.Y. wrote:

All I’m saying is I don’t understand what your point is.
You should know by now that it is always the same point.

457How is the Tory government doing? - Page 16 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Jul 01 2020, 16:49

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@wanderlust wrote:
@Sluffy wrote:

I though we all knew that already???

If we know that and you accept the legitimacy to do so then why worry/fret/complain/throw your toys out the pram
You can add "express an opinion or comment on a discussion forum" to that list....

Your 'opinion' was that he was appointed as Cummings mouth piece on National Security -

@wanderlust wrote:He doesn't really need to know anything about national security seeing as Cummings will be telling him what to do and say...

Clearly based on the social media 'hysteria' you say you don't read and that isn't the case and more likely to be part of the long touted view to change the CS.

As a former high ranking Civil Servant himself he probably knows how best to do so than Cummings I would suggest - he may even be the one who originated the idea that Cummings bought into for all we know, after all Frost must have had his reasons for leaving it in the first place - and returning to it in the form of his advisors roles in the last few years.

So we know why he's been appointed and we know the legitimacy of the appointment so hopefully now we can exclude the 'conspiracy' theory behind it that you and social media seem so fond of.

458How is the Tory government doing? - Page 16 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Jul 01 2020, 16:56

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@T.R.O.Y. wrote:
@Sluffy wrote:

Are you being serious?

I've just said you can't do anything about that UNTIL THE NEXT ELECTIONS - I can't be any clearer than that.

Until then 'fight whatever battles you can win' until they come around.

I'm sure you never read half of what I write?


All I’m saying is I don’t understand what your point is.

You've lost me I'm afraid.

I simply said nothing can be done about this until the next elections and so concentrate on the things you might be able to change until then.

I don't believe that is in anyway difficult to grasp.

Nor do I believe anybody else does either.

459How is the Tory government doing? - Page 16 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Jul 01 2020, 16:58

T.R.O.Y.


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
So we don’t comment on politics until it’s closer to the election?

460How is the Tory government doing? - Page 16 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Jul 01 2020, 17:21

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@T.R.O.Y. wrote:So we don’t comment on politics until it’s closer to the election?

That's not what you were saying in reply to me earlier -

@T.R.O.Y. wrote:I have a vote, I can directly effect the next election. Not sure what your point is.

You can comment on whatever you like but it won't change a thing until the elections come around no matter if you post the same thing everyday for the next four years until they do.

More to the point everybody would have left here by then anyway because it is no interest to the vast majority of us on here even if it is dear to your heart.

461How is the Tory government doing? - Page 16 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Jul 01 2020, 17:47

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Nuts is busy today.

462How is the Tory government doing? - Page 16 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Jul 01 2020, 18:03

T.R.O.Y.


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
@Sluffy wrote:

That's not what you were saying in reply to me earlier -



You can comment on whatever you like but it won't change a thing until the elections come around no matter if you post the same thing everyday for the next four years until they do.

More to the point everybody would have left here by then anyway because it is no interest to the vast majority of us on here even if it is dear to your heart.

Okay, still no idea what point you’re trying to make so let’s leave it. I’ll continue talking about politics, thanks.

463How is the Tory government doing? - Page 16 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Jul 01 2020, 19:27

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
@boltonbonce wrote:Nuts is busy today.
yeah, but I think this thread is going to grind to a halt.  Crying or Very sad

464How is the Tory government doing? - Page 16 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Jul 02 2020, 09:34

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
I wouldn't be too sure of that glos. Smile

465How is the Tory government doing? - Page 16 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Jul 02 2020, 13:50

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
And sure enough Boris' father reminds us plebs that it is one rule for the Tory elite and another for the rest of us.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8481617/PMs-father-Stanley-Johnson-79-jets-Greek-mountain-villa.html

466How is the Tory government doing? - Page 16 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Jul 02 2020, 15:00

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
Its just unbelievable how some people carry on, and its not as though Boris is going to have a go at his dad. No wonder so many peopl;e don't give a toss anymore.

Having said that, I thought, but I'm not sure, has unnecessary travel to other countries ban been stopped since yesterday (1st July) ?

467How is the Tory government doing? - Page 16 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Jul 02 2020, 15:04

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
No it is still essential travel only although the government has been leaking the potential future easing of travel restrictions next week for some time now.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53261752

468How is the Tory government doing? - Page 16 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Jul 02 2020, 15:06

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
OK, thanks. Its just that I'm wondering when I can start to manage my driving trip to Germany, to see my sister.

469How is the Tory government doing? - Page 16 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Jul 02 2020, 15:06

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Story of the week for me was the 12,000 job losses in just two days. Fairly sure the 'high street" is well and truly f***** now and that will lead to social change - which may inadvertently turn out to be a blessing for the environment.

470How is the Tory government doing? - Page 16 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Jul 02 2020, 15:08

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
And a lot more property for housing.

471How is the Tory government doing? - Page 16 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sun Jul 05 2020, 21:05

sunlight

sunlight
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Does anyone qualify for a Covid Voucher?

I will kick-start the Retail Sector with mine.

472How is the Tory government doing? - Page 16 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Mon Jul 06 2020, 19:32

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
So Boris thinks care home owners are responsible for deaths from corona virus:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-coronavirus-care-home-death-toll-uk-update-a9604426.html

473How is the Tory government doing? - Page 16 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Mon Jul 06 2020, 19:52

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
@sunlight wrote:Does anyone qualify for a Covid Voucher?

I will kick-start the Retail Sector with mine.
i read somewhere that we would all get £500 each, and kids £250, but that the vouchers could only be spent in specific areas, e.g. housing, or some other 'big' thing.
On the news tonight they are talking about £1000 for companies to use on training apprentices, who won't get paid. The problem is that reality is often stranger than the rumours, so I don't know what to expect.

474How is the Tory government doing? - Page 16 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Mon Jul 06 2020, 22:08

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@gloswhite wrote:
On the news tonight they are talking about £1000 for companies to use on training apprentices, who won't get paid. The problem is that reality is often stranger than the rumours, so I don't know what to expect.
Not apprentices - apprentices get paid and have to go to college and work for up to 3 years to learn their profession or trade and will come out with a qualification. In some professions it's longer.
This money is basically for employers to take someone on for work placement for up to 6 months. The employers will get free labour/somebody to brew up and the kids will get to put "I worked in a hairdressers" on their cv, get f*** all wages, and come out of it with no qualifications. 

This government is a f***** joke.

475How is the Tory government doing? - Page 16 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Mon Jul 06 2020, 22:14

sunlight

sunlight
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Those Pensioners all gloating after they take it out on the young by voting Tory.

476How is the Tory government doing? - Page 16 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Mon Jul 06 2020, 22:42

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
@xmiles wrote:So Boris thinks care home owners are responsible for deaths from corona virus:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-coronavirus-care-home-death-toll-uk-update-a9604426.html


Here's the response:   https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53315178


 And.... re one rule for the elite and a separate one for us plebs:- first there was Cummings, then Kendrick and now Boris' own dad "justifying" breaking lockdown rules by lauding Greece's beauty as if its allure makes it perfectly ok to jet off there. 
Bare-faced cheek.

477How is the Tory government doing? - Page 16 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Jul 07 2020, 00:29

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@sunlight wrote:Those Pensioners all gloating after they take it out on the young by voting Tory.
...as opposed to the young murdering as many pensioners as they can in order to inherit their savings without having had to work 45 years for it by spreading the virus?
Those same pensioners that finally overthrew Thatcher and gave Tony B three consecutive terms?

I'm sensing politics and Buddhism don't mix Smile

478How is the Tory government doing? - Page 16 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Jul 07 2020, 12:18

sunlight

sunlight
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
@wanderlust wrote:
...as opposed to the young murdering as many pensioners as they can in order to inherit their savings without having had to work 45 years for it by spreading the virus?

What is this of which you speak?

I was joking btw with my comment. It is my fault as my jokes are very dry sometimes and ppl see them as a serious comment.

I should make posts in which I am joking in a different colour than my serious ones, especially when its about Tories. Tory jokes can easily be discerned as true,

479How is the Tory government doing? - Page 16 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Jul 07 2020, 13:33

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
This is sickening in a few ways: firstly, that he could blame care workers for his own mistakes when they were left to cope without guidance or protection in the pandemic; secondly that he could get a sycophantic minister to appear on TV to defend the appalling blame-shifting; lastly, that he has refused to apologise, just as he did when he managed to make Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe's plight worse by saying entirely the wrong thing and never acknowledged his blunder.

Couple this with supporting Cummings, Jenrick and his own father despite their clear transgressions in respect of the government's own lockdown rules....and it makes for a man with no moral compass or competence as a P.M.
He is not to be respected.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53315178



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480How is the Tory government doing? - Page 16 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Jul 07 2020, 13:57

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@okocha wrote:This is sickening in a few ways: firstly, that he could blame care workers for his own mistakes when they were left to cope without guidance or protection in the pandemic; secondly that he could get a sycophantic minister to appear on TV to defend the appalling blame-shifting; lastly, that he has refused to apologise, just as he did when he managed to make Nazanin's Zaghari-Ratcliffe's plight worse by saying entirely the wrong thing and never acknowledged his blunder.

Couple this with supporting Cummings, Jenrick and his own father despite their clear transgressions in respect of the government's own lockdown rules....and it makes for a man with no moral compass or competence as a P.M.
He is not to be respected.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53315178

And of course it is entirely consistent with his behaviour throughout his life. He has no principles and is motivated only by self interest. We will see many more examples in the months, and I fear years, to come.

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