a) - the beds are urgently needed for Covid patients, so they can't stay in hospital.
b) - what safe holding environment - the Nightingales weren't built (and they were for Covid anyway) where is this safe holding environment you talk about which has 25,000 beds and support staff that are needed?
c) - where else was there to go - their beds and support staff were still there at their care homes (they hadn't been discharged from there) and if it wasn't for the cross contamination from patient to patient, care home to care homes by asymptomatic carers/agency staff (no ones blaming them by the way as no one knew at that time that the virus worked in that way), then the bulk of the problem in care homes simply would not have occurred.
Stop think political and start thinking reality.
What would Corbyn have done - exactly the same because it was the right thing to do based on everything that was known at that time - it's as simple as that.
I wouldn't be stupid enough to speculate what Corbyn or anyone else would have done (although I suspect it would have been more humane) but I do know that prior to the 15th April, the Government instructed care homes to test returning patients on arrival - without the care homes necessarily having the required kit - and care homes were instructed to isolate those testing positive in those care homes - regardless of whether they had the staff or kit to do it. see here. The Government had actively cleared out NHS facilities and moved the responsibility for both testing and isolation of the elderly to the ill-equipped private sector.
If the beds were being freed up for covid patients why did the government not instruct the care homes to ship those testing positive straight back to hospital?
Make no mistake - the government instructed care homes to keep known covid patients in care homes regardless of their capacity and not to bring them to hospital.
Point is that where possible prior to April 15th , they actually were tested (by the care homes) and the government itself claims many were. But the same government also denied hospital care to those who did test positive
- and simultaneously put hundreds of thousands of other people at risk as the care home death rates confirm.
IMO they are murdering bastards but that's just my opinion as opposed to the cold hard facts above.
Thank you for the link but did you actually read it before posting - I don't think you did!
What it says is that no tests were being done by the hospitals prior to returning patients to care homes and that care homes were not required to test 'new admissions'.
It doesn't say they HAD to accept Covid positive cases though - indeed this is a quote from your own link -
He told Sky News: "I know that in my particular area, all of the care homeowners have been asked if they will take COVID-19 positive patients
"And I know that absolutely, everybody said NO
, and there would be a very good reason for that. That would be tantamount to importing death into care homes.
This is what the The Public Accounts Committee reported yesterday about it -
The decision to allow hospital patients in England to be discharged to care homes without Covid-19 tests at the start of the pandemic has been described as "reckless" by MPs.
The Public Accounts Committee said there had clearly been an "emerging problem" with official advice before it was "belatedly" changed in April.
It accused ministers of being slow to support social care during the crisis.
The government said it had been "working closely" with the sector.
The committee said around 25,000 patients were discharged into care homes in England between mid-March and mid-April to free up hospital beds.
After initially saying a negative result was not required before discharging patients, the government later said on 15 April all patients would be tested.In a highly critical report, the cross-party committee said the initial decision to allow untested patients into care homes was an "appalling error".
Speaking to the BBC, committee chair Meg Hillier acknowledged there had been limited data about the virus when early decisions were made; however she said there was also a long-term lack of understanding
at the health department about how the care sector works.
"The fact that there are people on low pay not taking sick leave, moving from home to home were things that were risk elements - if you had better understanding of any impact of any disease on a care home you would have understood the implications,
" she said.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53574265
This is exactly what I said yesterday and as you clearly didn't believe me then maybe you will now believe those that have scrutinised the records and investigated what actually went on namely when the decisions were originally being made there was 'limited data' about the virus and a lack of understanding how the care sector worked
- ie agency staff moving frequently from care home to care home.
It's there in black and white by those who have scrutinised what actually happened and why.
As for your point about sending positive cases back to hospitals maybe they did after the government advice changed on the 15th April, I'm not aware care homes were prohibited from doing so?
Mistakes were made, I don't think anybody is saying differently but when the decisions were first made they were based on what knowledge was known about the virus at the time, the urgent need to save the NHS from the expect tsunami of cases and the lack of knowledge about the care home working practices of employment of agency staff working in multiple care homes at the same time.
The cold hard facts don't support your view that the government are murdering bastards but I strongly imagine your wellspring of knowledge 'social media' most certainly does!
Oh, and by the way,Eh
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