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691Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 24 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Sun Nov 29 2020, 19:18

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Yes, ministers and aides all set a perfect example, don't they? Rolling Eyes Smile

692Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 24 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Sun Nov 29 2020, 20:30

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
More to the point, knowing what f***** morons Brits are they should have managed the messaging better, criminalised failure to follow the rules, and enforced breaches using the armed forces if necessary.
It is without doubt that the Government is at fault - failing to give clear messaging, failure to give stricter warnings and failure to enforce even the stupid rules that came up with.

693Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 24 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Sun Nov 29 2020, 22:06

Sluffy

Sluffy
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@wanderlust wrote:More to the point, knowing what f***** morons Brits are they should have managed the messaging better, criminalised failure to follow the rules, and enforced breaches using the armed forces if necessary.
It is without doubt that the Government is at fault - failing to give clear messaging, failure to give stricter warnings and failure to enforce even the stupid rules that came up with.

Utter bollocks.

EVERYONE by now KNOWS what the basic rules are - everyone - yet absolutely loads don't bother with them as the random article above shows.

I did a bit of shopping this evening in a neighbourhood Tesco in Slough (which was the 9th WORST place in the country yesterday) yet I saw three customers and two staff without facemasks on, one bloke not even bothering about social distancing when queueing up to pay despite there being big massive circles marked out on the floor showing you where to stand whilst you are waiting to be served!

Christ is that the governments fault too???

It's about time some of you realise that not everything on Earth you don't like is the governments fault.

You must live in some dream world if you think troops on every street corner would ever be acceptable here and fwiw if we really wanted to enforce lockdown then there simply isn't anything like enough armed forces personnel to do it

People simply ARE NOT taking responsibility for their actions  even though they KNOW what the rules are and carrying on with their lifes as before.

Tbh I really can't blame them as most who do so WON'T be effected by Covid in a bad way.  The point I make and continue to do so is that IT IS NOT the government's fault the virus is spreading - we govern in this country by the 'consent' of the people and not by martial law.

The only real 'levers' it has to stop the spread is to close down social venues which does reduce social interaction to some extent but even that as an adverse effect on the economy.

As I keep repeating it is people that spread the virus not the government.  

Everyone knows the simple basic rules but clearly loads just don't give a stuff about them and what can you do about it, throw them all in prison or something, if so all the jails will be full to bursting after just one day, what do you do then - shoot them?

Only 32 local authorities out of 315 showed a rise in cases today, two of whom were Broadland and Norwich.

No doubt that's the governments fault too...

...certainly nothing to do with people who can't give a fuck about the rules like these in Norwich for instance...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-54511643

Rolling Eyes

694Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 24 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Wed Dec 02 2020, 17:14

Sluffy

Sluffy
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I read this and found it interesting, it also backs up what I said at the beginning of all this namely patients sent from care homes to hospitals to basically end their lives there had to be sent back to the care homes (because their beds there were still available to them) to die there instead in order to free up beds for the on gong pandemic -

"One of the challenges the NHS has faced is that it has fewer doctors, nurses and beds per head of population than many other western European countries.

Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 24 _115759898_hospital_beds_by_pop_europe640v2-nc

Tory MP John Redwood has been vocal in calling for the Nightingales to be used, accusing those making dire warnings of trying to "scare" the public. Between them they could provide care to several thousand patients.

But the problem is they need staff. Chris Hopson, of NHS Providers, which represents hospital managers, says they were only ever built as an "insurance policy" to be used as a last resort if hospitals were overwhelmed.

To open them would mean spreading staff more thinly across hospitals and the Nightingales. That, of course, has consequences for the quality of care. It is the reason why only two have been pressed into action during the second wave.

Stretching the NHS beyond the point it is at currently is certainly possible, but it will have consequences".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55151832

As we know this undoubtedly led to some patients returning to care homes with corvid and working practices with carers working at more than one care home at the same time, help spreading it to the most vulnerable to death from Covid.

Probably explains why the likes of Germany and France have a much lower death rate than we have, because they had the beds (and doctors and nurses) that we Spain and Italy for instance didn't.

Also if you look at the up to date details from the John Hopkins Centre (which seems to be the world authority on Covid stats) it shows the in terms of Covid deaths per 100k of population that contrary to popular belief we are NOT the worst country in Europe, Belgium is, but if you look at the 'big five', Spain actually tops the list at 97.4 deaths, followed by Italy 93.26, then us 88.96, France 78.85 and Germany on an amazingly low 20.71.

For comparison the USA is 82.72and China 0.34 (yeah right!).

In fact if it was any other country but Germany I'd doubt their honesty of the data.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

Anyway I know it won't change anybody's mind that it is all the governments fault but it does seem to me that (and as I've said all along) you could only fight the pandemic with the resources you had at the time and clearly France and Germany having double and treble the beds, doctors and nurses to the population than we did clearly was a big factor in them having lower death rates from Covid than Spain, Italy and ourselves.

695Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 24 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Wed Dec 02 2020, 18:58

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
Good news about the vaccine but as always the Tories then proceed to lie about it:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/55163730

696Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 24 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Wed Dec 02 2020, 19:42

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Rather than let the facts speak for themselves, Boris and co. so obviously look for as much acclaim as possible by stretching the truth or outright lying.....but their motives are transparent. Not on the scale of Trump, of course, but still excruciating.

 Our newspapers (The Express excluded) and programmes like Sky's Press Preview invariably make clear that no one is falling for the deceptions, exaggerations and the twisting of the truth. If they had any sensitivity at all, the government ministers would desist. It's making them look like self-promoting clowns and sets them up as objects of ridicule.

 It's coming to something when even The Mail and The Telegraph have changed their tune in the light of the Tories' handling of the pandemic and their shambolic posturing re Brexit negotiations that are going to cost us dear.

697Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 24 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Thu Dec 03 2020, 00:54

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@okocha wrote:Rather than let the facts speak for themselves, Boris and co. so obviously look for as much acclaim as possible by stretching the truth or outright lying.....but their motives are transparent. Not on the scale of Trump, of course, but still excruciating.

 Our newspapers (The Express excluded) and programmes like Sky's Press Preview invariably make clear that no one is falling for the deceptions, exaggerations and the twisting of the truth. If they had any sensitivity at all, the government ministers would desist. It's making them look like self-promoting clowns and sets them up as objects of ridicule.

 It's coming to something when even The Mail and The Telegraph have changed their tune in the light of the Tories' handling of the pandemic and their shambolic posturing re Brexit negotiations that are going to cost us dear.
It is upsetting but there's no point in worrying about what will happen as it will ruin now. 
And not being a Buddhist ATM I reckon you only have one experience - so enjoy it.

698Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 24 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Mon Dec 14 2020, 17:17

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
New Covid strain sweeping the south of England. Not yet clarified whether or not existing vaccines will protect against it.

699Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 24 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Tue Dec 15 2020, 10:09

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
So this mutation doesn’t attack antibody production but has evolved to spread more easily - which makes it more of a race against time from a vaccination perspective and will lead to a more stringent lockdown protocol. Batten down the hatches folks!

700Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 24 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Thu Dec 17 2020, 23:54

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I have a question - maybe Norpig is my best hope of getting an answer - but one of my sons has a serious egg allergy - and most vaccines use egg white as a carrier medium (take note vegans!), so does anybody know or can find out (no pressure amigo:)) if the covid vaccines are available in an egg-free format?

Definitely a pint in it.

701Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 24 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Fri Dec 18 2020, 08:15

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@wanderlust wrote:I have a question - maybe Norpig is my best hope of getting an answer - but one of my sons has a serious egg allergy - and most vaccines use egg white as a carrier medium (take note vegans!), so does anybody know or can find out (no pressure amigo:)) if the covid vaccines are available in an egg-free format?

Definitely a pint in it.
I'll ask the brains here to see if they can find out but i think that people with any allergies aren't allowed to have it at the moment as far as i'm aware?

702Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 24 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Fri Dec 18 2020, 08:18

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Just found this Lusty so looks like it will be ok for him to have.

https://www.anaphylaxis.org.uk/covid-19-advice/pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-and-allergies/

703Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 24 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Fri Dec 18 2020, 13:10

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Norpig wrote:Just found this Lusty so looks like it will be ok for him to have.

https://www.anaphylaxis.org.uk/covid-19-advice/pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-and-allergies/
You're a f****** star. If we ever meet up, I'm buying.

704Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 24 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Fri Dec 18 2020, 13:21

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@wanderlust wrote:
You're a f****** star. If we ever meet up, I'm buying.
:drinks:

705Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 24 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Sat Dec 19 2020, 14:47

sunlight

sunlight
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 24 HWLBU21
Will he be selling drugs in it? Is it true that they do that?

706Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 24 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Sat Dec 19 2020, 15:00

sunlight

sunlight
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Remember to keep social distancing.

Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 24 E29yyEU

707Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 24 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Sat Dec 19 2020, 17:33

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
On Wednesday Starmer reminded the PM about the scientific data and questioned the wisdom of the 5 day Christmas.
Today Bozo cancelled it and doubled down on restrictions.
They said it will all end in Tiers.
I just wish Johnson would listen to the advice and act on it instead of making policy first and then having to change it. No wonder many people are confused and upset.

708Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 24 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Wed Dec 23 2020, 14:31

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@wanderlust wrote:Here's a great article   about Covid mutation.

Discusses identified Covid mutations to date, similarities with the original, speculates on future mutations, explains how mutations affect vaccine development, how long immunity is likely to last etc.

Sort of reassuring but there are a lot of variables in there Smile
This is starting to take on an even greater significance now that there is a mutation that transmits more rapidly in the UK, a mutation that attacks antibody production and today it's been announced that a new mutation in South Africa that spreads quickly and makes young people ill.
And this new study is even more alarming.

Another influx of Londoners is going to put Norfolk into Tier3 the way it's going. There's a village on the coast where three quarters of the houses are "second homes" and they've been arriving in droves.

709Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 24 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Wed Dec 23 2020, 15:58

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
A big thank you to the wankers who thought it would be a good idea to escape Tier 4 in London and come to Norfolk for Christmas. Hancock has just announced that we'll be in Tier 4 from Boxing Day.

710Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 24 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Wed Dec 23 2020, 16:02

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
They've found two cases of the South African mutation in the UK.

711Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 24 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Thu Dec 24 2020, 16:30

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Go Vic.

712Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 24 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Sun Jan 03 2021, 08:47

sunlight

sunlight
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 24 MpTfP4T

713Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 24 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Sun Jan 03 2021, 11:15

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

714Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 24 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Sun Jan 03 2021, 11:52

Ten Bobsworth


Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Here's a message from Shap's finest:

Dunt gah oot

Stop at yam

715Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 24 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Sun Jan 03 2021, 16:13

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

716Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 24 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Sun Jan 03 2021, 22:08

Ten Bobsworth


Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Very topical Cajunboy but if we can just make it a bit more contemporary. Here's a bit moor from Dickie from Shap. Lockdown song number 6. Git amang it .

717Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 24 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Mon Jan 04 2021, 08:57

T.R.O.Y.


Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Johnson getting ready to toughen up the rules and lockdown again, but not before allowing thousands to mix at schools all over again. They haven’t learned a thing from the last two lockdowns and are dithering again. It’s inexcusable now.

718Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 24 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Mon Jan 04 2021, 09:40

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Teachers and school support staff are almost as much in the firing line as NHS workers.....but without PPE!  Should be priorities for the vaccines.

719Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 24 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Mon Jan 04 2021, 16:00

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
Boris will speak to the nation tonight at 8pm.

I think wee Nicola has beaten him to it.

720Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 24 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Thu Jan 07 2021, 12:19

sunlight

sunlight
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
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