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91Tour de France 2020 - Page 6 Empty Re: Tour de France 2020 Fri Sep 18 2020, 21:41

Sluffy

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You were asking about when the riders set off tomorrow - looks as though we can see the match and the race leaders!


16:50:00 CARAPAZ Richard IGD ECU
16:52:00 MARTIN Guillaume COF FRA
16:54:00 CARUSO Damiano TBM ITA

General classification top-10 start times

16:56:00 VALVERDE Alejandro MOV ESP
16:58:00 DUMOULIN Tom TJV NED
17:00:00 URAN Rigoberto EF1 COL
17:02:00 YATES Adam MTS GBR
17:04:00 MAS Enric MOV ESP
17:06:00 LANDA Mikel TBM ESP
17:08:00 PORTE Richie TFS AUS
17:10:00 LOPEZ Miguel Angel AST COL
17:12:00 POGACAR Tadej UAD SLO
17:14:00 ROGLIC Primož TJV SLO

In GC terms Porte is a better TT rider than Lopez so could he possibly snatch third place tomorrow - he's certainly earnt it over his career and I'll have my fingers crossed for him!

And I hope Carapaz can keep the King of the mountains too!


92Tour de France 2020 - Page 6 Empty Re: Tour de France 2020 Fri Sep 18 2020, 22:11

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

This is more like it.  Very Happy

93Tour de France 2020 - Page 6 Empty Re: Tour de France 2020 Sat Sep 19 2020, 13:54

wessy

wessy
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

Thanks slufffy understand now the reason behind my question thanks, great those times you list are perfect, it's as though the organiser is a Wanderers fan lol. looking forward to that later today hopefully after a win.

Bonce that is sheer madness, my daughter asked for a unicycle from her partner a birthday present while she was at Uni, guessing it's my fault for passing on a weird gene lol

94Tour de France 2020 - Page 6 Empty Re: Tour de France 2020 Sat Sep 19 2020, 17:05

Sluffy

Sluffy
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Wow is this going to be one of the great upsets????

95Tour de France 2020 - Page 6 Empty Re: Tour de France 2020 Sat Sep 19 2020, 17:13

Sluffy

Sluffy
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Absolutely amazing, pure theatre and totally unexpected.

That's why I love it so much and simple can't understand why others don't!?

96Tour de France 2020 - Page 6 Empty Re: Tour de France 2020 Sat Sep 19 2020, 17:27

wessy

wessy
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

OMG only saw the last 4k stunning will watch the highlight show later, but gutted for one yet amazed by the other, and they are best mates you can't write a script that betters that finish.

97Tour de France 2020 - Page 6 Empty Re: Tour de France 2020 Sat Sep 19 2020, 19:15

observer


Andy Walker
Andy Walker

Reminds me of the time trial on the final Saturday when Fignon was beaten by LeMond,after leading by 50 seconds.  LeMond finished 8 seconds ahead of Fignon... with his aerodynamic helmet on his sprint cycle.  Lest we forget that Pedro Delgado, the favorite to win the race, showed up three minutes late for the prologue.

98Tour de France 2020 - Page 6 Empty Re: Tour de France 2020 Sat Sep 19 2020, 21:36

Sluffy

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observer wrote:
Reminds me of the time trial on the final Saturday when Fignon was beaten by LeMond,after leading by 50 seconds.  LeMond finished 8 seconds ahead of Fignon... with his aerodynamic helmet on his sprint cycle.  Lest we forget that Pedro Delgado, the favorite to win the race, showed up three minutes late for the prologue.

Yes indeed!

In fact I put a video and cut and paste about the very thing on post 29 of this thread if you want to recall old memories!

99Tour de France 2020 - Page 6 Empty Re: Tour de France 2020 Sun Sep 20 2020, 00:39

Sluffy

Sluffy
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Wow!!!!

100Tour de France 2020 - Page 6 Empty Re: Tour de France 2020 Sun Sep 20 2020, 11:04

wessy

wessy
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

Well what can you say sport at it's very best pure theatre.

Watching the difference at the end in the two cyclists, and the kudos when Roglic congratulated the victor top class.

Obviously Pogacar's TT was breathtaking and way faster than any other rider and deserving of all the rewards (Three Jersey's at 21) But i assume Roglic's abiity at TT and past history contributes to seeing his performance as a collapse.

On analysis the guy was still the 5th fastest on the TT, numbers 2,3,4 beat him by a margin that would not have taken the jersey ie less than 57 seconds.

This leaves a situation were by the only way he can lose is by Pogacar being fast enough to do damage and Roglic not performing at his very best. and sport being what sport is BOOM.

101Tour de France 2020 - Page 6 Empty Re: Tour de France 2020 Sun Sep 20 2020, 11:20

Sluffy

Sluffy
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Only thing I'd like to add to what we've already said is that I'm very pleased for Richie Porte to end up in third place today, the very least his outstanding career deserves.

The blue ribbon day for sprinters today which Bennett most be favourite for but keep an eye out for Caleb Ewan.

The stage is a bit dull to watch in all honesty but I guess it's really the yellow jersey's day and not mine and no doubt he will love every second of it.

Roglic must be completely gutted but he's young enough to come back from this and learn from it.

Maybe the pressure and expectation got to him in the end but onwards and upwards for him, as you say he did himself and the sport proud and showed his character dragging himself up to congratulate Pogacar although it probably was the last place on earth he wanted to be right then.

102Tour de France 2020 - Page 6 Empty Re: Tour de France 2020 Sun Sep 20 2020, 14:11

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

I can't decide whether it was Roglic running out of steam after leading the tour for so long, counting his chickens which would dull his competitive edge or a combination of both. TBF coming in fifth in the TT is a great effort but being so close to the prize I'd have expected him to move heaven and earth to seal the deal. Maybe he did but just came up short?
Either way, Pogacar's ride was phenomenal.

103Tour de France 2020 - Page 6 Empty Re: Tour de France 2020 Mon Sep 21 2020, 10:31

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

104Tour de France 2020 - Page 6 Empty Re: Tour de France 2020 Mon Sep 21 2020, 16:02

Sluffy

Sluffy
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More theatre to come?

A bit of background first, Quintana was really the only rider capable of beating Froome at the time - in fact he did on the Vuelta once but Froome had early beaten him on the TdF that year - and that's the one they all want to win.  Think of them as the Roglic and Pogacar of their time so to speak.

Quintanan rode for a Spanish team and always seem to not ride well with the other top Spanish riders the team had during that time - he always made out he was the team leader even though at times he clearly wasn't always the best place rider - and didn't ride to support who was.

His Spanish team and at least one of his current (and still riding) 'co-team leaders' were no strangers to doping back in the Armstrong era.

Quintana left the Spanish team in a bit of a huff last season to ride for the second rate French Team he's with now - but which has built their team around him.  His age means his best days are behind him however.

Was he trying to stick two fingers up to everybody by using some chemicals perhaps - I guess this is what the story is leading too?

Nairo Quintana’s hotel room was searched by police during final week of Tour de France, according to reports

Nairo Quintana’s hotel room was searched by police during the final week of the Tour de France, according to French media.

A search is believed to have been carried out by environment and public health officers while Quintana was staying at the Arkéa-Samsic team hotel in Les Allues, near Méribel, on Wednesday (September 16).

According to the reports, the officers from the  Central Office for the Fight Against Attacks on the Environment and Public Health (OCLAESP) searched Quintana’s room, along with rooms of his brother Dayer and fellow Colombian Winner Anacona.

The officers also searched the rooms of the masseurs and the team cars.

News emerged from French newspaper Le Journal du Dimanche, with reports suggesting it was part of a “preliminary investigation,” but it is unclear what the officers were looking for.

The search was also reportedly carried out without the French anti-doping authorities being consulted.

French newspaper L’Equipe has since reported Arkéa-Samsic team manager Emmanuel  Hubert has confirmed the search had taken place, but said it revolved around Quintana specifically and not the team itself.

Quintana had another disappointing Tour de France after looking so strong early in 2020.

Having won two stage races back to back before the coronavirus break, Quintana was back amongst the favourites for the Tour but his preparation was upended when he was hit by a car while training.

He was then caught in crashes at the Tour and fell out of contention for the overall on Grand Colombier.

Quintana eventually slipped back to 17th overall and left the race without a stage victory.

The former Vuelta a España and Giro d’Italia champion is scheduled to race the World Championships in Imola later this week, but his schedule for the rest of 2020 has not yet been confirmed.

Quintana and Arkéa-Samsic are yet to release a statement on the search.  

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/tour-de-france/nairo-quintanas-hotel-room-was-searched-by-police-during-final-week-of-tour-de-france-according-to-reports-469397

105Tour de France 2020 - Page 6 Empty Re: Tour de France 2020 Mon Sep 21 2020, 16:33

Sluffy

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Tour de France 2020 ratings: how did each team perform?

Ag2r La Mondiale 6/10
A Tour de France that started out with huge promise petered out the closer they came to Paris. Romain Bardet crashed out of the race with concussion on stage 13 while ranking fourth overall, Benoît Cosnefroy lost the polka-dot jersey on stage 17 having held it for the past fortnight, and nobody else came close to a stage win after Nans Peters success in the first week.

Arkéa-Samsic 2/10
The team put all their eggs into one basket, then dropped that basket halfway into the race. Everyone was tasked with protecting Nario Quintana, who, after a solid start, was dropped on Grand Colombier during stage 15, and continued to lose time as he apparently suffered the after-effects of a couple of crashes suffered earlier in the race. They were unable to bounce back with any breakaway success afterwards.

Astana 8/10
They didn’t make any friends attacking on a descent during the opening stage’s downpour, inadvertently causing their own leader, Miguel Ángel López, to crash, but from that point on Astana protected the Colombian well, setting him up for a spectacular stage win atop the Cole de la Loze. His podium hopes might have capitulated on the final time trial, after which he tumbled from third to sixth on GC, but an earlier Alexey Lutsenko breakaway stage win ensures that this was a successful Tour.

Bahrain-McLaren 6/10
Widely lambasted for their tactics on stage 17, when their bold pace-setting over the Col de la Madeleine and Col de la Loze succeeded only in dropping the man they were trying to set up for an attack, Bahrain-McLaren nevertheless ended the Tour well, helping Mikel Landa to jump to fourth overall. They could not, however, turn their obvious strength into either a stage win or a podium finish in Paris.

B&B Hotels-Vital Concept 4/10
Try as they might, this French wildcard team couldn’t quite land a stage win. Bryan Coquard had the chance of a lifetime when he made the split caused by the crosswinds on the road to Lavaur, but only managed to sprint for third, while for all his attacking in the mountains, Pierre Rolland was neither able to win a stage nor take the polka-dot jersey.

Bora-Hansgrohe 5/10
Despite riding very impressively as a team, things just didn’t fall into place for Bora-Hansgrohe this year. Their GC hope, Emanuel Buchmann, fell out of contention in the first week, and their aggressive racing wasn’t enough to save Peter Sagan from a rare defeat in the points classification. Lennard Kämna’s win in the Vercors — the day after he and Max Schachmann squandered a numerical advantage to finish second and third behind Dani Martínez (EF Pro Cycling), a finish that epitomised their frustrations throughout the Tour — was their one triumph.

CCC 3/10
This was a stronger team that CCC brought to the Tour compared to last year, which only made their failure once again to make an impact all the more frustrating. Greg Van Avermaet, Simon Geschke, and Matteo Trentin were regulars in breakaways, with the latter devoting himself to the points classification (in which he finished third), but none were able to claim the longed-for stage win, while poor descending prevented Ilnur Zakarin from doing so on the first stage in the Pyrenees.

Cofidis 4/10
The team’s new signing and major hope Elia Viviani flopped in the sprints, only managing a couple of top-five finishes, but Guillame Martin initially impressed in the mountains, before fading in the race’s second half to slip from third overall to 11th. Their 12-year wait for a stage win continues, though, despite some agonising near misses from Martin, who was third in an uphill sprint on Orcières-Merlette, and Jesús Herrada on stage six, who finished second behind Alexey Lutsenko.

Deceuninck-Quick-Step 8/10
They might not have racked up quite as huge a haul of stage wins in the sprints as they have in the past, but Deceuninck-Quick-Step enjoyed a different kind of success this year, helping guide a consistent and resolute Sam Bennett to victory in the points classification, as well as two bunch sprint wins. Meanwhile Julian Alaphilippe was unable to repeat his heroics from last year, but still managed a stage win in Nice plus a short stint in yellow during the first week.

EF Pro Cycling 6/10
This was a Tour of mixed fortunes for EF Pro Cycling’s trident of exciting Colombians. Twenty-four-year-old Daniel Martínez crashed in the first week and fell out of GC contention, but bounced back brilliantly to win on Puy Mary; Rigoberto Urán rode flawlessly over the first two weeks to place third overall on the final rest day, only to fall to eighth overall; and Sergio Higuita abandoned on stage 15.

Groupama-FDJ 2/10
In hindsight, Groupama-FDJ’s hopes effectively ended on the very first day, when their sole leader Thibaut Pinot [The big French hope for this Tour - Sluffy] crashed and sustained the injuries that would see him fall hopelessly out of contention in the Pyrenees. From that point on they reported to hopeful breakaways, with Sébastian Reichenbach faring best with a third-place finish on the stage in the Vercors.

Ineos Grenadiers 4/10
How the mighty have fallen. Not only were Ineos Grenadiers thoroughly outshone by rivals Jumbo-Visma, their leader Egan Bernal dramatically fell apart in the Alps and eventually abandoned, making this the first Tour de France since 2014 that the team has failed to win. Michał Kwiatkowski and Richard Carapaz at least managed to save the team’s honour with a photo-friendly one-two on stage 18.

Israel Start-Up Nation 2/10 - [The team Froome is moving to - Sluffy]
It was an underwhelming Tour de France debut for Israel Start-Up Nation. Dan Martin was unable to muster a GC challenge and fared no better from the breakaways he managed to get into, while the likes of Nils Politt and Ben Hermans managed to periodically get into breaks without making much of an impression. Fourth from Hugo Hofstetter on the stage three bunch sprint in Sisteron was their best result.

Jumbo-Visma 9/10
From day one, when road captain Tony Martin took it upon himself to neutralise the race in the rain, Jumbo-Visma sought to assert themselves, and that they did throughout the race, first to take the yellow jersey for Primož Roglič in the first week, then defend it over the next fortnight with their imposing squad of climbing super-domestiques.

Primož Roglič couldn’t quite deliver when left to his own devices in the penultimate day time trial, where he lost yellow, but on the whole this was still a serious display of strength from the team — particularly from Wout van Aert, who defied normal cycling rules to win two bunch sprints and ride with the best climbers in the Alps.

Lotto-Soudal 7/10
No team was hit harder by the opening stage carnage than Lotto-Soudal, who lost Philippe Gilbert to a crash and John Degenkolb to the time limit. But they managed to bounce back excellently, and helped Caleb Ewan to a couple of bunch sprint victories.

Mitchelton-Scott 5/10
A time penalty for Deceuninck-Quick-Step’s Julian Alaphilippe handed Adam Yates the yellow jersey on stage five, and he stubbornly held on to it for another three days. His good form encouraged him to switch from hunting stage wins to going for a high place on GC, although he couldn’t carry it into the final week and fell to ninth overall. The team were conspicuous by their absence in the breakaways, although Luka Mezgec twice managed to sprint for second-place.

Movistar 6/10
You’d be hard-pressed to remember a single Movistar doing anything these past three weeks, yet still managed to win the team classification. Their cautious but steady approach was epitomised by Enric Mas, who improved as the race went on to finish fifth overall. Given reduced expectations following the departure of their star riders, that’s a decent return, albeit rather boringly achieved.

NTT Pro Cycling 3/10
The team had high hopes for sprinter Giacomo Nizzolo, who got off to a good start with third on stage three, but wound up abandoning later that week. After that they tried their luck with breakaways, but no-one managed better than Edvald Boasson Hagen’s second-place on stage seven.

Team Sunweb 9/10
In the absence of Michael Matthews their young roster stepped up and did better than anyone could have expected. Søren Kragh Andersen was the canny victory of two stage wins, their excellent lead-out train helped Cees Bol to a couple of top-three sprint finishes, and 22-year-old Marc Hirschi was the revelation of the race, unleashing a number of monstrous attacks to take home both a stage victory and the super-combativity award.

Total Direct Energie 5/10
This was a quintessential wildcard-French-selection performance from a quintessential wildcard-French-selection team. Almost their entire roster was involved in a breakaway at some point in the race, meaning we became familiar with their blue and red jerseys, even if they didn’t come near to winning anything. - [Classic example of why 'little' teams have to get in the breaks to show their sponsors ads on their shirts because they are to outgunned to be involved at the sharp end of the races - Sluffy].

Trek-Segafredo 8/10
This didn’t look like a team set for a GC bid, but Richie Porte rolled back the years to ride the best Tour of his career at the grand age of 35, delivering the team its first podium finish since Andy Schleck back in 2011. A stage win would have been the cherry on the cake, and Mads Pedersen (second on the Champs-Élysées and in Nice), Toms Skujiņš (second on the first Pyrenean stage) and Porte himself (third in the time trial and on Grand Colombier) all came very close.

UAE Emirates 10/10
Tadej Pogačar was a bit of a one-man show, but what a show that was. Despite losing key mountain lieutenants Fabio Aru and Davide Formolo either side of the first rest day, the Slovenian road with freedom and aplomb in the mountains to win a stage each in the Pyrenees and the Alps, and then produced one of the all-time great Tour de France performances in the time trial to win the overall classification — reclaiming the yellow jersey the team had first gained on the opening stage thanks to Alexander Kristoff.

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/tour-de-france/tour-de-france-2020-ratings-how-did-each-team-perform-469353

106Tour de France 2020 - Page 6 Empty Re: Tour de France 2020 Mon Sep 21 2020, 23:06

Sluffy

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More on the potential 'drug' story -

Two people held by French authorities in Tour de France doping investigation

Arkéa-Samsic general manager says two held not employed by team.

That more or less is what the article says but there is a link to it if anybody wants to read it for themselves - sounding a bit like what Wiggins got up to with the 'jiffy bag' but without even the 'medical justification' certificate!

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/tour-de-france/report-two-people-held-after-french-prosecutor-opens-investigation-of-doping-at-tour-de-france-469420

107Tour de France 2020 - Page 6 Empty Re: Tour de France 2020 Tue Sep 22 2020, 11:47

wessy

wessy
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

Re the Teams  can't argue with any of the above, however for a novice watching without much knowledge.

 The following teams became apparent first to catch my eye was Bora-Hansgrohe (first Weeksecondly it was Team Sunweb mainly due to Marc Hirshe.


Ineos Grenadiers mainly  because of who they are, and that last years winner was mentioned a lot. Plus Carapaz was impressive to watch



Bahrain-McLaren came to the fore late in the race, but the  dominant team for me was Jumbo-Visma  because they shielded the yellow jersey so well until the fated TT.



Wierdly UAE Emirates had no impact what so ever on me they passed me by, it was all about Pogacar


Hopefully i will pick up more on the next tour in Italy

108Tour de France 2020 - Page 6 Empty Re: Tour de France 2020 Tue Sep 22 2020, 12:41

Sluffy

Sluffy
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wessy wrote:Hopefully i will pick up more on the next tour in Italy

Of course you will!

Most of the Teams will be the same, one or two of the wildcard teams might be different although they won't be so important in the scheme of things.

The riders will all be different though, I doubt many if any will be riding from the TdF to the Giro with just a couple of weeks rest, more likely a few will in the Vuelta a few weeks later though.

I'll try and pick out a few to keep an eye on when the rosters are announced but you've already got a good grasp of the basics and strategies of Tour riding and the more of them you watch, the more aware of all the layers are as to what is going on!

Role on next month!

109Tour de France 2020 - Page 6 Empty Re: Tour de France 2020 Tue Sep 22 2020, 13:35

wessy

wessy
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

Sluffy thanks in advace, you also guessed my next question in regards of a different set of riders, after 3400k guessing they need to recover, with my new found interest i will try to read about it before hand as well.

110Tour de France 2020 - Page 6 Empty Re: Tour de France 2020 Tue Sep 22 2020, 14:12

Sluffy

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wessy wrote:Sluffy thanks in advace, you also guessed my next question in regards of a different set of riders, after 3400k guessing they need to recover, with my new found interest i will try to read about it before hand as well.

Happy to help, genuinely, I'm not just saying that.

Following the various Tours over the years has given me a lot of pleasure and if I'm able to help just one other person to find something they enjoy too, then that's a bonus to me.

I can't promise the next Tour will be as exciting as this one but it is surprising how many actually have been, there's always something unexpected and jaw dropping that seems to happen, either on or off the bike.

As I repeatedly say I view it all as theatre.

The Giro usually is effected by the weather, rain and snow, with it being held usually in May and the thinking is that will still probably be the case to in October as well.

No doubt we'll see soon enough.

Anyway talking of the unexpected and jaw dropping, here's a clip of the last time Geraint Thomas was at the Giro and crashed out of it because of a policeman!

Pure theatre as per usual!



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