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211How is the Tory government doing? - Page 8 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Oct 27 2020, 12:17

sunlight

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker
The libyan version reminds me of that `welcome home ` from fireball xl5

212How is the Tory government doing? - Page 8 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Oct 27 2020, 12:25

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Andy Walker
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I have found a video for him. How to skank. Introductory lessons on skanking. He can learn this for while he is singing the anthem.

213How is the Tory government doing? - Page 8 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Oct 27 2020, 13:58

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Andy Walker
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214How is the Tory government doing? - Page 8 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Oct 27 2020, 17:13

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Andy Walker
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215How is the Tory government doing? - Page 8 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Oct 28 2020, 10:14

okocha

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Mr Johnson's food tsar has told the Times  the government has a moral obligation to stop disadvantaged children going hungry, and must set aside questions of ideology. 
Henry Dimbleby says he does not understand why Downing Street has not "owned" the row over free school meals given its commitment to levelling up - and accuses ministers of walking into a "massive bear trap".  
The Metro  highlights remarks to the BBC by the Conservative leader of Walsall Council, Mike Bird, who claimed the issue was a "political football" created by the Manchester United player, Marcus Rashford, and suggested parents struggling to feed their children should shop at Marks and Spencer. Clearly, never done a day of food shopping in his life!

216How is the Tory government doing? - Page 8 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Fri Oct 30 2020, 09:27

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Andy Walker
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217How is the Tory government doing? - Page 8 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat Oct 31 2020, 13:11

Angry Dad

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Youri Djorkaeff
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They are doing shit but not as bad as that shit scum Labour party.

218How is the Tory government doing? - Page 8 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sun Nov 01 2020, 11:26

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Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
Was it about 2 weeks ago the Tories dismissed national lock down and called Starmer opportunistic for suggesting it? Surely they could have predicted they might need to do this and could have chose their rhetoric more carefully? Too busy point scoring to deal with this crisis proactively.

219How is the Tory government doing? - Page 8 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sun Nov 01 2020, 11:47

wessy

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El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
@Angry Dad wrote:They are doing shit but not as bad as that shit scum Labour party.
This coming from a party that votes to keep foxhunting whilst voting against free school meals. or maybe a better definition of scum.

220How is the Tory government doing? - Page 8 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sun Nov 01 2020, 13:29

Sluffy

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@T.R.O.Y. wrote:Was it about 2 weeks ago the Tories dismissed national lock down and called Starmer opportunistic for suggesting it? Surely they could have predicted they might need to do this and could have chose their rhetoric more carefully? Too busy point scoring to deal with this crisis proactively.

It's politics - that's the nature of the beast - all parties point score all the time - that's why at times of crisis they need to come together and act for the best interest of the nation and not their own particular ideology.

And fwiw I don't think they believed there would be a need for a lockdown if local lockdowns had worked - and to be fair indications from the north east suggest that they might if enough people followed them properly.

Clearly that didn't happen anywhere else in the country and Burnham's stand off for over a week certainly didn't help matters as daily positive case increases across Manchester are much higher now than when Bolton topped the country's 'league table'!

Too many people simply don't follow the rules or even believe Covid exists - just watch the short video from a Bolton bloke who even in SEPTEMBER thought Covid was just a conspiracy?????

How do these people even function???

Covid: Anti-masker who caught virus had 'worst two weeks'

Covid: Anti-masker who caught virus had 'worst two weeks'

A man who refused to wear a mask to protect himself from Covid-19 after believing fake theories about the disease has said battling the virus was "the worst two weeks of my life".

Trevor Jones from Bolton said he initially listened to those who told him coronavirus was "man flu" or linked to the 5G network, but became gravely ill after testing positive in September.

He received critical care in hospital and "lost a stone and a half in 12 days".

He said his experience had changed his views on the virus and hoped it would help alter the attitudes of others too.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-manchester-54730059

Anyway it is what it is and I'd say people will just carry on meeting their friends and family as always and indoors and the spread will just continue and the lockdown will the have to carry on up to Christmas, with it only being let open again in time for Christmas Day.

Then we just wait for the next wave to hit us - as it most certainly will!

221How is the Tory government doing? - Page 8 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sun Nov 01 2020, 18:08

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Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
To be honest, I find that even more concerning if they truly believed there was no chance they’d need to National lockdown again. Sheer incompetence I’m afraid.

222How is the Tory government doing? - Page 8 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sun Nov 01 2020, 18:19

Sluffy

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@T.R.O.Y. wrote:To be honest, I find that even more concerning if they truly believed there was no chance they’d need to National lockdown again. Sheer incompetence I’m afraid.

I don't know if they truly did - France, Spain, Germany all were further along the second wave than we were, all of them have said they didn't want national lockdowns and all gone down the local lockdown instead and only this week France and Germany have gone into national lockdowns (I guess Italy will also soon enough?).

So when 'they' rejected Sage recommendations other than shutting the pubs at ten, I don't believe they though national lockdown mark two was really a possibility at that point.

Doesn't really matter what I think I know but it seems reasonable to me that they (France and Germany also) were not expecting to go into national lockdowns - but just weeks later they and us are.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't type thing - could you just imagine what shit would have been said at the time if they did go into a national lockdown a month back and France and Germany (in a far worse state than us) not!

223How is the Tory government doing? - Page 8 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sun Nov 01 2020, 18:26

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Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
You don’t think they thought it was a possibility, even though SAGE were recommending it? Doesn’t really add up to me. 

Criticising Starmer for suggesting it; and then doing it ten days later is just another sign that there’s no plan and overarching strategy behind this response, and we’re all paying for that incompetence.

224How is the Tory government doing? - Page 8 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sun Nov 01 2020, 20:23

Sluffy

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@T.R.O.Y. wrote:You don’t think they thought it was a possibility, even though SAGE were recommending it? Doesn’t really add up to me. 

Criticising Starmer for suggesting it; and then doing it ten days later is just another sign that there’s no plan and overarching strategy behind this response, and we’re all paying for that incompetence.

Sage advice is all about health.

If it was just health the government was concerned about they'd follow it.

But of course it isn't all about health it is finding a balance between that and keeping the economy going.

Obviously it is hard to strike a balance but clearly one is needed.

If it was SO obvious that a lockdown was going to happen, then why didn't Germany and France do it sooner - we are after all about two weeks behind them in positive cases.

I reckon all three country's had hoped that local lockdowns and people generally following the 'rules' would get them through but enough people clearly aren't following the rules - it is as simple as that really - and hence the need for national lockdowns in those three country's (and others too!).

To my mind even three/four days ago or whenever it was that all the projections showed a worse case scenario than what we had though was our worse case scenario from the meeting before - there were no plans for a national lockdown let alone a week previous when Starmer was asking for one.

The goalposts move unfortunately, nothing is set in stone and what was the right view two weeks ago now look utterly wrong now - and visa versa.

Nobody KNOWS the right thing to do, otherwise we'd all be doing it obviously.

The right thing was thought to be keep the economy going and manage things through local lock downs but that plan didn't work.

If they had gone for national lockdowns two weeks ago then no doubt the opposition party's in all three country's would be screaming about their government's doing unnecessary damage to their economies and shops and business closing down for good!

They can't win either way really can they - one man's meat is another man's poison type thing.

I'm sure the government isn't doing what they are doing just to spite Starmer, they are doing it because they believe it to be the best course of action to keep the economy going with the pandemic still high in the community.

Let's face it, it's people that are spreading the virus not the tory government.

If people just stuck to the simple rules we wouldn't need another lockdown would we?

225How is the Tory government doing? - Page 8 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sun Nov 01 2020, 20:29

xmiles

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Jay Jay Okocha
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And then there is the corruption. Dido Harding is doing nothing to make Test and Trace work but is given an additional job as Chair of the National Institute for Health Protection despite having no background in health. Perhaps the PM's Anti-Corruption Champion could investigate this - except he is Dido's husband Tory MP John Penrose.

Then we have Boris appointing Kate Bingham as head of Britain's Vaccine Taskforce despite her knowing nothing about vaccines - but her husband is a Tory minister. Last week she leaked sensitive information about government plans to some of her venture capital chums. Nothing will be done about this of course.

226How is the Tory government doing? - Page 8 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sun Nov 01 2020, 23:16

okocha

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Never known such consensus amongst all the TV News channels and the print media. 

All are heavily critical of the government's handling of the second wave, not least because the opportunity has been missed to arrange a firebreak lockdown to coincide with school half term (a whole fortnight if weekends and training days either side are included).

 It is in secondary schools that the rate of infection is rising fast now, so they go back tomorrow to risk the health of children and teachers unnecessarily, with an exposential rise in the number of cases the likely result.

Clear warnings, provided by expert scientists, by Labour and via precedents in neighbouring countries, were on show for all but the most pig-headed, elitist cabinet to follow, but oh no, England knows best! Everyone's out of step except us!

Ministers needed to set good examples, deliver clear messaging and an effective track and trace system. All these have been missing from the very beginnng of the pandemic here. The public are likely to follow a consistent, honest lead more readily, as they have done in New Zealand, the best example of all to guide the UK's response.
Is there anyone left who trusts the word and the competence of Boris and his ministers?

227How is the Tory government doing? - Page 8 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Mon Nov 02 2020, 10:09

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Andy Walker
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228How is the Tory government doing? - Page 8 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Mon Nov 02 2020, 10:44

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
"SAGE advice is all about health" is a fair comment and the Government have to also consider the economy in making any decision - however Sir Keir cited the economy as one of the reasons why we should have taken action sooner and he turned out to be right as we now have an open-ended lockdown of at least a month as opposed to the shorter, earleir lockdown that would have helped bring down the infection rate to a manageable level.

229How is the Tory government doing? - Page 8 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Mon Nov 02 2020, 11:08

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Tony Kelly
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Agree with Lust. My point was slightly different though in that they didn't even seem to think neednig national lockdown was a possibility - despite Sage advising it. Which is incredibly short sighted and yet more mixed messaging to deal with.

230How is the Tory government doing? - Page 8 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Mon Nov 02 2020, 11:27

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
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Point is that in allowing Covid to reach a critical mass again, the economy will get f***** over again.
Sunak is still wandering around trying to solve the problem (and make out he's a nice guy) by borrowing more than ever - literally more than ever - and the nation will be paying the bill for generations.

231How is the Tory government doing? - Page 8 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Mon Nov 02 2020, 13:09

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker
All these Tory PM`s that shirk their duties after a third of a term because they have got the PM wage for life thing. There are loads of them. Far more than Labour ones. Bojo is itching to go, as he hates work, and has got what he wants now.
All those who voted Tory to stop immigration, well there has been way more immigration under Tory than Labour, so well done.
The Tories with Brexit have destroyed the country.

232How is the Tory government doing? - Page 8 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Mon Nov 02 2020, 13:32

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
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@sunlight wrote:All these Tory PM`s that shirk their duties after a third of a term because they have got the PM wage for life thing. There are loads of them. Far more than Labour ones. Bojo is itching to go, as he hates work, and has got what he wants now.
All those who voted Tory to stop immigration, well there has been way more immigration under Tory than Labour, so well done.
The Tories with Brexit have destroyed the country.
The destruction is just beginning though - we have the biggest impact of Brexit to come.
And that's despite Bloomberg Economic's assessment that lost economic growth (excluding Covid impact) has already cost us more than we paid into the EU in 47 years of membership.
What happens when the price hikes, supply shortages, business closures and job losses kick in next year?
Economic carnage.
On top of the bill for covid.
Whilst Boris will be creaming it in from the American lecture circuit - and his soon to be best-selling book "My Way".

233How is the Tory government doing? - Page 8 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Mon Nov 02 2020, 13:42

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Tony Kelly
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Reports suggest that should Biden win on Tuesday the government will do a massive pivot and push for an EU trade deal as without Trump in office suddenly this government are ideologically very isolated.

234How is the Tory government doing? - Page 8 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Mon Nov 02 2020, 13:43

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Tony Kelly
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@T.R.O.Y. wrote:Reports suggest that should Biden win on Tuesday the government will do a massive pivot and push for an EU trade deal as without Trump in office they become very isolated ideologically.

235How is the Tory government doing? - Page 8 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Mon Nov 02 2020, 15:39

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
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Reports from where?

236How is the Tory government doing? - Page 8 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Nov 05 2020, 19:30

okocha

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Just when you thought things couldn't get any worse. Shocking and shameful!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54831334

The government has been criticised by the official statistics watchdog for the way it presented data to justify England's second lockdown.
The UK Statistics Authority highlighted the use of modelling at Saturday's TV briefing showing the possible death toll from Covid this winter.
It said there needed to be more transparency about data and how predictions were being made.
The projections were out of date and over-estimated deaths, it has emerged.
The projection was made weeks ago and had forecast there would be 1,000 deaths a day by the end of October when the average was actually four times less than that - a fact that was known at the time of Saturday's TV briefing.
What is more, the model had already been updated to predict a lower estimate, but this was not used in the briefing fronted by chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance and chief medical officer Prof Chris Whitty, alongside Prime Minister Boris Johnson.

237How is the Tory government doing? - Page 8 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Mon Nov 09 2020, 13:22

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@T.R.O.Y. wrote:Reports suggest that should Biden win on Tuesday the government will do a massive pivot and push for an EU trade deal as without Trump in office suddenly this government are ideologically very isolated.
I can't see them doing a 180 but with Biden having already said that a trade deal with the UK won't be possible unless the Internal Markets Bill is rescinded a deal with the EU takes on even more significance than it already did.
We have little chance of getting a deal with the US that is anywhere near as strong as the EU-US trade deal - the Ways and Means Committee have made it clear we're way down their list of priorities now - so Brexit is looking increasingly like a one way ticket to financial ruin - as predicted. However I think there'll be an internal battle between those who have nothing to lose from f****** over the UK (the offshore billionaires and the extreme ideologists epitomised by Cummings) on the one hand, and the centrist Tories on the other. It mirrors the current ideological dilemma the Republicans are facing to my mind, but Trump was/is so extreme and divisive it was relatively easy for the people to show their strength at the ballot box to get rid of him whereas here we haven't got an election for a while and we haven't started to experience Brexit yet so the context is different.

This article outlines the issue the Government now faces.

238How is the Tory government doing? - Page 8 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Nov 10 2020, 14:10

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Further to the above, the Lords overwhelmingly (433 to 165) voted the Internal Markets bill down yesterday. Instead they voted to remove call the clauses that relate to overriding the existing deal with the EU on Northern Ireland. Details here.

Despite this, Boris has stated he will use the Commons majority to reinstate the offending clauses - which will break international law and scupper any chance of a trade deal with Joe Biden's USA.

Bit of an awkward one for Brexiteers I guess seeing as the Leave campaign promised a raft of new international trade deals with the USA trade deal front and centre. And obviously if it's not possible to fulfill that promise (as if it ever was) the Tories have to decide which promises they will break instead.

To me it seems completely bonkers and bloody minded to take the option that will have by far the greatest negative economic impact on the UK - after all, they're selling out leave voters either way so why not at least try to salvage the economy - and at the same time retain at least a modicum of international respect?

Very noticeable that Biden still hasn't called Boris - possibly the first US President Elect not to do so?

239How is the Tory government doing? - Page 8 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Nov 10 2020, 17:21

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@wanderlust wrote:Further to the above, the Lords overwhelmingly (433 to 165) voted the Internal Markets bill down yesterday. Instead they voted to remove call the clauses that relate to overriding the existing deal with the EU on Northern Ireland. Details here.

Despite this, Boris has stated he will use the Commons majority to reinstate the offending clauses - which will break international law and scupper any chance of a trade deal with Joe Biden's USA.

Bit of an awkward one for Brexiteers I guess seeing as the Leave campaign promised a raft of new international trade deals with the USA trade deal front and centre. And obviously if it's not possible to fulfill that promise (as if it ever was) the Tories have to decide which promises they will break instead.

To me it seems completely bonkers and bloody minded to take the option that will have by far the greatest negative economic impact on the UK - after all, they're selling out leave voters either way so why not at least try to salvage the economy - and at the same time retain at least a modicum of international respect?

Very noticeable that Biden still hasn't called Boris - possibly the first US President Elect not to do so?

Boris Johnson congratulates Joe Biden in phone call

UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson has congratulated Joe Biden on his US election win, in their first phone conversation since last week's vote.

It is believed that Mr Biden called Mr Johnson ahead of other leaders of major European countries.

The prime minister said he looked forward to "strengthening the partnership" between the US and UK and work on "our shared priorities".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54892505

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Tony Kelly
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Great news! We’re not as free as we were, thanks Priti

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