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91How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Sep 30 2020, 16:40

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
 When the (Boltonian) speaker is saying you have shown nothing but contempt for parliament, it shows how bad things truly are.

The imminent press conference (leaked to friendly reporters and not discussed, as usual) will involve more restrictions to cover the fact he has no handle on track and trace.

92How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Sep 30 2020, 16:56

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@okocha wrote:I was for a while posting every other day about Boris and the poodles, but there are now so many issues daily that I'd be accused of wearing out the same old record.....and I must admit I feel that way too now! I've been worn down by the sheer volume of errors and sly manipulations!

But I've been driven to comment on the most sinister thing which imo is this pursuit of absolute power with no scrutiny allowed.

 Attempts to prorogue parliament was one thing and now attempts to ensure that there can be no involvement of any MPs beyond ministers on vital national decision-making is another, but.....
.... I object massively to the Tories' recommendations for senior positions at OFCOM(?)  and on the BBC board (as potential chair), both loud, crass critics of our world-renowned BBC news reporting. 

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/sep/27/no-10-told-charles-moore-appointment-could-put-bbcs-independence-at-risk

We seem to be trying to discredit the parts of the UK which are held in the greatest esteem globally. Trump tactics must not be allowed to take place here.
The hand of Murdoch is all over this government.

93How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Sep 30 2020, 17:29

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

94How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Oct 01 2020, 11:39

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Latest from the BBC website:


The EU has begun legal proceedings against the UK after it refused to ditch plans to override sections of its Brexit divorce deal.


An EU deadline for the government to remove sections of the Internal Market Bill passed on Wednesday.


The "letter of formal notice" could eventually lead to a court case against the UK at the European Court of Justice, the EU's top court.

95How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Oct 01 2020, 12:04

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 1*CWpY7geBh2nXYLrPDaGFCQ

::FU::






I'm only joking before anyone kicks off about it!!!

Very Happy

96How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Oct 01 2020, 15:16

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
London used to be the financial capital of the world and the sector has contributed 7% of our total GDP but as the Brexit business exit continues, this week 7500 finance jobs and £1.2 TRILLION of assets moved to the EU. Ooops.

97How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Oct 01 2020, 15:23

T.R.O.Y.


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
Finally starting to see some Brexit benefits as the government plan what to do with Asylum seekers. 

The (genuine) suggestions so far include:

- Flying them 4,000 miles to Ascension Island and building a facility for them there
- Holding them on a disused ferry offshore
- Using a wave machine to rock the boats sufficiently enough for them to return back to France

..dunno..

98How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Oct 01 2020, 16:06

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
This is worrying.
I've mentioned the German Kurzarbeit (short time work) scheme before in the context of Sunak's furlough scheme and after criticism Sunak promised something similar to the Kurzarbeit programme but unfortunately he's fallen way short and put huge costs on employers.
Kurzarbeit has been in place for years and is a tried and tested way of retaining jobs and skills so why try to reinvent the wheel - especially as it's been proven to work?

Unfortunately Sunak has come up with a formula that makes it cheaper for employers to sack one employee than to retain two.

Basically it's a financial incentive to sack people.

How dumb is that?

99How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Oct 01 2020, 16:10

sunlight

sunlight
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
What the Tories do, everytime they get in, is hurt the working class as much as they can, and help the wealthy. This sort of thing isnt incompetence its possibly deliberate.
Everytime the working class starts doing ok they put a stop to it.

100How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Oct 01 2020, 16:47

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Things should improve next week. Parliament is having a holiday so there'll be no discussion of the Tory back bench revolt, the £ plummeting, being sued by the EU or the little matters of Covid and Brexshit.

101How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Oct 01 2020, 17:46

sunlight

sunlight
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 LnaXq9f

102How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Oct 01 2020, 18:03

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@sunlight wrote:How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 LnaXq9f
Just when people started to forget she existed.  Mad

103How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Oct 01 2020, 18:22

sunlight

sunlight
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
Im just using her gif for entertainment purposes.

104How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Oct 01 2020, 18:29

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
@sunlight wrote:How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 LnaXq9f
Pain in the neck, shouldn't she be in school?



Last edited by Cajunboy on Thu Oct 01 2020, 18:32; edited 1 time in total

105How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Oct 01 2020, 18:30

sunlight

sunlight
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Ui3VHzg

tongue

106How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Oct 01 2020, 18:33

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
@sunlight wrote:How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Ui3VHzg

tongue
:yeahright:

107How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Oct 01 2020, 18:34

sunlight

sunlight
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
I am not a fan of hers. I am just being silly.

108How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Oct 01 2020, 18:41

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
I'm always being silly.

109How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Fri Oct 02 2020, 12:41

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
This article in the Independent is quite sobering as it lists some of the unresolved issues which "remain to be solved and can blow up into a Brexiternity of rows and problems in years ahead, even if a face-saving deal on trade and state subsidies is concluded by Christmas."


There are few career options in there Sunlight!


1. Michael Gove has announced 7,000 strong lorry queues  from 1 January. Businesses need to employ more than 50,000 customs agents.
2. A special permit or passport is needed for lorries to enter Kent. The old Soviet Union had internal passports, but this is a first for Britain. Kent, and other port towns, become large lorry parks.
3. British car manufacturers face tariffs on components imported from out of the EU , which will make cars – all made by foreign-owned firms, notably Japanese auto firms – more expensive to sell in Europe. Unsurprisingly, the EU will not accept Japanese or Turkish components as British
4. Multi-billion pound UK chemical industry says leaving the EU Reach regulatory system will make it difficult and far more expensive to produce chemical products, plastics, cosmetics, detergents etc. in the UK and it would be foolish to set up a parallel UK regulatory system for chemicals.
5. Latest reports say 7,500 financial services jobs have been relocated to EU capitals . JP Morgan transfers 200 key staff to Frankfurt to become Germany’s sixth-biggest bank. Financial services employers are the single biggest category of taxpayers to pay for public services.
6. Manufacturers cannot print catalogues for next spring as they do not know what prices they will pay for any imported elements of a British made food or product. Nor can they print labels as they do not know what information to put on the labels. They lose the EU quality mark.
7. The former head of MI6, John Sawyer and the former UK EU commissioner, Julian King, have publicly expressed concern about the threat to British security. The UK made 570,000 applications to the EU database on people recorded crossing frontiers. Thousands of requests have also been made to the EU PRUM database for DNA checks on criminals and terrorists. The UK was the biggest user of EU security databases.
8. The UK has so far refused to accept EU data transfer rules necessary to protect privacy. If Johnson and Dominic Cummings  maintain this hard line then in theory all data exchanges with the UK that can be transferred to America will be illegal and blocked. There will be a big hit to holiday bookings as such bookings involve data transfers to and from EU.
9. Farms minister George Eustice told MPs there would be five times as many forms to fill on any food exports. Exports of beef and lamb, other animal food products (meat) will be hampered by a severe shortage of vets.
10.  Exporters are told to recruit 60,000 new bureaucrats to fill in hundreds of millions of new forms necessary to trade as a “third country” with the EU. This will be the same number as soldiers in the British Army soon. There is no figure on the extra number of customs agents the government will need to recruit.
11. The City of London faces losing 350,000 “EU passports” which allows firms and individuals across the financial services sector to do business with formalities in 27 EU nation states.
12.  While Switzerland voted on Sunday  in a referendum to overturn a 2014 referendum banning the free movement of people, Priti Pate l is putting endless obstacles in the way of care homes, the construction, fruit and vegetable picking, transport and hospitality sectors from recruiting European workers to offset the shortage of British workers.
13. It will be necessary to get an international driving licence to drive in Europe.
14. British pet owners will not be able to take their dogs and other pets to the continent without expensive and time consuming veterinary surgeon vaccinations, checks and documents.  
15. British people will lose their free European Health Insurance Card (EHIC) and travel for business or holidays will be more expensive as healthcare insurance has to be taken out.
16. Bank accounts of Brits living in France, Spain, Greece are being closed down as Lloyds, Barclays etc. say it is too expensive to set up separate entities in line with 27 national sets of rules.
17. The UK has signed a free trade agreement (FTA) with Japan, which has more stringent rules on state aid than proposed by the EU. Dominic Raab subsequently agreed on a FTA with Vietnam. Vietnam exports $6.02bn to the UK. The UK exports £300m to Vietnam. Smart thinkers, the Vietnamese.
18. Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, and Donald Trump’s Northern Ireland envoy  have all confirmed there will be no FTA with the UK if the changes to the Northern Irish border signalled in the Internal Markets Act, which boasts about breaking international law, take effect.
19. Up to 2 million Brits who live in Europe for most or some of the year, do not know their future as they have to get new driving licences in languages they may not speak and can only stay for 90 days in a 180-day period in homes they own, as the UK becomes a third country subject to 27 sets of national rules and regulations on rights of foreigners to live, work and retire.
20. The fishing thing

110How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Fri Oct 02 2020, 12:46

sunlight

sunlight
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
Is there a course for `Customs Agents` in Bojos free courses?

111How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat Oct 03 2020, 10:32

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
James Cleverley is surely the most barefaced of the government's liars with his avowal on Breakfast TV today that their attempts to circumvent what they signed up to re the Withdrawal Bill do not break international law! 

How does he have the nerve to stare down the camers lens and deny what other ministers have already admitted? There is no trust left globally in the UK's word. Trade deals now more unlikely.

Well done to the BBC for showing later that Cleverley's assertions are untrue.

112How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat Oct 03 2020, 12:00

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Boris has come out with a statement saying that "it is now up to the EU"  to agree a trade deal or not.

Just wondering on what planet that amounts to "taking back control"?

113How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sun Oct 04 2020, 19:45

sunlight

sunlight
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 GaXPz25

114How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Oct 07 2020, 17:02

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Following on from Priti Patel's being defeated in the HOL on Monday it now seems Boris is set to make further concessions to the EU in order to salvage some sort of deal including retaining the Human Rights Act here.
This is significant inasmuch that it means that the UK will have to accept refugees and effectively is a concession of one of the key pillars of Brexit.
With further concessions on Fishing rights, the NI border and State Subsidies on the table it's starting to look like the Government will be conceding pretty much everything the Leave vote campaigned for.
Worse still, we'll be losing all 40 international trade deals and all the other benefits of being in the EU - and for what?
If as expected, these concessions are made, what will we have achieved?

115How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Oct 08 2020, 15:44

sunlight

sunlight
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
@wanderlust wrote:Following on from Priti Patel's being defeated in the HOL on Monday it now seems Boris is set to make further concessions to the EU in order to salvage some sort of deal including retaining the Human Rights Act here.
This is significant inasmuch that it means that the UK will have to accept refugees and effectively is a concession of one of the key pillars of Brexit.
With further concessions on Fishing rights, the NI border and State Subsidies on the table it's starting to look like the Government will be conceding pretty much everything the Leave vote campaigned for.
Worse still, we'll be losing all 40 international trade deals and all the other benefits of being in the EU - and for what?
If as expected, these concessions are made, what will we have achieved?
The refugee rules are NATO and not to do with the EU.
Anyone whom voted to come out of the EU in order to control borders from refugees did so in ignorance.
It hasnt got anything to do with the EU.
To stop the regugees would require us to come out of NATO.

116How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Oct 08 2020, 16:37

sunlight

sunlight
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
Is it me or should Kier Starmer be telling us when something is bollocks?

117How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Oct 08 2020, 17:01

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
No, its not you. To date, Keir Starmers effect on the political world peaked with his acceptance speech, and its all been downhill since then.

118How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Oct 08 2020, 17:05

sunlight

sunlight
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
@gloswhite wrote:No, its not you. To date, Keir Starmers effect on the olitical world peaked with his acceptance speech, and its all been downhill since then.

Are we saying he is another Tory that has infiltrated the Labour Party? I was pondering this when I saw he was a " Sir ".

119How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Oct 08 2020, 17:19

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@sunlight wrote:

Are we saying he is another Tory that has infiltrated the Labour Party? I was pondering this when I saw he was a " Sir ".
The moment I saw John Prescott wearing his finery, my heart sank.

How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 John-Prescott-new-peers-i-006

120How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Oct 08 2020, 17:20

sunlight

sunlight
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
@boltonbonce wrote:
The moment I saw John Prescott wearing his finery, my heart sank.

How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 John-Prescott-new-peers-i-006

Lordy!

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