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31Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies on Sun Apr 01 2012, 17:05

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Why would you want to know that?

There are two types of people in the world:

1) Those that iron their underpants/knickers

2) Those that throw caution to the wind and don't

I'm just interested to know which camp you fall into.

32Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies on Sun Apr 01 2012, 17:08

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
It sort of depends how lazy I'm being when i get my laundry dry.

33Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies on Sun Apr 01 2012, 17:38

gloswhite

gloswhite
Jay Jay Okocha
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I have mine starched and pressed. Mmmm, I love 'em !

34Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies on Sun Apr 01 2012, 19:03

Keegan

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You've got to love warm underpants.

https://forum.boltonnuts.co.uk

35Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies on Mon Apr 02 2012, 13:19

wanderlust


Nat Lofthouse
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
* Ngog made Alonso's goal (still trying to get over Alonso scoring) and when we have other players around him he has the touch to be useful

Ngog created Alonso's goal because he missed a sitter himself. It's time to stop making excuses for this overpaid ponce and admit Liverpool sold us a 'Carroll'.
It could be argued was the context.

36Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies on Wed Apr 04 2012, 12:05

largehat

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Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
I don't see why anybody should iron their underpants. There is no benefit. You want your underpants and contents to be rebellious and free.

With regards to Kevin Davies, he's going to have to do a lot more off the bench to justify a start I am afraid. It's all well and good looking at Ngog's scoring record, but if you compare it to Kevin Davies' scoring record over the course of his tenure as a first teamer, the ratio of goals to games will not be much different, and Davies took the penalties for years.

Up until around 18 months ago anyone suggesting Davies should be dropped because he doesn't score enough goals would actually have been laughed at.

Unfortunately Ngog does a similar job but he doesn't have the same service Davies got in his prime and he doesn't have the same calibre of players feeding off his scraps, so he is less effective at the moment.

Although we do need goals and results over the next 10 games, the good news is that Ngog is just turned 23, so if we do go down and have to sell, he has a decent resale value, unlike your typical Allardyce or Megson signing up front. Same with Sordell.

37Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies on Wed Apr 04 2012, 15:39

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:

With regards to Kevin Davies, he's going to have to do a lot more off the bench to justify a start I am afraid. It's all well and good looking at Ngog's scoring record, but if you compare it to Kevin Davies' scoring record over the course of his tenure as a first teamer, the ratio of goals to games will not be much different, and Davies took the penalties for years.


So we should just ignore current form? Davies is on fire by his standards, 2 in 2. If Sordell had the same record there would be a Downing Street petition to make sure he played.

38Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies on Wed Apr 04 2012, 15:44

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Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
You can't count half an hour of football spaced across 2 appearances as good form after such a terrible run in the first half of the season. If he wants to earn his place on form, stick him in the reserves and see how he gets on. He's not an option over 90 minutes for me. This is just my personal opinion. No flames, please.

39Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies on Wed Apr 04 2012, 15:49

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:You can't count half an hour of football spaced across 2 appearances as good form after such a terrible run in the first half of the season.

Of course you can. He was dropped, trained hard and now is back to his best. 2 in 2 proves that.

40Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies on Wed Apr 04 2012, 15:58

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Frank Worthington
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How can you seriously think he is back to his best after two late sub appearances? At his best, he bullied every centre half in the country and was unplayable.

His first goal was a tap-in which he shinned in from close range, and did you see the attempted challenge by Roger Johnson for his second goal? Wolves' defence had collapsed. He's not been playing enough for either first team or reserves, he might not even be match fit, never mind back to his best.

Think we will have to agree to disagree on this one, Natara.

41Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies on Wed Apr 04 2012, 16:01

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:How can you seriously think he is back to his best after two late sub appearances?

How do you know he's not? He took his goal against Wolves like Lionel Messi.

42Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies on Wed Apr 04 2012, 16:04

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Frank Worthington
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
How do you know he's not? He took his goal against Wolves like Lionel Messi.

I don't "know he's not", it's just my opinion.

But as the person agitating for change, the onus is on you to put together a convincing reason to bring him back into the team, all you've said so far is that he's scored 2 goals and likened him to Messi. So one step forward and one step back in your campaign.

43Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies on Wed Apr 04 2012, 16:11

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:

I don't "know he's not", it's just my opinion.

But as the person agitating for change, the onus is on you to put together a convincing reason to bring him back into the team, all you've said so far is that he's scored 2 goals and likened him to Messi. So one step forward and one step back in your campaign.

Surely you will agree Ngog looks as likely to score as Graham Norton would in that position. I don't know his exact record, but it must be something like 3 in 20 games. And I know you're now going to throw the "he works so hard" card at me, but I'd rather have some goals than someone working hard.

There are no guarantees, but Davies is scoring goals, we should give him the chance to continue.

** I should say I wouldn't pick him on Saturday

44Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies on Wed Apr 04 2012, 16:20

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
The reason he had such a good impact against Wolves, IMO, was because he was used in the right way.

Impact off the bench for the last 15-20 minutes.

45Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies on Wed Apr 04 2012, 16:32

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Frank Worthington
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Natasha, you can't convince me that Kevin Davies is a goal machine with his goals to games return after watching him play for 8 seasons, just as you can't convince me he is in form after a season of diabolical performances based on his last 30 minutes of action.

As Hipster says, you want whoever isn't in the team to play. Are you still suggesting we should drop Adam Bogdan, or am I a week out of date with the Whittam master plan?

46Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies on Wed Apr 04 2012, 18:10

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Natasha, you can't convince me that Kevin Davies is a goal machine with his goals to games return after watching him play for 8 seasons, just as you can't convince me he is in form after a season of diabolical performances based on his last 30 minutes of action.

As Hipster says, you want whoever isn't in the team to play. Are you still suggesting we should drop Adam Bogdan, or am I a week out of date with the Whittam master plan?

As usualy you're going overboard with my comments. I didn't say Davies was a goal machine, simply that for him he was in good goalscoring form. And I notice you avoided my question about Ngog, do you admit he's useless?

47Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies on Wed Apr 04 2012, 18:27

Dunkels King

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Nicolas Anelka
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:The reason he had such a good impact against Wolves, IMO, was because he was used in the right way.

Impact off the bench for the last 15-20 minutes.




The reason he had an impact is because Wolves are the worst team in the Premier League. Having said that, I would rather he did come on with 15 minutes left than get a full game at the moment. I think if he only gets 15 minutes he can increase his work rate rather than plodding for 90 minutes.

48Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies on Wed Apr 04 2012, 19:16

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Lets not forget Wolves battered us for 50 minutes.

They weren't playing like "the worst team in the league"

after the penalty Davies took a lot of the pressure off for us.

49Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies on Wed Apr 04 2012, 19:43

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Frank Worthington
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
As usualy you're going overboard with my comments. I didn't say Davies was a goal machine, simply that for him he was in good goalscoring form. And I notice you avoided my question about Ngog, do you admit he's useless?

You didn't ask me a question about Ngog.

50Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies on Wed Apr 04 2012, 19:46

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Ha ha, you're right. I did write it then had to go into a meeting and didn't post it. My apologies.

51Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies on Wed Apr 04 2012, 21:28

Dunkels King

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Nicolas Anelka
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Lets not forget Wolves battered us for 50 minutes.

They weren't playing like "the worst team in the league"

after the penalty Davies took a lot of the pressure off for us.



You're right to a certain extent but Wolves are bottom of the league so they are currently the worst team, and their recent form of one win and five defeats in their last six games backs that up. I remember years ago we battered Bristol Rovers in Bath but we still couldn't score that day despite having over 20 corners. They defended well, and that is what we did against Wolves, plus they really must be crap if they could only put one goal in against one of the worst defences in the league, as in us.

52Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies on Wed Apr 11 2012, 03:05

doffcocker

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Ivan Campo
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OK, so we're back to that stage where we're worrying that because Kevin's had an OK short period of a game, there's danger of him being in the starting line up for the following match.

Here's why he shouldn't start against Swansea despite a surprisingly decent first half against Newcastle...

He's like a bad smell that won't go away, for want of a kinder way of describing a player that's been great for the club in his time. When you think he couldn't get less useful if he tried, he gives a ballsy 10 to 30 minute performance, but doesn't back it up with a similar show in the following match in which he's been rewarded a proper opportunity. He looks lively for ten minute periods against Arsenal and Norwich, but the cost of his selection against Wigan the following week is arguably three points. He has a positive impact at Wolves, for which he's rewarded the entire second half against Fulham and he's completely ineffective.

So these periods in which Davies shows signs of promise can do more harm than good.

Would you keep him in the side to face Swansea?

53Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies on Wed Apr 11 2012, 09:15

xmiles

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I wouldn't start him but I have a horrible feeling that Coyle will.

54Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies on Wed Apr 11 2012, 12:15

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:

So these periods in which Davies shows signs of promise can do more harm than good.

Would you keep him in the side to face Swansea?

Not sure about Swansea but I think he's a cert against Villa next Tuesday, by all accounts he was our MOTM on Monday so I can't see OC dropping him after that. Plus we know Sordell isn't going to get a game so I would probably stick with Davies over Ngog at the moment, though neither offer much in terms of goal threat.

The only change I can see happening for the Villa game is Eagles out and Ryo in to be honest.

55Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies on Wed Apr 11 2012, 13:08

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
The season is almost over and Coyle still doesn't know who his best forward is. His leading scorer is on the bench, his record signing is shite, his almost record signing hasn't started a single game, and his captain is past it.

It's called not knowing your arse from your elbow and why he should have been sacked months ago.

56Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies on Wed Apr 11 2012, 15:40

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Frank Worthington
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So how do you think starting Kevin Davies worked out, Natasha, seeing as you were calling for it on here?

57Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies on Wed Apr 11 2012, 15:47

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:So how do you think starting Kevin Davies worked out, Natasha, seeing as you were calling for it on here?

I don't blame Davies for our recent defeats, the support from midfield is woeful. Hence why you're better with a player like Sordell who is more likely to create something from nothing.

58Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies on Wed Apr 11 2012, 15:58

Hipster_Nebula

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Nat Lofthouse
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And if Sordell comes on and has a stinker.... guess who'll be the first person on here calling him a "fanny" and the worst player ever to pull on the shirt.

yep, you guessed it WUM

59Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies on Wed Apr 11 2012, 16:01

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:And if Sordell comes on and has a stinker.... guess who'll be the first person on here calling him a "fanny" and the worst player ever to pull on the shirt.

yep, you guessed it WUM

I'd give him at least 30 minutes.

60Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies on Wed Apr 11 2012, 20:58

gloswhite

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Lucky boy, what about the football ? Very Happy

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