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31 Re: Hull 4-0 BWFC on Fri Aug 25 2017, 21:40

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Nat Lofthouse
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Absolutely terrible!

GET IT SORTED PARKY!

32 Re: Hull 4-0 BWFC on Fri Aug 25 2017, 21:42

boltonbonce

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Out of our depth in this league.

33 Re: Hull 4-0 BWFC on Fri Aug 25 2017, 21:46

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karlypants wrote:Absolutely terrible!

WALK AWAY PARKY

34 Re: Hull 4-0 BWFC on Fri Aug 25 2017, 21:46

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I guarantee you Parky will praise the boys for their second half showing.

35 Re: Hull 4-0 BWFC on Fri Aug 25 2017, 22:12

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This,from a Hull forum,sums us up.

love the right back for Bolton who is about 10 yards behind everyone else playing him on, sticking his hand up hoping in vain that the lino is a useless ****

36 Re: Hull 4-0 BWFC on Fri Aug 25 2017, 22:20

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37 Re: Hull 4-0 BWFC on Sat Aug 26 2017, 01:04

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Bolton Wanderers boss Phil Parkinson offers apology for Hull City defeat

PHIL Parkinson has apologised to Wanderers fans who watched their side hammered 4-0 by Hull City tonight.
Jared Bowen scored twice as the Tigers ended a run of three consecutive defeats with a comprehensive win.
Adama Diomande and man of the match Kamil Grosicki completed the rout, which leaves the Whites second bottom and guaranteed to be in the relegation zone throughout the international break.
A 1,072 travelling contingent of Bolton supporters made the trip to Humberside hoping to see their team build on the Carabao Cup win over Sheffield Wednesday.

But after conceding three goals in the opening 30 minutes the contest was over – and Parkinson could only praise the vocal backing supplied by the fans despite the score-line.
“The only plus point I can possibly take was the supporters, who stuck behind us and I apologise to them because the performance was not good enough,” he told The Bolton News.
Parkinson was left fuming by a first-half challenge by Ireland international David Meyler on Jem Karacan, which forced the former Reading man off after 15 minutes.
“That challenge is a straight red in the current climate,” he said. “It’s not my only concern on the night, and I’m stood there, the linesman is there, the fourth official is there and we can all see it’s a reckless challenge in danger of hurting an opponent; it has done.

“It should have been a red and with Jem hobbling around, they went and got the first goal.”
Asked for an update on the midfielder’s fitness, Parkinson added: “He’s wearing a protective cast but we won’t know exactly how bad it is until we get back to Bolton for an x-ray.
“He jumped in two-footed on Jem’s standing foot and caught him just above the ankle. I cannot understand how that was not a red card offence.”
Parkinson gave no excuses for the performance and said he would review his own selection policy after seeing his side come a distant second best.
“We couldn’t cope with their pace and power all over the pitch,” he said.

“It should have been a red and with Jem hobbling around, they went and got the first goal.”
Asked for an update on the midfielder’s fitness, Parkinson added: “He’s wearing a protective cast but we won’t know exactly how bad it is until we get back to Bolton for an x-ray.
“He jumped in two-footed on Jem’s standing foot and caught him just above the ankle. I cannot understand how that was not a red card offence.”
Parkinson gave no excuses for the performance and said he would review his own selection policy after seeing his side come a distant second best.
“We couldn’t cope with their pace and power all over the pitch,” he said.

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38 Re: Hull 4-0 BWFC on Sat Aug 26 2017, 01:13

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“We couldn’t cope with their pace and power all over the pitch,” he said. 


And that sums up the problem because all the fast, powerful and skilful player are playing for other teams.
Our only hope is system and organisation and that has to come from Parky.

39 Re: Hull 4-0 BWFC on Sat Aug 26 2017, 01:15

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MARC ILES' BIG MATCH VERDICT: Hull City 4 Wanderers 0

NO-ONE thought Wanderers’ Championship return would be easy but never before has the class gap looked this wide.
Torn to shreds by a Hull City side fresh from Premier League relegation, there is plenty to ponder for Phil Parkinson over the international break.
Jarod Bowen scored twice for the Tigers, Adama Diomande and the sublime Kamil Grosicki adding the others in the 4-0 defeat – as one-sided a contest you could ever wish to see.
The last time Wanderers played on a Friday night in Hull, it was en route to promotion in 1993, a game remembered by just about every Bolton fan of that vintage. There was to be none of the drama of Boothferry Park here, though, as Leonid Slutsky’s side picked up a comfortable three points.

Fingers will inevitably be pointed once again at formations. Parkinson continued with 3-5-2 but pushed Reece Burke to the right-hand side of the defensive trio in an effort to use his greater mobility.
Will Buckley was the only change from the side beaten by Derby County, coming in as the more advanced of the central midfielders.
Darren Pratley was the man to miss out and could have few complaints. The club captain’s form had dipped over the last couple of weeks.
Parkinson had a tough time in charge of Hull, describing the experience as the biggest disappointment of his managerial career. It is hard to imagine he had a tougher half an hour on that very touchline that he managed last night.

Within the space of 29 minutes the Whites boss had seen Jem Karacan limp off and three goals put past his shell-shocked side.
Often before such a mauling you can point to a moment where a different decision might have meant an entirely different outcome. Parkinson may feel David Meyler’s clattering challenge on Karacan warranted stronger punishment than a yellow card.
Moments later and Josh Cullen got caught on the ball by Michael Hector – and the big defender set away a swift counter attack, Grosicki crossing for Diomande to slam home from eight yards.

Polish international Grosicki was on a different plane in the first half, and produced a sumptuous cross with the outside of his right foot for youngster Bowen to head the second.
Wanderers had again been caught down their right – Burke not looking like a man comfortable with his new position.
And just 10 minutes later it was three, Grosicki helping himself this time after dancing through Burke and Dervite on the edge of the box and wrong-footing Mark Howard.
The unassailable lead allowed the home fans to launch into a lyrical tirade against their owner Assem Allam. Even a genius like Mick Ronson would have a hard time summing up Wanderers’ own messy boardroom in song form. In between Hull’s goal collection, Karacan had been forced off and replaced by Pratley – who himself had a shot saved by Allan McGregor’s legs in a rare foray forward into Tigers territory.
Parkinson brought off Buckley at half time for Derik Osede in an attempt to bring some physical presence to his midfield, which had been decimated to that point. The Spaniard had been unlucky not to feature from the start but his arrival at the break said more about Wanderers’ need to stem the bleeding than any great hope of getting back into the game.
To their immense credit, the travelling fans sang on. They were intent on enjoying their Friday night, even if the football wasn’t going to help matters.
Parkinson changed things further 10 minutes into the second half, bringing on Adam Le Fondre for Josh Cullen and switching to a 4-2-3-1 formation.

That may be a sign of things to come after the international break, as with David Wheater and Sammy Ameobi on the comeback trail the Wanderers boss may finally be able to move away from the shape which has produced decidedly mixed results in the early portion of the campaign.
Hull rarely threatened with the same menace they had shown in the first half, nor did they need to, but the Whites did make a case for looking more comfortable with a four-man back line.
They extended the lead with a couple of minutes left on the clock, young striker Bowen springing the offside trap to finish well for his second.
Wanderers had only half-chances to repair some of the earlier damage, Adam Armstrong having a late blast beaten away by McGregor at his near post, then Fil Morais seeing another effort tipped over by the Hull keeper.

Rather than give the supporters something else to occupy their minds in troubling times, the result only compounds the concern circling the club at present.
Here’s hoping by the time Wanderers reconvene after the international break and with the transfer window closed there is something to raise the spirits on and off the pitch.

Match ratings

Wanderers (3-5-2): Howard 5; Dervite 4, Burke 4, Beevers 5; Morais 5.5, Cullen 4, Buckley 4, Karacan 5, Taylor 4; Armstrong 4, Madine 5.
Subs: Pratley 5, 15 (for Karacan), Derik 6, 46 (for Buckley), Le Fondre 5, 58 (for Cullen).

Not used: Alnwick, Little, Robinson, Wilbraham.

Hull City (4-2-3-1): McGregor; Aina, Dawson, Hector, Clark; Meyler; Mazuch, Bowen, Larsson, Grosicki; Diomande.
Subs: Kingsley 76 (for Clark), Toral 79 (for Meyler), Weir 85 (for Grosicki).
Not used: Mannion, Batty, Luer, Lenihan.

Referee: Oliver Langford.

Attendance: 16,207.

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40 Re: Hull 4-0 BWFC on Sat Aug 26 2017, 07:16

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Tony Kelly
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Shite!

41 Re: Hull 4-0 BWFC on Sat Aug 26 2017, 07:25

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Just watched the highlights again. Felt like going back to bed.

42 Re: Hull 4-0 BWFC on Sat Aug 26 2017, 09:01

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Sluffy wrote:Bolton Wanderers boss Phil Parkinson offers apology for Hull City defeat

Another BWFC manager who can't face facts: we are shite and he is clueless.

Karcan(t) going off early probably prevented a bigger scoreline, he is rubbish.

Once again the team wilted under a bit of pressure. Where are the leaders? Where is the commitment?

Parky out.

43 Re: Hull 4-0 BWFC on Sat Aug 26 2017, 10:00

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Parky has to give up the 3 at the back, it's not working at this level (especially with Dervite playing and no Wheater) and go back to a back 4. Morais is killing himself as a wingback and we need him further forward.
What does Derik have to do to get a start as well?

44 Re: Hull 4-0 BWFC on Sat Aug 26 2017, 10:49

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The way things are going, this is looking worse than the last time we were in this league, Parkinson is too far out of his depth, we all see that the players we have are not good enough to play his system, yet he persists with it, could it be he knows only one system? if so we'll be as good as down by Christmas.

45 Re: Hull 4-0 BWFC on Sat Aug 26 2017, 11:52

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You have three center backs on the pitch....that's three cloggers. Never will work over the long term IMO
Overall though I expect many more of these hammerings this season. We don't have the financial where with all to compete at this level and Parky is defensive manager who doesn't understand that defense starts at the front. Anyhow I'm still going for 4th from bottom at the minute.

46 Re: Hull 4-0 BWFC on Sat Aug 26 2017, 12:05

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terenceanne wrote:You have three center backs on the pitch....that's three cloggers. Never will work over the long term IMO
Overall though I expect many more of these hammerings this season. We don't have the financial where with all to compete at this level and Parky is defensive manager who doesn't understand that defense starts at the front. Anyhow I'm still going for 4th from bottom at the minute.
We are a million miles off that target, as I said we'll be lucky not to be cut adrift by Christmas.

47 Re: Hull 4-0 BWFC on Sat Aug 26 2017, 13:52

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He's said he'll take at look at himself so hopefully that means a change of tactics

48 Re: Hull 4-0 BWFC on Sat Aug 26 2017, 13:55

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No Comment.

49 Re: Hull 4-0 BWFC on Sat Aug 26 2017, 17:27

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Angry Dad wrote:No Comment.
And where have you been hiding????

50 Re: Hull 4-0 BWFC on Sat Aug 26 2017, 23:08

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karlypants wrote:
Angry Dad wrote:No Comment.
And where have you been hiding????
Here and there, bit of this and that.

51 Re: Hull 4-0 BWFC on Sat Aug 26 2017, 23:49

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I've never liked Parky's style of play but I really hope there isn't a witch hunt against him this season. Well there will be one, no doubt about it, but his tactics, team selections, substitutions etc are far from the only thing taking us back down.

Some of the money getting spent in this division at the moment really is ridiculous. Even numerous clubs we would probably consider "smaller" than us are paying £5m+ for a player. Meanwhile we're just making do with various youngsters on loan, and freebies.

This season was always going to be a reality check.

52 Re: Hull 4-0 BWFC on Sun Aug 27 2017, 08:26

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doffcocker wrote:I've never liked Parky's style of play but I really hope there isn't a witch hunt against him this season. Well there will be one, no doubt about it, but his tactics, team selections, substitutions etc are far from the only thing taking us back down.

Some of the money getting spent in this division at the moment really is ridiculous. Even numerous clubs we would probably consider "smaller" than us are paying £5m+ for a player. Meanwhile we're just making do with various youngsters on loan, and freebies.

This season was always going to be a reality check.

You can go a long way on heart and commitment, even if your squad is poor. How many times have we been stuffed in recent years by clubs without a pot to piss in.

If the players put the effort in, and the manager picked a formation to suit the players, we'd have half a chance. Unfortunately these players don't seem to give a shit, and the manager is ego driven. It's a recipe for early relegation.

53 Re: Hull 4-0 BWFC on Sun Aug 27 2017, 10:16

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rammywhite wrote:There's no evidence that we can compete with Hull. I expect to lose 3-0
Good shout, rammy. I don't go in for predicting results but what we got what was not far from what might reasonably have been expected.

Can Ken somehow find the money needed to see us through the next few difficult months and somehow persuade the EFL to allow us to strengthen an already depleted squad?

The next few days may well define our season and future prospects?

54 Re: Hull 4-0 BWFC on Sun Aug 27 2017, 12:17

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Ten Bobsworth wrote:
rammywhite wrote:There's no evidence that we can compete with Hull. I expect to lose 3-0
Good shout, rammy. I don't go in for predicting results but what we got what was not far from what might reasonably have been expected.

Can Ken somehow find the money needed to see us through the next few difficult months and somehow persuade the EFL to allow us to strengthen an already depleted squad?

The next few days may well define our season and future prospects?
Our future prospects are either 4th from bottom or relegation. Even if we get a little bit of money from somewhere we are a step behind the rest of this league. During the last season I had suggested that we couldn't afford to be promoted and got roundly slammed for it.  This is why.
I hope we stay up but we are in for a lot of hammerings en route......IMO

55 Re: Hull 4-0 BWFC on Sun Aug 27 2017, 12:29

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terenceanne wrote:During the last season I had suggested that we couldn't afford to be promoted and got roundly slammed for it.  This is why.
I hope we stay up but we are in for a lot of hammerings en route......IMO

You deserved to be slammed.

Even if we don't win a game all season, it'll still be worth it.

We get more money for being in the Championship for a start. And there's always a chance, no matter how slim, we'll fluke our way out of it.

That's why people go to matches because there's always a chance of the unexpected.

Remind me, when was the last time you went to a Bolton match? The decade will do.

56 Re: Hull 4-0 BWFC on Sun Aug 27 2017, 16:42

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Natasha Whittam wrote:
doffcocker wrote:I've never liked Parky's style of play but I really hope there isn't a witch hunt against him this season. Well there will be one, no doubt about it, but his tactics, team selections, substitutions etc are far from the only thing taking us back down.

Some of the money getting spent in this division at the moment really is ridiculous. Even numerous clubs we would probably consider "smaller" than us are paying £5m+ for a player. Meanwhile we're just making do with various youngsters on loan, and freebies.

This season was always going to be a reality check.

You can go a long way on heart and commitment, even if your squad is poor. How many times have we been stuffed in recent years by clubs without a pot to piss in.

If the players put the effort in, and the manager picked a formation to suit the players, we'd have half a chance. Unfortunately these players don't seem to give a shit, and the manager is ego driven. It's a recipe for early relegation.

Look at Lennon. Took over a team bottom of the league, got us playing with "heart and commitment", kept us up, and it counted for jack shit 12 months later when we were a laughing stock all over again.

Point being, there's only so far most managers can get you on heart and commitment and all that alone. To be honest I can imagine us somehow staying up if we were to sack Parky and bring in somebody to freshen things up a bit, but I'd also imagine us being back to square one a year later once the honeymoon period had worn off.

The reality is that at the moment we're a small fish in a big pond, until the transfer situation is sorted out and the owners show willing to spend some proper money.

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