Yet another Religious atrocity

Brilliant - 

http://audioboom.com/boos/2784684-a-james-o-brien-masterclass-in-how-to-deal-with-people-demanding-that-muslims-apologise-for-charliehebdo

The problem with that audio (though I agree with the point, asking for an apology is ridiculous) but the first thing he says is "not his Islam"

urm, Islam is the last true word of God apparently how can it possibly differ from person to person, that would suggest people are purporting to know the mind of God. 

If you cherry pick the bits you like and get rid of all the "bad" stuff why use it at all? It just shows how deeply flawed and nonsensical the whole thing is.

There are peaceful messages in the Koran though (particularly in regards to Mohammed), could it not be argued that extremists are cherry picking the bad stuff to fit with their agenda? 

From what I've read over the past few days the notion that there's only one interpretation is false. Aside from the Sunni & Shia's there's also how old Arabic is interpreted which leads to differences. As you say though the whole thing is complete bollocks but it's not going anywhere, hardening attitudes towards all Islamic people is only going to make things worse IMO.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:The problem with that audio (though I agree with the point, asking for an apology is ridiculous) but the first thing he says is "not his Islam"

urm, Islam is the last true word of God apparently how can it possibly differ from person to person, that would suggest people are purporting to know the mind of God. 

If you cherry pick the bits you like and get rid of all the "bad" stuff why use it at all? It just shows how deeply flawed and nonsensical the whole thing is.

You are quite right, everything about religion is non sensicle. The comparison displayed in the link from xmiles between that yank woman and the muslim women is a perfect example of hypocrisy.
Religion is the best way possible to control uneducated folk, but more surprisingly, supposedly educated people.
I've no doubt you have experienced supposed followers of God telling you  you will rot in hell, thus affirming the reading of a certain God's mind. I too have experienced the same, thus confirming your comment, and thus showing, indeed, that the person saying it, is indeed assuming the mantle of God!!

bwfc1874 wrote:There are peaceful messages in the Koran though (particularly in regards to Mohammed), could it not be argued that extremists are cherry picking the bad stuff to fit with their agenda? 

From what I've read over the past few days the notion that there's only one interpretation is false. Aside from the Sunni & Shia's there's also how old Arabic is interpreted which leads to differences. As you say though the whole thing is complete bollocks but it's not going anywhere, hardening attitudes towards all Islamic people is only going to make things worse IMO.

Correct. Any religion can be manipulated to be for use in a political agenda. Fuck knows what would be used if man hadn't invented God !?!
I first started to question religion as a teenager when relating back to comments that were passed about God being on the allies side in the war!!! So the Pope wasn't from the Vatican in Italy, and the Krauts didn't celebrate Christmas!!

Soul Kitchen wrote:
Religion is the best way possible to control uneducated folk

But you hate religion?

Natasha Whittam wrote:

Soul Kitchen wrote:
Religion is the best way possible to control uneducated folk

But you hate religion?

I escaped the net! You profess to be "super educated" and a captain of industry but still stupid enough to claim to believe!
So what's your point?

Great turnout in Paris for the rally as an aside.

bwfc1874 wrote:There are peaceful messages in the Koran though (particularly in regards to Mohammed), could it not be argued that extremists are cherry picking the bad stuff to fit with their agenda? 

From what I've read over the past few days the notion that there's only one interpretation is false. Aside from the Sunni & Shia's there's also how old Arabic is interpreted which leads to differences. As you say though the whole thing is complete bollocks but it's not going anywhere, hardening attitudes towards all Islamic people is only going to make things worse IMO.

It could be argued I'm sure but I think it'd be pretty hard when you consider the kind of life Mohammed led and his teachings.

like unfaithful women are to be stoned to death, thieves hands are to be cut off, women are to be commanded and beaten, enemies to be dismembered, aggressive expansion and war lust, paradise for martyrdom.

And Mohammed is the one true messenger of God, I simply don't understand how you can interpret his words in any other way than that it is the word of God, to do so would be to know the mind of God which no one can do, and it would be contradicting the prophet himself.

Soul Kitchen wrote:
I escaped the net! You profess to be "super educated" and a captain of industry but still stupid enough to claim to believe!
So what's your point?

It's called faith SK you bellend. The world is a mysterious place - many things have been mocked and labelled fiction only to turn out to be true. For many years people thought the world was flat.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

Soul Kitchen wrote:
I escaped the net! You profess to be "super educated" and a captain of industry but still stupid enough to claim to believe!
So what's your point?

It's called faith SK you bellend. The world is a mysterious place - many things have been mocked and labelled fiction only to turn out to be true. For many years people thought the world was flat.

I reserve all my faith for my sports teams I follow. They are real whereas religion flies in the face of proven science!
End of!!!

Soul Kitchen wrote:
I reserve all my faith for my sports teams I follow. They are real whereas religion flies in the face of proven science!
End of!!!

I pity you. Your life must be empty.

I never understand when people say that, the wonder and majesty of science and cosmos far outweighs that of religion.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:

bwfc1874 wrote:There are peaceful messages in the Koran though (particularly in regards to Mohammed), could it not be argued that extremists are cherry picking the bad stuff to fit with their agenda? 

From what I've read over the past few days the notion that there's only one interpretation is false. Aside from the Sunni & Shia's there's also how old Arabic is interpreted which leads to differences. As you say though the whole thing is complete bollocks but it's not going anywhere, hardening attitudes towards all Islamic people is only going to make things worse IMO.

It could be argued I'm sure but I think it'd be pretty hard when you consider the kind of life Mohammed led and his teachings.

like unfaithful women are to be stoned to death, thieves hands are to be cut off, women are to be commanded and beaten, enemies to be dismembered, aggressive expansion and war lust, paradise for martyrdom.

And Mohammed is the one true messenger of God, I simply don't understand how you can interpret his words in any other way than that it is the word of God, to do so would be to know the mind of God which no one can do, and it would be contradicting the prophet himself.

Every person of faith varies in how strictly they apply their religion, I know Sikhs who shave, Muslims who drink and Catholics who use contraception. So maybe interpretation isn't the best word, but how you apply the teachings of an outdated book to your modern day life is up to each individual. Hence 'extremists' are few and far between in the UK.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:I never understand when people say that, the wonder and majesty of science and cosmos far outweighs that of religion.

So how did the first two humans appear on Earth? Someone had to have put them here.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

So how did the first two humans appear on Earth? 

It had something to do with a big bang 

Natasha Whittam wrote:

Soul Kitchen wrote:
I reserve all my faith for my sports teams I follow. They are real whereas religion flies in the face of proven science!
End of!!!

I pity you. Your life must be empty.

How can life be empty when I daily enjoy life's rich tapestry? I live it to the full and all without the aid of a fairy tale crutch!
It's the fantisists and bullshitters you need to save your pity for, I'm sure they're more in need than me, and definitely much nearer to home!! What do you think?

1. Nobody likes being mocked, especially when the mockery is particularly cruel or unjust, and I think some of modern-day "humour" is provocative, offensive, and likely to incite a reaction. Not, of course, that the answer is to gun down perpetrators in cold blood!

2. Do we really enjoy freedom of expression in the west? There are all sorts of curbs on free speech, as, for example, those which otherwise lead to prosecutions for slander and libel.
 We appear to applaud Charlie Hebdo for their stance in satirising certain ideals and figureheads, but do not necessarily tolerate others who express their deeply-held beliefs, if it is considered they incite religious hatred or do not echo our western values. 
Racist comments are not tolerated. We are invited to laugh at some aspects of Islam but cannot utter anti-semitic  words. We can't chant what we like at football matches. Free speech?

3. Do we applaud Edward Snowden or feel that he has undermined national security? I would argue that he has caused any amount of trouble for those trying to prevent extremist attacks.

4. We quite rightly condemn ISIS and Al Quaeda, but turn a blind eye to examples of torture and suppression etc. in the west. Hypocrisy?

5. The media scream blue murder if the principle of a free press is threatened as per Leveson, but then continue to abuse their privilege with sensationalism which may contain little of the truth of a situation, invading people's privacy and inventing scurrilous stories which unfairly ruin people's reputations/lives.
6. It's time the West woke up to double standards and were not so selective in what they choose to condemn or condone.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:I never understand when people say that, the wonder and majesty of science and cosmos far outweighs that of religion.

So how did the first two humans appear on Earth? Someone had to have put them here.

God sat on the rug in front of the fire and did a bit of origami!!!
That sound reasonable?

okocha wrote:1. Nobody likes being mocked, especially when the mockery is particularly cruel or unjust, and I think some of modern-day "humour" is provocative, offensive, and likely to incite a reaction. Not, of course, that the answer is to gun down perpetrators in cold blood!

2. Do we really enjoy freedom of expression in the west? There are all sorts of curbs on free speech, as, for example, those which otherwise lead to prosecutions for slander and libel.
 We appear to applaud Charlie Hebdo for their stance in satirising certain ideals and figureheads, but do not necessarily tolerate others who express their deeply-held beliefs, if it is considered they incite religious hatred or do not echo our western values. 
Racist comments are not tolerated. We are invited to laugh at some aspects of Islam but cannot utter anti-semitic  words. We can't chant what we like at football matches. Free speech?

3. Do we applaud Edward Snowden or feel that he has undermined national security? I would argue that he has caused any amount of trouble for those trying to prevent extremist attacks.

4. We quite rightly condemn ISIS and Al Quaeda, but turn a blind eye to examples of torture and suppression etc. in the west. Hypocrisy?

5. The media scream blue murder if the principle of a free press is threatened as per Leveson, but then continue to abuse their privilege with sensationalism which may contain little of the truth of a situation, invading people's privacy and inventing scurrilous stories which unfairly ruin people's reputations/lives.
6. It's time the West woke up to double standards and were not so selective in what they choose to condemn or condone.

You are spot on with your points, however that will never happen re. the  press, in my lifetime. 
Thankfully there's freedom of speech on here?!