Ukrainian Ceasefire

Hope the fuck it works.

Seeing what happened  in Dresden and other European cities ,  during WW11 hope it will never be repeated.

It won't. Heading in to dark times we are. Russia is involved in eastern Ukraine, it's pretty obvious. Putin is just playing a game, wait till they get to mariopoul... Then the shit hits the fan. They want a corridor to Crimea, once Putin sees his chance, he will annex that too...

Now, when that happens... Can the west stand idly by and let them do it? We would have to intervene.

We are preparing to as well... NATO troops and aircraft are building up slowly in the Balkans, the Ukraine border is also full of Russian tanks and artillery, everything you need for a quick invasion.

Reebok_Rebel wrote:It won't. Heading in to dark times we are. Russia is involved in eastern Ukraine, it's pretty obvious. Putin is just playing a game, wait till they get to mariopoul... Then the shit hits the fan. They want a corridor to Crimea, once Putin sees his chance, he will annex that too...

Now, when that happens... Can the west stand idly by and let them do it? We would have to intervene.

We are preparing to as well... NATO troops and aircraft are building up slowly in the Balkans, the Ukraine border is also full of Russian tanks and artillery, everything you need for a quick invasion.

It's already happened Rebel - last year!!!

That's why the west imposed sanctions on Russia.

The US and EU have imposed an array of sanctions on Russian individuals and businesses in response to the annexation of Crimea and the crisis in eastern Ukraine.

The deaths of 298 people on board a Malaysia Airlines plane destroyed over eastern Ukraine on 17 July triggered tougher EU sanctions.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26672800

I know Crimea was annexed.

At the min there is a gap between Russia and Crimea... Mariopoul is the last town before Crimea. Once the rebels are there, Putin will suddenly 'intervene' ... Meaning his troops (so called rebels) will no longer be there covertly... He will annex that bit of Ukraine too... There will be more bullshit elections under the muzzle of an AK47 ... 

And what will we do this time? We will have to help them...

I think we are a bit our of step on this, me and you Rebel.

The west already KNOWS about this - indeed Putins mate as ALREADY been given the task to build a £2 billion bridge between Russia and Crimea -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31067977

and Putin as already said russian troops were used to take Crimea -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28030004

Crimea as already voted to join Russia -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26630062

and russian troops are already based in Crimea -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30025138

...so I'm not sure what point you are trying to make?

Please forgive me if I've clearly misunderstood what you have been saying.

In 1994 the Budapest Memorandum was signed which stated Ukraine would remain a Sovereign state. The Treaty of Versailles meant nothing as well. Draw your own conclusions but Putin is a bigger threat to peace than IS will ever be and he'll take as many out as he likes to achieve his goal, expanding Russian boundaries.

Russia hasn't got the cash to fund a war against the west.

Natasha Whittam wrote:Russia hasn't got the cash to fund a war against the west.

Russia does not need cash. It works differently that the rest of us. 
They have a vast army and air force already... the armed forces will work for free, they wont really be given a choice, they will see it as working for mother Russia.

Reebok_Rebel wrote:
Russia does not need cash. It works differently that the rest of us. 
They have a vast army and air force already... the armed forces will work for free, they wont really be given a choice, they will see it as working for mother Russia.

Dream on. That's just a silly post.

Sluffy. 

I understand what you mean, think our wires got crossed. 

What I mean is... Crimea is a big place, the bridge you mention will go from Russia's coast in the south of the sea of Azov to Crimea's coast - the shortest distance but also pretty far away from 'Ukraine'... 

What I believe is happening now, is the rebels are pushing (and pretty damn good at it too... for 'rebels'  ) to take Mariupol - this is the last town not fully under rebel control - its also the closest town to Crimea's northern border - once this town is taken, the 'rebels' will have direct land access to The Crimea region. 

Once this happens, Putin will quickly try to annex that land as well - meaning Crimea will be connected to Russia over land too. im more than certain this will happen.  

Depending on the response from NATO, I have a feeling, once Putin puts his cards on the table and stops acting the innocent... he may go after a few more former soviet states, some of these (Poland, Lithuania, Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia etc) are all NATO members... 

What happens then?

Natasha Whittam wrote:

Reebok_Rebel wrote:
Russia does not need cash. It works differently that the rest of us. 
They have a vast army and air force already... the armed forces will work for free, they wont really be given a choice, they will see it as working for mother Russia.

Dream on. That's just a silly post.

What about the 500,000 or so Russian Troops and hardware that are (not) there now? 

Apparently, They are 'volunteers' ...however, they are carrying pretty sophisticated equipment. 

All I know is, if they are volunteers... They must be allowed to take the tanks, anti-aircraft missiles and artillery with them and take a LOT of leave. 

Of course not - they are getting PAID, they are on active (covert at present) ops.

Natasha Whittam wrote:Russia hasn't got the cash to fund a war against the west.

But no fucker will stand against him!!!
Crime and Georgia spring readily to mind.

Reebok_Rebel wrote:

Natasha Whittam wrote:

Reebok_Rebel wrote:
Russia does not need cash. It works differently that the rest of us. 
They have a vast army and air force already... the armed forces will work for free, they wont really be given a choice, they will see it as working for mother Russia.

Dream on. That's just a silly post.

What about the 500,000 or so Russian Troops and hardware that are (not) there now? 

Apparently, They are 'volunteers' ...however, they are carrying pretty sophisticated equipment. 

All I know is, if they are volunteers... They must be allowed to take the tanks, anti-aircraft missiles and artillery with them and take a LOT of leave. 

Of course not - they are getting PAID, they are on active (covert at present) ops.

Correct. Nat is struggling with PMT at the mo, you need to cut her some slack RR.

Its only because of the embargos in place against Russia and some rich oligarchs that Putin is holding back, and, on the face of it, agreeing to talks. There is already disquiet in Russia about their financial worries, so he has to keep people onside, and not incur further trade and financial penalties. The vast majority of Russia may applaud this tub thumping and land grabbing, but when it affects their already low income, they will start to rebel. With his personal ambitions, and ego, and his adoring public (ATT), Putin is a very dangerous man, and the problem in the near future is how he can at least hold what he has without losing face, (for him and Russia). I think Rebel is right in that Putin will not give in, how he gets what he wants is the problem.

Our hands aren't clean in this, there's plenty of evidence to suggest we stirred up the coup after the president decided against closer ties to the EU.

Can I just ask a really simple question. Why does somebody like Putin get up one day and think, you know what, I want more land. WHY?

He doesn't, that's just what the media in this country have dumbed it down to.

Its about Putin feeling threatened more than anything, He is es-KGB and is used to controlling people. He regrets what happened to his beloved Soviet Union in in 91, sees all the ex-soviet states running away to NATO and Europe, it angers him. 

Ukraine was under his control quite a bit with his puppet Viktor Yakonuvitch (or however you spell it) in charge, a vast amount of the population didnt want to be led by russia and wanted to move closer to the west = Maiden. VY fled to russia and Ukraine moved closer to Europe - Putin feels threatened by this, in the sense that sombody has stolen one of his toys... hes having a paddy. 

now its got out of hand, he cant back down, one thing about russians is pride... he will never swallow it, he would rather die than admit defeat.

Reebok Rebelevic wrote:He is es-KGB and is used to controlling people. He regrets what happened to his beloved Soviet Union in in 91, sees all the ex-soviet states running away to NATO and Europe, it angers him.

Putin feels threatened by this, in the sense that sombody has stolen one of his toys... hes having a paddy. 

now its got out of hand, he cant back down, one thing about russians is pride... he will never swallow it, he would rather die than admit defeat.

You talk as if you know him Rebel, anything you want to reveal?

Reebok_Rebel wrote:Its about Putin feeling threatened more than anything, He is es-KGB and is used to controlling people. He regrets what happened to his beloved Soviet Union in in 91, sees all the ex-soviet states running away to NATO and Europe, it angers him. 

Ukraine was under his control quite a bit with his puppet Viktor Yakonuvitch (or however you spell it) in charge, a vast amount of the population didnt want to be led by russia and wanted to move closer to the west = Maiden. VY fled to russia and Ukraine moved closer to Europe - Putin feels threatened by this, in the sense that sombody has stolen one of his toys... hes having a paddy. 

now its got out of hand, he cant back down, one thing about russians is pride... he will never swallow it, he would rather die than admit defeat.

Yes, i have met them in the dinner line on holiday.