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Natasha Whittam
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81 Re: Abortion Mon May 28 2012, 15:05
largehat
Frank Worthington
82 Re: Abortion Mon May 28 2012, 15:06
Reebok_Rebel
Frank Worthington
Natasha Whittam wrote:bwfc1874 wrote:Too lazy? It wouldn't be possible for them to go to university and raise a child, if the baby was to get the time it deserved. Neither of them were ready and it wouldn't of been fair on them or the kid. You really don't have a clue what your talking about in fairness.
A friend of mine raised three children on her own while putting herself through university and getting her PhD. It's difficult but it can be done.
Your friends are just lazy.
no you dont...
not unless they had a nanny, in which case it was the nanny that brought them up...
83 Re: Abortion Mon May 28 2012, 15:06
Guest
Guest
Glad to hear your friends okay largehat and clearly these decisions aren't taken lightly.
But they are free to make their own choice without idiots like Natasha condemning them as killers, simply because she believes a different thing.
But they are free to make their own choice without idiots like Natasha condemning them as killers, simply because she believes a different thing.
84 Re: Abortion Mon May 28 2012, 15:08
Reebok_Rebel
Frank Worthington
largehat wrote:Natasha Whittam wrote:largehat wrote:
Up until this week I thought I was anti-abortion.
I take it your "friend" is really you and the woman in question is Hipster?
Natasha, you really are boring, and out of order. My friend and the girl he has been seeing have been back from the clinic for a couple of hours and you're being a knob about it.
For anyone else who is interested, I've been in contact with my friend all morning. She is in a bit of pain, and feels a bit sick, but is coping pretty well. She's said she is not as upset as she thought she would be, but maybe its not properly sunk in yet. She's now had one of those implant things put in her arm which last for 3 years, and they are going to be using condoms from now on too.
Tough day for the girl, I think all posters, pro and anti, would acknowledge that.
fair comment this...and proves that (Natasha baiting aside) this is a pretty serious subject...
85 Re: Abortion Mon May 28 2012, 15:11
Reebok_Rebel
Frank Worthington
bwfc1874 wrote:Glad to hear your friends okay largehat and clearly these decisions aren't taken lightly.
But they are free to make their own choice without idiots like Natasha condemning them as killers, simply because she believes a different thing.
I dont think she does ....shes provoking discussion (AKA trolling)
86 Re: Abortion Mon May 28 2012, 15:13
Lofty_Love
Andy Walker
Natasha Whittam wrote:
My one child policy statement is purely to save the future of mankind. One day, unfortunately far too late, I will be proven right.
If they have twins is one killed?
87 Re: Abortion Mon May 28 2012, 15:16
Reebok_Rebel
Frank Worthington
Lofty_Love wrote:Natasha Whittam wrote:
My one child policy statement is purely to save the future of mankind. One day, unfortunately far too late, I will be proven right.
If they have twins is one killed?
also, what if a jazz balloon was to pop?
88 Re: Abortion Mon May 28 2012, 15:34
Angry Dad
Youri Djorkaeff
Now X how the fuck would i be able to do that???? and why do you even ask that.xmiles wrote:Angry Dad wrote:Life begins at fertilization, from that moment it becomes a highly organized being. It is a living thing, it is human, to abort it is to kill it and thats murder, and to murder your own child is evil beyond belief.largehat wrote:Angry Dad wrote:
Its still murder,its murdering a baby and fuck any cnut who does it of their own free will.
Angry, at what point do you consider it to actually be a baby? Do you consider a fertilized egg or an unformed embryo to be babies?
So you would make the morning after pill illegal and stop women who have been raped from having an abortion?
89 Re: Abortion Mon May 28 2012, 15:53
Angry Dad
Youri Djorkaeff
One of my sisters murdered her unborn child. She is catholic yet she still killed it. I cant work out how women live with themselves knowing they killed their baby. Say mrs x has the baby instead of killing it then at 3 yrs old someone violates it and murders it how would she feel then its the same baby just at a different stage. She would say how could someone do such a terrible thing ,how could they kill my baby. But its ok for her to do it when its at its most vulnerable and dependant on its mother for life, but hey its freedom of choice for her right. Maybe on another day baby i might let you live or not. 
90 Re: Abortion Mon May 28 2012, 16:05
Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
largehat wrote:
Natasha, you really are boring, and out of order. My friend and the girl he has been seeing have been back from the clinic for a couple of hours and you're being a knob about it.
For anyone else who is interested, I've been in contact with my friend all morning. She is in a bit of pain, and feels a bit sick, but is coping pretty well. She's said she is not as upset as she thought she would be, but maybe its not properly sunk in yet. She's now had one of those implant things put in her arm which last for 3 years, and they are going to be using condoms from now on too.
Tough day for the girl, I think all posters, pro and anti, would acknowledge that.
You're the bellend, what sort of friend plasters someone elses business all over the internet? I'm guessing you didn't discuss it with them first. You're also a bellend if you thought starting a thread about abortion wouldn't lead to very conflicting views.
I'm not going to gush with sympathy for your friends, they sound straight out of a Jeremy Kyle programme, and are taking the easy way out just because a baby doesn't suit their lifestyle.
91 Re: Abortion Mon May 28 2012, 16:08
Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
bwfc1874 wrote:Too lazy? It wouldn't be possible for them to go to university and raise a child, if the baby was to get the time it deserved. Neither of them were ready and it wouldn't of been fair on them or the kid. You really don't have a clue what your talking about in fairness.
So let me get this straight, it wouldn't have been fair on the kid to have him/her because his parents would have been busy being educated? So it was kinder to kill him/her was it? Are you really that stupid?
92 Re: Abortion Mon May 28 2012, 16:10
Lofty_Love
Andy Walker
I wouldn't count a baby as alive until it could live without the mother.
In the womb if the mother died the baby dies, if the baby dies the mother doesn't. The baby is part of the mother until it can survive outside the womb, and therefore I believe before it can survive without the mother it is not a life in its own right.
It is part of the mothers body and she should be allowed to do as she wishes to her own body, its not nice, but that is actually the most moral stance, I would call it far more inhuman to force a woman to carry and give birth to a child.
In the womb if the mother died the baby dies, if the baby dies the mother doesn't. The baby is part of the mother until it can survive outside the womb, and therefore I believe before it can survive without the mother it is not a life in its own right.
It is part of the mothers body and she should be allowed to do as she wishes to her own body, its not nice, but that is actually the most moral stance, I would call it far more inhuman to force a woman to carry and give birth to a child.
93 Re: Abortion Mon May 28 2012, 16:12
largehat
Frank Worthington
Angry Dad wrote:One of my sisters murdered her unborn child. She is catholic yet she still killed it. I cant work out how women live with themselves knowing they killed their baby. Say mrs x has the baby instead of killing it then at 3 yrs old someone violates it and murders it how would she feel then its the same baby just at a different stage. She would say how could someone do such a terrible thing ,how could they kill my baby. But its ok for her to do it when its at its most vulnerable and dependant on its mother for life, but hey its freedom of choice for her right. Maybe on another day baby i might let you live or not.
Do you not think you sound self-righteous considering you think that people should live out their lives in agony and yet you'd put a dog out if its misery?
And also, you don't need a biology lesson, but a baby doesn't appear in a woman's womb at the point of ejaculation. It isn't a baby for many weeks. So your analogy doesn't work.
94 Re: Abortion Mon May 28 2012, 16:19
Sluffy
Admin
largehat wrote:Just wondering why a couple of posters seem to think it should be entirely the mother's decision... the father is going to be expected to support the child, after all. ...Surely fathers deserve a say.
To state the obvious any man can more or less prevent a baby by taking the right precautions.
I know that may be considered simplistic but at the end of the day - no sperm no baby!
If a bloke passes up that responsibility then I think it only right - considering everything the woman will have to go through if she conceives, to have the right to chose the destiny for the child and herself.
As for your friend, accepting that the story is true, then I feel sorry for the girl and what she has gone through / will ever have to live with.
I hope for her sake she lives comfortable with her decision.
95 Re: Abortion Mon May 28 2012, 16:19
largehat
Frank Worthington
Natasha Whittam wrote:
You're the bellend, what sort of friend plasters someone elses business all over the internet? I'm guessing you didn't discuss it with them first. You're also a bellend if you thought starting a thread about abortion wouldn't lead to very conflicting views.
I'm not going to gush with sympathy for your friends, they sound straight out of a Jeremy Kyle programme, and are taking the easy way out just because a baby doesn't suit their lifestyle.
Of course I haven't discussed it with him, there's no need to discuss it with him. There's nothing whatsoever in this thread to identify anyone involved personally. Your point is absolutely ridiculous. And I haven't "plastered anything all over the internet". I've posted a basic outline of their situation with no names on a single internet forum with something like 30-40 active users.
If, in your tiny mind, you don't think this is happening to hundreds of people in this country every single day of every single week, then you're from another planet. Actually you being from another planet would explain an awful lot.
You're the only person on this thread who has resorted to insulting people. You've insulted my friend twice, and you've insulted three other posters. Perhaps you shouldn't take part in serious threads if you can't step out of your troll internet persona for the sake of it.
I'm not expecting anyone to "gush with sympathy" from you or anyone else on behalf of my friend, but if you can't discuss a serious topic without insulting people who disagree with you, I politely suggest you fuck right off.
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96 Re: Abortion Mon May 28 2012, 16:19
Lofty_Love
Andy Walker
Angry Dad wrote:One of my sisters murdered her unborn child. She is catholic yet she still killed it.
Do you hold the belief you have because your Catholic?
97 Re: Abortion Mon May 28 2012, 16:20
Guest
Guest
Not what I said is it, you need to learn to read. My point is it isn't possible to go to uni and give the child all of their attention, and that factored into their decision. Of course the main reason was they were young and the time wasn't right for them. They got it done very quickly, and I see no problem with it.
You really can't handle other people taking a different view can you? In your little world you have your own perception of right and wrong, fact of the matter is not everybody agrees with you, or the catholic church.
I don't see a fertilized egg as a child straight away, that's my view. I do think they allow abortions to happen to late, but in some cases (rape etc) I can understand.
You need to grow up and accept other people run their lives differently and not try and force your views on others, your like those twats who stand outside abortion clinics protesting, as if the women going in don't have enough to worry about.
You really can't handle other people taking a different view can you? In your little world you have your own perception of right and wrong, fact of the matter is not everybody agrees with you, or the catholic church.
I don't see a fertilized egg as a child straight away, that's my view. I do think they allow abortions to happen to late, but in some cases (rape etc) I can understand.
You need to grow up and accept other people run their lives differently and not try and force your views on others, your like those twats who stand outside abortion clinics protesting, as if the women going in don't have enough to worry about.
98 Re: Abortion Mon May 28 2012, 16:31
Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
bwfc1874 wrote:Not what I said is it, you need to learn to read. My point is it isn't possible to go to uni and give the child all of their attention
You don't get it do you. Your friends killed their baby because they didn't have the time to devote to it. They weren't thinking about getting a puppy, they had already created a baby.
Decent people would have put their lives on hold to bring up the child THEY created rather than do the easy thing and have an abortion.
99 Re: Abortion Mon May 28 2012, 16:33
Lofty_Love
Andy Walker
I don't want to offend anyone, but Laws and especially morals should not be based on religions ideas and restrictions when enforcing them on others.
Religion is to be followed individually, not forced upon others, just as I, being atheists would not force my opinion that, say, god doesn't exist upon someone I knew to be religious, I couldn't care less if someone thought he did or not.
Therefore whether abortion is seen as a sin to some religions is totally irrelevant as to whether it should be allowed.
Religion is to be followed individually, not forced upon others, just as I, being atheists would not force my opinion that, say, god doesn't exist upon someone I knew to be religious, I couldn't care less if someone thought he did or not.
Therefore whether abortion is seen as a sin to some religions is totally irrelevant as to whether it should be allowed.
100 Re: Abortion Mon May 28 2012, 16:56
xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Now X how the fuck would i be able to do that???? and why do you even ask that.
It's a hypothetical question. None of us can pass laws but there are laws that we would like passed. Your description of abortion as murder is pretty strong and I was interested in how strictly you would apply this definition if you could.
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