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Jimmy Phillips says production line could suffer if cuts hit the academy

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karlypants

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Jimmy Phillips fears cost reductions and staff cuts at Wanderers will impact upon the club’s academy.

Several first-team coaching and medical staff were informed last week they were either being made redundant, or would serve out of the remainder of their notice as the Whites begin to prepare for life in League One.

The current structure has been described as “unsustainable” but though the club indicated last week a clear-out of their highest-earning players was not a foregone conclusion, as many had predicted, further cuts are being predicted.

Even Phillips, manager of the academy since 2008, is unsure what the future might hold at the much-envied Lostock facility.

“It hasn’t impacted as yet but I think the football club will sort out the first-team structure first and then move on to the academy,” he told The Bolton News.

“You would hope those cuts are not too bad. One big positive of this is the academy is producing players who are capable and who are also assets to the club.”

After several years of struggling to get young players progressing through to first-team level, the financial problems faced by Wanderers in the last two years have made them reliant on the home-grown crop.

Josh Vela had established himself around the senior squad but Zach Clough, Tom Walker, Rob Holding, Oscar Threlkeld, Niall Maher, Alex Samizadeh, Jamie Thomas, Tyler Garratt, Andy Kellett and Harry Campbell have all been involved in the last couple of seasons having come through the academy ranks.

George Newell, Alex Finney, Kaiyne Woolery, Ross Fitzsimons, Hayden White, Quade Taylor, Jordan Lussey and Conor Wilkinson have also been imported from other academy set-ups and polished up by Wanderers.

Holding is now being eyed by a number of top clubs, with a bid – believed to be from Arsenal – coming in at the end of last week. Clough, Vela and Woolery have also had admiring glances cast from elsewhere.

Phillips accepts losing the players the academy has helped to create is going to be par for the course as the club continues to try and right itself financially. But he remains confident maintaining investment at youth level will be the best way to improve Wanderers' lot over the longer term.

“Creating players who are capable of going to play at first-team level is all we can do as an academy,” he said. “And in the past we have had players who have been good enough but haven’t been given the opportunity.

“It’s up to the board then to decide how they are going to deal with those assets, whether they are going to keep them at the club or whether they will sell them on and if that’s the case, the money should get ploughed straight back in to improve the playing staff.

“We have to face facts – this is the situation we’re in now.

“Yes, it would be great to keep all our young players, as academy manager of course that’s what I want. People who are in charge of the club might see things slightly differently."

Wanderers made a decision in June last year to downgrade their academy from category one to category two, as outlined by the EPPP (Elite Player Performance Plan) set out by the Premier League.

That move saved the club £1million a year and it was claimed at the time jobs were not under threat and only the player-to-coach ratio could be adjusted.

The concern among some Whites fans, and particularly at the academy, is that the club could now look to step down another level, to category three, which could mean part-time coaching and the removal of some roles.

No decision has been made officially but all avenues will be examined as the ongoing review into spending continues.

Advised running costs for a category-three academy are in the region of £500,000 a year, around half of the current budget. The rules also recommend the player-to-coach ratio in a category-three academy is one to 10.

Competitive fixtures would also be played against lower-grade opposition than present – with the likes of Morecambe, Accrington Stanley, Shrewsbury Town and Wrexham competing in the Professional Development League Three.

Perhaps most worryingly, however, the amount of statutory compensation Wanderers would receive for a player who has not yet signed a professional contract would be significantly reduced.

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Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

we need to stay at the same academy level, if we drop down then it would severely damage our recrutiment in the future and doesn't help the players we currently have as the level and quality of opposition will drop as well

luckyPeterpiper

luckyPeterpiper
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo

It's already dropped once norpig and given the way the axe is already swinging in the backroom I wouldn't be at all surprised to see it drop again or even be axed entirely.

I have to say that while I understand the need to cut costs here they're doing it in the wrong places and I'm getting a feeling that they're chucking the bathwater out with the baby.

Frankly we need to cut in the playing staff, especially the dopey Premier League wage contracts that should never have been written but it looks more and more like that simply can't be done because Ken and Dean don't have the cash to pay them off.

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

luckyPeterpiper wrote:Frankly we need to cut in the playing staff, especially the dopey Premier League wage contracts that should never have been written but it looks more and more like that simply can't be done because Ken and Dean don't have the cash to pay them off.
..which is what the problem has been and what I've been saying all along despite the braggadocio cavalier comments from some quarters that "we're going to get rid of the high earners and rebuild next season". If only life was that easy.

At least with staff getting laid off all around them, the prima donnas on fat contracts can see what impact their continued presence is having. Nobody is saying it's their fault, but it might incentivise them to ask their agents to look around for a deal elsewhere and maybe lower their demands so they can move on.

Until that happens, money from the sale of young players like Holding will be spent on ridiculous wages rather than on rebuilding the team as was hoped.

luckyPeterpiper

luckyPeterpiper
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo

wanderlust wrote:
luckyPeterpiper wrote:Frankly we need to cut in the playing staff, especially the dopey Premier League wage contracts that should never have been written but it looks more and more like that simply can't be done because Ken and Dean don't have the cash to pay them off.
..which is what the problem has been and what I've been saying all along despite the braggadocio cavalier comments from some quarters that "we're going to get rid of the high earners and rebuild next season". If only life was that easy.

At least with staff getting laid off all around them, the prima donnas on fat contracts can see what impact their continued presence is having. Nobody is saying it's their fault, but it might incentivise them to ask their agents to look around for a deal elsewhere and maybe lower their demands so they can move on.

Until that happens, money from the sale of young players like Holding will be spent on ridiculous wages rather than on rebuilding the team as was hoped.
In all honesty lusty, if you were one of the high earners and you knew that you weren't going to get anything like the same money elsewhere would you move? Sadly it's human nature to take what we can get and in all truth I don't blame the big money players for sitting tight. I suspect if I was one of them I'd do the same particularly if I had a wife and kids at home and I bet you would too. Professional pride is all very well and good in theory but when it's your pay cheque and your family the numbers alone will rule.

The blame for this situation rests squarely on the shoulders of Gartside and Davies. And in response to your final sentence you and I have both been saying the same thing on that since the takeover happened. Sadly I think we'll lose Holding, Clough and quite a few others before this summer is done because of the woeful short sightedness they displayed.

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

luckyPeterpiper wrote:
wanderlust wrote:
luckyPeterpiper wrote:Frankly we need to cut in the playing staff, especially the dopey Premier League wage contracts that should never have been written but it looks more and more like that simply can't be done because Ken and Dean don't have the cash to pay them off.
..which is what the problem has been and what I've been saying all along despite the braggadocio cavalier comments from some quarters that "we're going to get rid of the high earners and rebuild next season". If only life was that easy.

At least with staff getting laid off all around them, the prima donnas on fat contracts can see what impact their continued presence is having. Nobody is saying it's their fault, but it might incentivise them to ask their agents to look around for a deal elsewhere and maybe lower their demands so they can move on.

Until that happens, money from the sale of young players like Holding will be spent on ridiculous wages rather than on rebuilding the team as was hoped.
In all honesty lusty, if you were one of the high earners and you knew that you weren't going to get anything like the same money elsewhere would you move?
Probably not unless a comparable package in a better team was offered, but having just got us relegated, that isn't likely to happen to any of our senior players. We're stuck with them so we have to sell kids and lay off staff.

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