Atheism

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In the beginning there was nothing  presumably. (If not, what created it?)
Then there was something.
Something created something out of nothing.
Whatever that creative force is/was = God.

The existence or otherwise of God has nothing to do with Atheism which is a human belief structure for those who don't believe in God. So if God is proven to exist, it won't end Atheism as people can and will still believe anything they are capable of believing.

wanderlust wrote:In the beginning there was nothing  presumably. (If not, what created it?)
Then there was something.
Something created something out of nothing.
Whatever that creative force is/was = God.

The existence or otherwise of God has nothing to do with Atheism which is a human belief structure for those who don't believe in God. So if God is proven to exist, it won't end Atheism as people can and will still believe anything they are capable of believing.

Why must you start with nothing, the laws of physics state that you can not create energy or matter just change it from one form to another so you could argue there was always something and no need for creation.

the existence of nothing is difficult to prove since it can not be measured or quantified as it does not exist?

my thoughts as well but obviously i'm not as eloquent a speaker as Stephen Fry

Rubbish the man is an idiot if he thinks what created the universe and time is a man or being that you can reason with or talk to. Time began with the creation of the universe, everything which has a beginning has a cause. The universe requires a cause because it has a beginning. The creator of the universe is not limited by the time dimension it created so it has no beginning in time, simples.

try actually listening to it first before spouting rubbish AD. He doesn't believe in God, that's the whole point of his answer 

All human logic suggests Fry is right. 

For interesting counter-arguments, "When Bad Things Happen to Good People", by Harold Kushner, and "The Screwtape Letters" by C.S Lewis are well worth a read.

Fry's beliefs are pretty much in line with my own.

I gave up on the Big Fella In The Sky when I was about 8 or 9 after a conversation with the vicar after a Church Parade one Sunday when I was in the Cubs.

I asked him why God had let Mrs Greenhalgh (who lived across the road from us) get hit by a bus and die in agonising pain and was told it was "all part of His divine plan for her".

And even though I was only a small child, I could see the obvious flaws in that cop-out of an argument and decided on the spot that I was done with religion.

And can one of the true believers on here answer me a quick question, please?

You're a Christian.

You go to church every week, you say your prayers and you hand over your tithe with good grace and don't make a fuss.

Your wife (who you love deeply) dies prematurely from some horrible (God-made) disease.

Time passes and you meet someone else and get married.

But then, a couple of years down the line,  God's having a bad day at the office and she too succumbs to a bad case of scrofula or something equally debilitating and pops her clogs.

What happens when you die and go to heaven?

You're stuck then for eternity with two wives, both of whom you love but who never met each other down here and might not get on.

How does that work?

Bread2.0 wrote:Fry's beliefs are pretty much in line with my own.

At last! We've been waiting for this day for many years, it's very brave of you to finally acknowledge your love of the penis. KP will help you through this testing time.

God created the universe.

Something had to create it, nothing creates itself. Or perhaps there's another world in my fridge, or a universe in my wardrobe.

Idiots.

Something had to create the universe so it must have been God?

Why must the something have been God?

If nothing creates itself as you say, then what or who created God?

Bwfc1958 wrote:If nothing creates itself as you say, then what or who created God?

If you have a better idea backed up by a book (like the bible) then let's hear it.

Can I post that banana video again?

Natasha Whittam wrote:

Bwfc1958 wrote:If nothing creates itself as you say, then what or who created God?

If you have a better idea backed up by a book (like the bible) then let's hear it.

 you should be in the new Trump administration Nat, you have similar views, You'll be telling me evolution is a myth and it's all down to creationism next

As I've said before, prove me wrong.

Someone didn't just come up with those stories in the bible. People didn't build thousands of churches because of a fairy tale. There's no church of the tooth fairy or Santa.

Religion was created by people to control the masses, the bible is one long tale of fiction. There well may have been a Jesus but he certainly wasn't sent by a higher power

"God" is patently either not all good, or not all-powerful, as, for example, Aberfan proves. 
 
The world is full of many different interpretations of a God, but none of them prevents innocent suffering.

Are we meant to believe that an eternal afterlife is any sort of compensation for even one moment of the suffering of a child on earth?

As I've said before, I'll be laughing my socks off when I die and am allowed into heaven.

The rest of the Nuts crowd will be in Hell forced to read every post sluffy has ever made, over and over again.