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Ten years on: Was Wanderers record signing a waste of money?

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FOR a decade Johan Elmander’s record-breaking transfer has stood as a testament to Wanderers’ excess in the Premier League era.
The £8.2million fee paid to Toulouse in June 2018 also included Norwegian misfit Daniel Braaten as a makeweight, and with wages factored in the Sweden international is considered to have cost the club in excess of £15million over three years.
Such fees are barely imaginable these days. Outside the top flight bubble Wanderers have not once paid out a seven-figure fee in one go – totting up payments to Liverpool for Jay Spearing and West Ham for Rob Hall in increments.

In fact it has been 41 months since any fee was paid for a player. In January 2015 Bolton paid roughly the same amount for Filipe Twardzik from Celtic that Elmander took home in a fortnight’s wage.
But the eye-watering figures involved in the striker’s time at Wanderers have helped shape a view of his Bolton career, perhaps even an unfair one.
The most common accusation levelled at Elmander is that he did not score enough goals, and a return of 22 in 108 games was hardly prolific.
He had been a regular goal-scorer in the Danish league for Brondby earlier in his career but by the time he has moved to the French league with Toulouse, he has already modified his game to become what is now fashionably known as a number 10.
To make matters worse, he was being compared with Nicolas Anelka, the French striker brought back to pristine form by Sam Allardyce and sold for £15million to Chelsea not six months earlier.

Elmander was clearly capable of scoring great goals, as that famous strike against Wolves at Molineux illustrated, but he did not have the killer instincts of an Ivan Klasnic nor the penalty box physicality of a Kevin Davies. In the clearly defined lines of Gary Megson’s Bolton, the erudite front man looked out of sorts.
Megson certainly had plans to evolve the team but never quite found a midfield with the right blend to match the more technical opponents. Sean Davis was designed to be a game-changer when he arrived on a free transfer but the play-maker’s horrendous luck with injury stopped Bolton’s plans in their tracks.

That left Elmander lacking the kind of service he needed. While Davies was happy to fight and scrap for aerial balls, Elmander’s more subtle needs were not being addressed, and it started to show in his body language.
Owen Coyle’s arrival changed things, at least for a while. Given more scope for expression, we started to see a more creative side to Elmander’s game.
Helped in no small part by the Premier League’s in-form midfield duo, Stuart Holden and Fabrice Muamba, the team thrived in the good times. Elmander started to find some goals and fans began to warm to his hard-working style.
Yet Coyle recognised he still needed an out-and-out goal-scorer and in January 2011 secured Daniel Sturridge on loan from Chelsea.
Elmander – then seeking a new contract – had his nose pushed out of joint by the new striker’s arrival. The club had indicated it was open to talks but after losing his place to Sturridge – who was also a big success – the conversation dried up entirely.
Two huge gut-punches were to follow for the team. First the loss of Holden to an injury from which the American sadly never really recovered, and secondly the embarrassment of a 5-0 defeat in the FA Cup semi-final against Stoke.

Injuries had forced Coyle into a reshuffle before Wembley and Elmander found himself inserted as a makeshift midfielder, the idea being his tireless running could replicate that of Holden. The experiment seemed to work in a 3-0 win over West Ham but failed miserably a week later in front of 75,000 fans in the capital.

Elmander’s performance was criticised strongly, which was another nail in the coffin for his Bolton career.
The season finished with a whimper and though frustration told in Elmander’s body language, his natural easy-going nature meant an outburst in his final game for Bolton felt like it had come right out of the blue.
Asked for his thoughts on his future after a meek 2-0 defeat against Manchester City, the striker snapped: “I didn't get something good from the club, so I didn't have to decide anything.
“We had a talk in November and didn't really hear anything after that.”
Elmander was ushered out of the media area by his advisors, turning back to say: “You ask the club what they could have done.”

A matter of days later his move to Turkish club Galatasaray was confirmed.
Some might say losing a club record signing as a free transfer summed up the economy of Bolton at the time. But at that stage, the Bank of Eddie Davies was still operational, and the Premier League bubble had yet to burst. Elmander had a decent spell in Turkey, played Champions League football, and even moved back for a brief spell in England with Norwich City. He finished up his career at Brondby, and finally with a short spell at Orgyte in Sweden.

For many Wanderers fans he will be regarded as the club’s most expensive mistake. Others may argue he was simply the wrong man in the wrong place, and the wrong time.

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/wanderers/16316906.Ten_years_on__Was_Elmander_really_Bolton_s_most_costly_mistake_/

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Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly

The first time I saw him play was his league debut against Stoke.Within quarter of an hour of the match starting I was sick that we had broken the club transfer record on a striker who clearly had no pace.
We should never have paid that amount of money for a striker with no pace

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Dear me, I'd forgotten all about that donkey. What a fucking terrible waste of money.

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker

Natasha Whittam wrote:Dear me, I'd forgotten all about that donkey. What a fucking terrible waste of money.
You really think £455,500 per goal (transfer fee of £8.2 million) is a waste of money? If you add 3 years of approx 1.88 million of salary, then he cost us £769,000 per goal.  He sounds more like a government employee embezzling money than a striker.

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha

observer wrote:
Natasha Whittam wrote:Dear me, I'd forgotten all about that donkey. What a fucking terrible waste of money.
You really think £455,500 per goal (transfer fee of £8.2 million) is a waste of money? If you add 3 years of approx 1.88 million of salary, then he cost us £769,000 per goal.  He sounds more like a government employee embezzling money than a striker.

Government employee? Surely you mean fat cat businessman!

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

The thing that annoyed me about him was that for 2 years he was shite then finally started to score just before his contract was up, almost as if he hadn't been trying till then.

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Still scored one of my favourite goals though.

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha

boltonbonce wrote:Still scored one of my favourite goals though.

Agreed and I always enjoy seeing us score against Wolves.

bryan458

bryan458
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly

A testament to Gartside's genius, he was fucking shite !!!!

Boggersbelief

Boggersbelief
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Showed rare bits of brilliance but was never up to premier league standard, his transfer was sickening at the time when you consider we bought the world class Anelka for less.

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Not a bad player, but way over priced and never going to replace Anelkas goals. Which Megson said when we signed him the fucking idiot.

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Very clever from the BN. Obviously a quiet news day, and being aware of the tensions around the club not signing any high quality players that command decent fees it makes sense to go with a non-story that says:
"Look folks - there's no need to panic. Splashing out loads of cash for a player doesn't necessarily mean they'll be successful. So why worry about our lack of finances and quality signings"?

FWIW Elmander had never played as a central striker before he joined us and as far as I recall he never played as a central striker when he left. Once a winger, always a winger - and he was a great winger. And as wingers go he had a better strike rate for BWFC (1 goal every 5 games) than both Stelios and Diouf and loads of other players. Basically Megson couldn't get the striker he wanted so he paid over the odds for a winger and tried to con the fans by selling him as a striker.

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

wanderlust wrote:Very clever from the BN. Obviously a quiet news day, and being aware of the tensions around the club not signing any high quality players that command decent fees.

There are no tensions. The tension is in your head. It's still June, many contracts don't run out until Saturday.

Get a grip and stop acting like a teenage girl.

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Natasha Whittam wrote:
wanderlust wrote:Very clever from the BN. Obviously a quiet news day, and being aware of the tensions around the club not signing any high quality players that command decent fees.

There are no tensions. The tension is in your head. It's still June, many contracts don't run out until Saturday.

Get a grip and stop acting like a teenage girl.
Acting like a girl?
Classic.

And sexist.

luckyPeterpiper

luckyPeterpiper
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo

My personal feeling is that Elmander was completely misused by Megson. He was never an out and out striker for Sweden or any other club he played for, he played in the holding role much like Kevin Davies did for us. It was the clearest case I saw of Megson being able to spot talent but having no damned clue of what to do with it when he had it. I know a lot of people bemoan the fee and wages, I agree they were stupid but they're not Elmander's fault, the club agreed to pay that which has to be laid at Gartside's door.

While this may make me unpopular with the esteemed sluffy I think we only saw what Elmander was capable of when Owen Coyle arrived and put him back in the role he'd been justifiably lauded for. Unfortunately by then he'd probably had enough of the abuse he got from both BWFC fans and staff and there simply wasn't enough time on his contract left for Owen to turn that around. For my money Elmander would have been a stellar signing for us if Megson hadn't been such a plank and played such a garbage system that even a Messi or Ronaldo would have struggled to shine in.

Sluffy

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luckyPeterpiper wrote:My personal feeling is that Elmander was completely misused by Megson. He was never an out and out striker for Sweden or any other club he played for, he played in the holding role much like Kevin Davies did for us. It was the clearest case I saw of Megson being able to spot talent but having no damned clue of what to do with it when he had it. I know a lot of people bemoan the fee and wages, I agree they were stupid but they're not Elmander's fault, the club agreed to pay that which has to be laid at Gartside's door.

While this may make me unpopular with the esteemed sluffy I think we only saw what Elmander was capable of when Owen Coyle arrived and put him back in the role he'd been justifiably lauded for. Unfortunately by then he'd probably had enough of the abuse he got from both BWFC fans and staff and there simply wasn't enough time on his contract left for Owen to turn that around. For my money Elmander would have been a stellar signing for us if Megson hadn't been such a plank and played such a garbage system that even a Messi or Ronaldo would have struggled to shine in.

Would this be the same Owen Coyle that came up with the genius idea of playing Elmander in midfield against Stoke at Wembley?

That went well didn't it Owen?


As for Elmandor his natural position was the 'withdrawn' striker (the number 10 position I think it is called these days - the player that players deeper than the main striker), however he was seldom played there whilst he was at the club.

It also didn't help that we were told he was signed to replace Anelka's goals, clearly he was not that sort of a player and couldn't fit such a gap.

It was clearly negligent of the club to run down his contract so that he was able to leave for free. He was still an established international striker at the time and we could have sold him and recuperated some of our money spent on him if we had.

All water under the bridge now anyway.


luckyPeterpiper

luckyPeterpiper
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo

Sluffy wrote:
luckyPeterpiper wrote:My personal feeling is that Elmander was completely misused by Megson. He was never an out and out striker for Sweden or any other club he played for, he played in the holding role much like Kevin Davies did for us. It was the clearest case I saw of Megson being able to spot talent but having no damned clue of what to do with it when he had it. I know a lot of people bemoan the fee and wages, I agree they were stupid but they're not Elmander's fault, the club agreed to pay that which has to be laid at Gartside's door.

While this may make me unpopular with the esteemed sluffy I think we only saw what Elmander was capable of when Owen Coyle arrived and put him back in the role he'd been justifiably lauded for. Unfortunately by then he'd probably had enough of the abuse he got from both BWFC fans and staff and there simply wasn't enough time on his contract left for Owen to turn that around. For my money Elmander would have been a stellar signing for us if Megson hadn't been such a plank and played such a garbage system that even a Messi or Ronaldo would have struggled to shine in.

Would this be the same Owen Coyle that came up with the genius idea of playing Elmander in midfield against Stoke at Wembley?

That went well didn't it Owen?


As for Elmandor his natural position was the 'withdrawn' striker (the number 10 position I think it is called these days - the player that players deeper than the main striker), however he was seldom played there whilst he was at the club.

It also didn't help that we were told he was signed to replace Anelka's goals, clearly he was not that sort of a player and couldn't fit such a gap.

It was clearly negligent of the club to run down his contract so that he was able to leave for free.  He was still an established international striker at the time and we could have sold him and recuperated some of our money spent on him if we had.

All water under the bridge now anyway.


Going after owen for how he used Elmander in ONE game is a bit unreasonable sluffy, even for you. For most of his time under Owen he played in that '10' role and did extremely well there. My personal feeling has always been that his confidence took a battering under Megson who blatantly refused to use him in the right place then blamed the player and even the fans when things didn't go the way Megson wanted. Unfortunately by the time Megson was replaced Elmander was probably sick of BWFC and even though Owen got more out of him and we saw some genuinely superb performances from him it was already too late. As I understand it (and I may be wrong here) the decision to let his contract run down came from above because we weren't going to match his wages for a new deal and no one else wanted to take them on as well as a fee when he was so close to the end of his existing deal. I think Owen would have liked to re-sign him but wasn't given the money to do it. Personally I think his wages were too high but of course he wasn't about to take a wage cut at a club that he didn't feel had treated him well.

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luckyPeterpiper wrote:
Sluffy wrote:
luckyPeterpiper wrote:My personal feeling is that Elmander was completely misused by Megson. He was never an out and out striker for Sweden or any other club he played for, he played in the holding role much like Kevin Davies did for us. It was the clearest case I saw of Megson being able to spot talent but having no damned clue of what to do with it when he had it. I know a lot of people bemoan the fee and wages, I agree they were stupid but they're not Elmander's fault, the club agreed to pay that which has to be laid at Gartside's door.

While this may make me unpopular with the esteemed sluffy I think we only saw what Elmander was capable of when Owen Coyle arrived and put him back in the role he'd been justifiably lauded for. Unfortunately by then he'd probably had enough of the abuse he got from both BWFC fans and staff and there simply wasn't enough time on his contract left for Owen to turn that around. For my money Elmander would have been a stellar signing for us if Megson hadn't been such a plank and played such a garbage system that even a Messi or Ronaldo would have struggled to shine in.

Would this be the same Owen Coyle that came up with the genius idea of playing Elmander in midfield against Stoke at Wembley?

That went well didn't it Owen?


As for Elmandor his natural position was the 'withdrawn' striker (the number 10 position I think it is called these days - the player that players deeper than the main striker), however he was seldom played there whilst he was at the club.

It also didn't help that we were told he was signed to replace Anelka's goals, clearly he was not that sort of a player and couldn't fit such a gap.

It was clearly negligent of the club to run down his contract so that he was able to leave for free.  He was still an established international striker at the time and we could have sold him and recuperated some of our money spent on him if we had.

All water under the bridge now anyway.


Going after owen for how he used Elmander in ONE game is a bit unreasonable sluffy, even for you. For most of his time under Owen he played in that '10' role and did extremely well there. My personal feeling has always been that his confidence took a battering under Megson who blatantly refused to use him in the right place then blamed the player and even the fans when things didn't go the way Megson wanted. Unfortunately by the time Megson was replaced Elmander was probably sick of BWFC and even though Owen got more out of him and we saw some genuinely superb performances from him it was already too late. As I understand it (and I may be wrong here) the decision to let his contract run down came from above because we weren't going to match his wages for a new deal and no one else wanted to take them on as well as a fee when he was so close to the end of his existing deal. I think Owen would have liked to re-sign him but wasn't given the money to do it. Personally I think his wages were too high but of course he wasn't about to take a wage cut at a club that he didn't feel had treated him well.

As for Coyle if we put away our rose coloured spectacles of him and look at the actual facts you will find this.

He took over from Megson half way through though the 2009/10 season.

His points total for the second half of that season (and don't forget he had the transfer window to improve things) was only marginally better than what Megson was sacked for.

His purple patch was the first half of the following season where we got 29 points in our first 19 league games but in the next 19 games we got just 17 points - relegation form AND for a whole half a season BEFORE the Stoke game!

The following season we were relegated and the season after that he was sacked.

Those are the facts and I'll leave it at that.

luckyPeterpiper

luckyPeterpiper
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo

I know sluffy. In fact I wrote an article on this very subject if you recall. I still feel the relegation season wasn't entirely Owen's fault given the horrendous injury list etc but I won't go there again. I do think that blaming Owen for ALL our problems is unfair though. The real damage, particularly the financial damage had been done long before he arrived during the end of the Big Sam days and then through the Megson days. Owen by and large inherited a mess and for a large part of his time here we still had fun and enjoyed the football.

Was he a good manager? No, on balance he wasn't because like Megson he couldn't adapt his game plan to new circumstances but his aggressive attacking style was certainly more fun to watch especially when it worked. However, to be blunt the main difference between Coyle and Megson was how we all felt and the fact is Megson was pure poison to the bond between club and fans, a poison that we still haven't fully recovered from. Personally I feel a manager who was an almagm of both men would be ideal. Megson could certainly spot a good 'un but had no idea how to motivate or use them while Owen was very popular with the players and got the best out of many of them.

Still, it was all a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away ....

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