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81Global Warming - Page 5 Empty Re: Global Warming Fri Feb 09 2024, 09:55

Sluffy

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Whitesince63 wrote:
Electric vehicles booming? Have you seen the latest figures? The only place they’re booming is in China where buyers have little or no choice. Both companies and vehicle hirers all over Europe are shunning them, manufacturers are reducing production numbers yet you still listen to the guff presented by the likes of the BBC and you call me deluded?

Why can’t you just see sense in that whilst everybody accepts the need to move to renewables, EV’s, heat pumps, windmills and solar are not the answer and even if they are tell that to the biggest emitters of CO2 who clearly aren’t listening as they burn more goal and use more gas every year. Get it into your thick skull that whatever we do here will make not one jot of meaningful difference to carbon levels, just decimate our economy in favour of the new grouping of of China, India and Russia who are only too keen for us to harm ourselves.

God, you are so wrapped up in your right wing propaganda that you don't even understand what the story is all about.

The story is that we (the planet) has SEVENTY-SIX YEARS to meet the target of not raising the average temperature of the planet by 1.5C more by the year 2100

The article above states that in the last TEN YEARS the planet, through being conscious of what we have to do (or else...) has already started to slowly put the hand brake on and start to slow us down before we drive over the cliff.

In another ten years there will be more gentle change over from fossil fuels to green energy across the planet and same again ten years after that and every succeeding ten years thereafter.

It is more than likely that we have yet to even invent the science in order to achieve the target - as explained in an article from a few days ago...

Nuclear fusion: new record brings dream of clean energy closer

Nuclear fusion has produced more energy than ever before in an experiment, bringing the world a step closer to the dream of limitless, clean power.

Nuclear fusion is the process that powers the Sun. It works by heating and forcing tiny particles together to make a heavier one which releases useful energy.

If successfully scaled up to commercial levels it could produce endless amounts of clean energy without carbon emissions. And crucially unlike wind and solar energy would not be at the mercy of weather conditions.

"In order for the atoms to fuse together on Earth, we need temperatures ten times hotter than the Sun - around 100 million celsius, and we need a high enough density of the atoms and for a long enough time," she explained.

The experiments produced 69 megajoules of energy over five seconds. That is only enough energy for four to five hot baths - so not a lot.

It is clear we are still a long way off from nuclear fusion power plants, but with every experiment it is bringing us one step closer.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-68233330


Don't you get it?

It isn't about forcing green energy on everybody, it isn't about stopping burning fossil fuels overnight, it is about the countries in the world starting to take responsibility to stop what is going to come, if we don't do something about global warming, sooner than later.

We (the world) has started the process in 2015 and already in just less than ten years the world has already made a difference in slowing the rise in global warming to under the 4C doomsday total we seemed to have been on course for back then.

Can the world limit it to just 1.5C by 2100, maybe, maybe not but if we don't the worse it will be for the planet.

Let's hope they do.

82Global Warming - Page 5 Empty Re: Global Warming Fri Feb 09 2024, 11:46

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Sluffy wrote:

:bow:
Very good, Bob. Very Happy
On a sour note, I don't like Baxters. Lobster Bisque? Behave yourselves.
And can anyone find me a nice pea soup that doesn't contain bloody mint?

83Global Warming - Page 5 Empty Re: Global Warming Fri Feb 09 2024, 12:50

Whitesince63


El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

boltonbonce wrote:
Very good, Bob. Very Happy
On a sour note, I don't like Baxters. Lobster Bisque? Behave yourselves.
And can anyone find me a nice pea soup that doesn't contain bloody mint?
Make your own Bob if you don’t like mint it’s so simple and much tastier than bought. Frozen peas or grow your own it’s just as delicious. 😉

84Global Warming - Page 5 Empty Re: Global Warming Fri Feb 09 2024, 12:54

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Whitesince63 wrote:
Make your own Bob if you don’t like mint it’s so simple and much tastier than bought. Frozen peas or grow your own it’s just as delicious. 😉

85Global Warming - Page 5 Empty Re: Global Warming Fri Feb 09 2024, 13:01

Whitesince63


El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

Glad to see you’re finally coming round to agreeing with me Sluffy that we need to develop different ways to move to renewables, including your nuclear fusion but also thermal energy, hydrogen, SMR’s and for vehicles, synthetic fuels. There is certainly no need to rush to decimate our countryside, wildlife and farming with windmills and solar farms. We all accept the need to move to renewables but the technology isn’t there yet. Even if the UK could move to 100% electricity tomorrow it wouldn’t even change anything other than bankrupting everybody so face facts.

86Global Warming - Page 5 Empty Re: Global Warming Fri Feb 09 2024, 13:03

Whitesince63


El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

boltonbonce wrote:

Sorry bonce, too fixated with my reply to Sluffy!! ☹

87Global Warming - Page 5 Empty Re: Global Warming Fri Feb 09 2024, 13:09

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Whitesince63 wrote:
Sorry bonce, too fixated with my reply to Sluffy!! ☹
No worries 63. I just get frustrated when I'm not mistaken for George Clooney. Very Happy

88Global Warming - Page 5 Empty Re: Global Warming Fri Feb 09 2024, 13:15

Ten Bobsworth


Frank Worthington
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boltonbonce wrote:
Very good, Bob. Very Happy
On a sour note, I don't like Baxters. Lobster Bisque? Behave yourselves.
And can anyone find me a nice pea soup that doesn't contain bloody mint?
Lobster bisque? Sounds like one of those champagne socialists if you don't mind me saying so.

My sister Dolly loves my home-made pea soup without mint. I exchange it for her cucumber sandwiches and upside-down cake.

89Global Warming - Page 5 Empty Re: Global Warming Fri Feb 09 2024, 13:55

okocha

okocha
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

boltonbonce wrote:
No worries 63. I just get frustrated when I'm not mistaken for George Clooney. Very Happy
Bonce,  if your current avatar is a fair reflection of your present-day looks, may I politely suggest that you stop worrying about your shaving brushes and concentrate more on standing a bit closer to your actual razor each morning... 

Also, if you can't find an NHS dentist, fork out and go privately. Use the money that you've saved by foregoing midweek matches.

I'm sure you'll tell me that you radiate an inner beauty deep inside, and I know that beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that, but bloody hell, mate, please find an avatar that doesn't look as if you're auditioning for Worzel Gummidge and doesn't make me choke on my cornflakes!!

90Global Warming - Page 5 Empty Re: Global Warming Fri Feb 09 2024, 15:55

Sluffy

Sluffy
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Whitesince63 wrote:Glad to see you’re finally coming round to agreeing with me Sluffy that we need to develop different ways to move to renewables, including your nuclear fusion but also thermal energy, hydrogen, SMR’s and for vehicles, synthetic fuels. There is certainly no need to rush to decimate our countryside, wildlife and farming with windmills and solar farms. We all accept the need to move to renewables but the technology isn’t there yet. Even if the UK could move to 100% electricity tomorrow it wouldn’t even change anything other than bankrupting everybody so face facts.


Agreeing with you???

Are you totally stupid or something???

That is what I've been saying from the very start - it is YOU who has been fixated and brainwashed  focusing on heat pumps, wind turbines and solar panels on every corner.  Banging on about China, India, Russia etc, not slowing down burning fossil fuels right now, that nobody wants to but electric cars, etc, etc.

You're still doing it now!!!

It is YOU who hasn't understood that the target is 76 YEARS away and lots will happen in that time.

It is YOU who hasn't understood that the change from fossil fuel to green energy will be slow and gradual - not seismic and instantaneous.

It is YOU who has been in denial of the science of the global warming being man made.

It is you who HAS NOT UNDERSTOOD A THING!!!

Your stupidity has been breath-taking and now you seem to somehow believe I've come round to your way of thinking???

Why do you think I've been referencing you as the Strawman from the Wizard of Oz (the one with no brain) and the ostrich with it's head up its arse???

Why do you think I've been telling you that you've obviously been brainwashed by the right wing political ideology you clearly follow?

Why do you think I've been telling you that I'm the one trying to explain to the idiot with the closed mind???

The bottom line to all this is that we've fucked the world up and continue to do so.

We (the world - including China, India, etc) have finally realised this and have slowly over the last TEN YEARS began to do something about it.

We've got another 76 YEARS to achieve the necessary target that science has told us we MUST meet and we can only achieve that by gradually changing how as a global society live our life's.

Will we achieve it - who knows - but the sooner we do something (rather than nothing) the better our chances are.

Twenty years ago we didn't have electric cars on the streets, weekly recycling bins, or have to pay for plastic carrier bags at the stores, so change has become gradual and part of our daily life, we are already on the path to year 2100 without most of us even knowing it - and change WILL take place over the next 76 years too - not instantaneously as you've been brainwashed into believing.

That's how things are done - the politicians want your vote and scare people like you into believing all sorts of nonsense because most people are to stupid to understand that they are being played and manipulated - that is how gaining power and retaining it has worked for centuries - it's nothing new.

And that is why the planet is in the state it currently is.

Sadly I can't see mankind getting any better before 2100 but you've got to try haven't you as the alternative isn't going to be very nice for those of us to come after us - like our children and their children too.

91Global Warming - Page 5 Empty Re: Global Warming Fri Feb 09 2024, 18:10

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Whitesince63 wrote:
Make your own Bob if you don’t like mint it’s so simple and much tastier than bought. Frozen peas or grow your own it’s just as delicious. 😉
Told me his real name once in a chance encounter at the Little Snoring Messerschmitt Restorers Morris Dancing Division, summer festival. If you really must know it’s Gretchen McGruntfuttock…but his friends just call him Tarquin as he and his four brothers used to work in road maintenance.

92Global Warming - Page 5 Empty Re: Global Warming Fri Feb 09 2024, 18:35

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

okocha wrote:
Bonce,  if your current avatar is a fair reflection of your present-day looks, may I politely suggest that you stop worrying about your shaving brushes and concentrate more on standing a bit closer to your actual razor each morning... 

Also, if you can't find an NHS dentist, fork out and go privately. Use the money that you've saved by foregoing midweek matches.

I'm sure you'll tell me that you radiate an inner beauty deep inside, and I know that beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that, but bloody hell, mate, please find an avatar that doesn't look as if you're auditioning for Worzel Gummidge and doesn't make me choke on my cornflakes!!
Your wish is my command. Very Happy

93Global Warming - Page 5 Empty Re: Global Warming Fri Feb 09 2024, 20:55

okocha

okocha
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

boltonbonce wrote:
Your wish is my command. Very Happy
Aargh......my eyes, my eyes!!

94Global Warming - Page 5 Empty Re: Global Warming Fri Feb 09 2024, 21:41

Sluffy

Sluffy
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okocha wrote:Bonce,  if your current avatar is a fair reflection of your present-day looks, may I politely suggest that you stop worrying about your shaving brushes and concentrate more on standing a bit closer to your actual razor each morning... 

Also, if you can't find an NHS dentist, fork out and go privately. Use the money that you've saved by foregoing midweek matches.

I'm sure you'll tell me that you radiate an inner beauty deep inside, and I know that beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that, but bloody hell, mate, please find an avatar that doesn't look as if you're auditioning for Worzel Gummidge and doesn't make me choke on my cornflakes!!

I still have an NHS dentist so maybe what I'm about to say is not a true reflection of the cost of going private but I read this just a couple of days ago - which just so happened a week after I had finished my course of treatment which consisted of a consultation, a couple of minor filings and a root canal...

In September, Tommy resorted to booking a private appointment because he was suffering with toothache. His consultation and treatment for fillings including one root canal came to £1,720.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-68228322

It cost me £70.70p - and to be honest I even begrudged paying that after paying National Insurance for the best part of 50 years.

I certainly won't begrudge it in future though!


95Global Warming - Page 5 Empty Re: Global Warming Fri Feb 09 2024, 23:18

Whitesince63


El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

Sluffy wrote:


Agreeing with you???

Are you totally stupid or something???

That is what I've been saying from the very start - it is YOU who has been fixated and brainwashed  focusing on heat pumps, wind turbines and solar panels on every corner.  Banging on about China, India, Russia etc, not slowing down burning fossil fuels right now, that nobody wants to but electric cars, etc, etc.

You're still doing it now!!!

It is YOU who hasn't understood that the target is 76 YEARS away and lots will happen in that time.

It is YOU who hasn't understood that the change from fossil fuel to green energy will be slow and gradual - not seismic and instantaneous.

It is YOU who has been in denial of the science of the global warming being man made.

It is you who HAS NOT UNDERSTOOD A THING!!!

Your stupidity has been breath-taking and now you seem to somehow believe I've come round to your way of thinking???

Why do you think I've been referencing you as the Strawman from the Wizard of Oz (the one with no brain) and the ostrich with it's head up its arse???

Why do you think I've been telling you that you've obviously been brainwashed by the right wing political ideology you clearly follow?

Why do you think I've been telling you that I'm the one trying to explain to the idiot with the closed mind???

The bottom line to all this is that we've fucked the world up and continue to do so.

We (the world - including China, India, etc) have finally realised this and have slowly over the last TEN YEARS began to do something about it.

We've got another 76 YEARS to achieve the necessary target that science has told us we MUST meet and we can only achieve that by gradually changing how as a global society live our life's.

Will we achieve it - who knows - but the sooner we do something (rather than nothing) the better our chances are.

Twenty years ago we didn't have electric cars on the streets, weekly recycling bins, or have to pay for plastic carrier bags at the stores, so change has become gradual and part of our daily life, we are already on the path to year 2100 without most of us even knowing it - and change WILL take place over the next 76 years too - not instantaneously as you've been brainwashed into believing.

That's how things are done - the politicians want your vote and scare people like you into believing all sorts of nonsense because most people are to stupid to understand that they are being played and manipulated - that is how gaining power and retaining it has worked for centuries - it's nothing new.

And that is why the planet is in the state it currently is.

Sadly I can't see mankind getting any better before 2100 but you've got to try haven't you as the alternative isn't going to be very nice for those of us to come after us - like our children and their children too.
🥱🤧🥱🫣🥱👻👹☠
Sluffy, you are so easy to wind up.

96Global Warming - Page 5 Empty Re: Global Warming Fri Feb 09 2024, 23:28

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin

Whitesince63 wrote:
🥱🤧🥱🫣🥱👻👹☠
Sluffy, you are so easy to wind up.

Yes I've been played by a genius who wears a tinfoil hat...

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97Global Warming - Page 5 Empty Re: Global Warming Sat Feb 10 2024, 09:48

Whitesince63


El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

Sluffy wrote:

Yes I've been played by a genius who wears a tinfoil hat...

Global Warming - Page 5 Man-in-tin-foil-lined-bed-room
👍😇

98Global Warming - Page 5 Empty Re: Global Warming Thu Nov 07 2024, 15:35

Sluffy

Sluffy
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Two bits of bad news followed by one bit of Trump good news on global warming!

Bad news I

This year set to be first to breach 1.5C global warming limit

It is now "virtually certain" that 2024 - a year punctuated by intense heatwaves and deadly storms - will be the world's warmest on record, according to projections by the European climate service.

Global average temperatures across the year are on track to end up more than 1.5C above pre-industrial levels, which would make 2024 the first calendar year to breach this symbolic mark.

These high temperatures are mainly down to human-caused climate change, with smaller contributions from natural factors such as the El Niño weather pattern.

Global temperatures have been so high through the first 10 months of 2024 that only an implausibly sharp drop in the final two months would prevent a new record from being set.

In fact, it is likely that 2024 will end up at least 1.55C hotter than pre-industrial times, according to data from the European Copernicus Climate Change Service.

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Bad News II

Trump victory is a major setback for climate action, experts say

Donald Trump's return to the White House will have a hugely negative effect on climate change action in the short-term but the longer term impact is less certain, experts say.

The US president-elect is a known climate sceptic who has called efforts to boost green energy a "scam".

While climate change did not play much of a role in this year's campaign, Trump's likely actions in office this time could be far more significant than in 2017.

Back then, he announced the US would pull out of the Paris climate agreement, the most important UN process to tackle climate change. The agreement saw almost all the world's nations - for the first time - agree to cut the greenhouse gas emissions which cause global warming.

But the shock of Trump's decision was limited. The treaty's rules meant the US was not able to withdraw until November 2020, a few months before he left office.

If Trump withdraws again, he will only have to wait a year before the US is completely out. That would give him three years to chart his own course without any need to report to the UN or be bound by its rules.

As well as these headline-grabbing international actions, the new Trump administration is likely to push for a major ramp up of oil and gas exploration within the US, roll back environmental protections as well as impose heavy tariffs on electric vehicles and solar panels coming from China.

"You are looking at, overall, a 'drill baby drill' philosophy," Dan Eberhart, chief executive officer of oilfield services company Canary LLC told Bloomberg News.

"You are going to see offshore lease sales, you are going to see pipelines move much quicker, you are going to see fracking on federal lands and a mindset that is focused on lowering energy costs for consumers."

There was a big drop in the share price of , externalturbine manufacturers, external on Wednesday, as fears grew that US offshore wind farms would be cancelled by a Trump presidency.

The unexpected Good News!

For a start he faces opposition - and notably from within his own party.

Biden's Inflation Reduction Act, which may ultimately channel $1 trillion of spending into green energy, has been hugely beneficial to Republican districts.

According to one analysis, some 85% of the money has been in areas that elected, Republicans.

With energy watchdog the International Energy Agency reporting that global investment in clean technology is running at double the size of coal, oil and gas in 2024, the new US administration might not want to drive this type of green investment into other, more eager countries.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5ygplyg09ro


If Trump, Musk, etc can see money in it for themselves...


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