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Do we need to talk about EVANS?
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Cajunboy
Sluffy
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Ten Bobsworth
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1 Do we need to talk about EVANS? Mon May 20 2024, 15:57
Cajunboy
Frank Worthington
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2 Re: Do we need to talk about EVANS? Mon May 20 2024, 16:01
Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Steve Evans?
Seriously though Evatt will stay unless he quits.
I don’t think Sharon is the ruthless sort unless she’s leant on by someone.
Seriously though Evatt will stay unless he quits.
I don’t think Sharon is the ruthless sort unless she’s leant on by someone.
3 Re: Do we need to talk about EVANS? Thu May 23 2024, 18:10
luckyPeterpiper
Ivan Campo
Consider me to be leaning on her then Hipster. For my money Evatt is the problem and needs to go.
4 Re: Do we need to talk about EVANS? Fri May 24 2024, 07:32
Ten Bobsworth
Frank Worthington
Didn't Sharon tell the Select Committee that IE was offered jobs at three times the money he's on at Bolton? Why would he want to stay?luckyPeterpiper wrote:Consider me to be leaning on her then Hipster. For my money Evatt is the problem and needs to go.
Equally importantly, do Sharon and her 'consortium' want to stick around much longer?
5 Re: Do we need to talk about EVANS? Fri May 24 2024, 11:26
Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Overall he has done a great job but he does frustrate me at times.
For a young manager he seems very set on just playing one way which is fine if you are Citeh but our players are miles away from that standard. I know a lot of fans on twitter are calling for his head but i would give him another season to see if he can get us promoted.
For a young manager he seems very set on just playing one way which is fine if you are Citeh but our players are miles away from that standard. I know a lot of fans on twitter are calling for his head but i would give him another season to see if he can get us promoted.
6 Re: Do we need to talk about EVANS? Fri May 24 2024, 12:31
Sluffy
Admin
I sort of understand why we have this thread but in reality several of us talked about this issue on other threads following the play-off fiasco and before Cajun started this one (I assumed Cajun simply hadn't read the previous views of others elsewhere on the forum?)
Fwiw this is what I've said (and also Karly's view too)
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Fwiw this is what I've said (and also Karly's view too)
Sluffy wrote:karlypants wrote:Is it not Evatts fault in recruiting these twats?
Sluffy I think we need quite a bit of money to spend to get up next season instead of just crossing our fingers and riding our luck in the loan and freebie market.
I’m also going back to what I’ve said a few times now that I also think that Evatt isn’t the right man to take the club up to the next division.
Well we finished third in the league and should really have gone up at least in second place if we hadn't wasted those points during Baxter's 'injury', and was just one win away at Wembley to a team we beat 5-0 just a few months back and the only loan player we've used regularly this season is Maghoma - so I suggest we really don't need to splash the cash to get up next season - although any strengthening of the team is always welcome.
I truly have no idea of how the club is funded - Hart states that we will never be financially self-sufficient and Sharon, James and Luckock have not put their hands in their pockets for the last two years and on paper at least it seems we've been totally subsidised by a bunch of yuppy ex-pats working in Switzerland just for fun!
Are they up for funding us for another season - I don't know?
Is anyone up for funding us next season - again I don't know, but the answer is probably yes - it all seems to be about some social experiment by Sharon backed by the likes of Nick Mason (hope he's in good health!).
As for Evatt he clearly is inconsistent - no two halves in most games are the same from us and he's clearly got blind spots such as with keepers and not having a plan B.
Thing is though is that Sharon seems to think he is the bees knees - and she is the one who hires and fires, so I think the chances of him getting the sack is very slim - however did I read something about a manager who had been betting on football matches being investigated...
I wonder who that must be?
I suggest it is going to be more of the same for next year, many of the same players, with the same manager, playing the same style - and getting into the play-offs, or better.
But what do I know as I'm only a twerp apparently!
Hope you and your lad enjoyed the day despite the result.
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7 Re: Do we need to talk about EVANS? Sat May 25 2024, 18:14
Cajunboy
Frank Worthington
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You are right Sluffy, I started this thread because it seemed the most important question to ask given our patheic performance in the play-off final. I couldn't continue with it moments after I had started it due to unforseen circumstances.
I was amazed a few days later to find Hipster the sole poster. I then found the other posts on another thread.
I know I felt really angry after the match not my usual philosophical self.
EVATT just looked like a big bad baby with no answers at all.
I know he was unfortunate with injuries this season, losing our top striker and goalkeeper probably cost us our promotion. I am coming to terms with the fact that he will probably be our manager next year. It's unlikely that I will be around to see many of the games though.
Watching the Cup Final today was like watching Bolton, plenty of possession then one break by the opposition and we 're 1-0 down, minutes later 2-0 down. Don't get me started on Santos.
So much will now depends on what kind of offers we get for some of our players. Sharon may not be able to hang on to some key players if the cash is needed. ( but we all know that).
I do think it will be a harder league to get out of next year though.
EVATT may have missed his big chance.
I was amazed a few days later to find Hipster the sole poster. I then found the other posts on another thread.
I know I felt really angry after the match not my usual philosophical self.
EVATT just looked like a big bad baby with no answers at all.
I know he was unfortunate with injuries this season, losing our top striker and goalkeeper probably cost us our promotion. I am coming to terms with the fact that he will probably be our manager next year. It's unlikely that I will be around to see many of the games though.
Watching the Cup Final today was like watching Bolton, plenty of possession then one break by the opposition and we 're 1-0 down, minutes later 2-0 down. Don't get me started on Santos.
So much will now depends on what kind of offers we get for some of our players. Sharon may not be able to hang on to some key players if the cash is needed. ( but we all know that).
I do think it will be a harder league to get out of next year though.
EVATT may have missed his big chance.
8 Re: Do we need to talk about EVANS? Sat May 25 2024, 20:52
boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Gonna be a tough season. Birmingham have got wads of cash to throw, and have to be favourites to go straight back up. We're looking at the play offs again. If we're lucky.
I've got a feeling we'll finish mid table.
I've got a feeling we'll finish mid table.
9 Re: Do we need to talk about EVANS? Mon Jun 03 2024, 13:59
luckyPeterpiper
Ivan Campo
Personally I think Ian Evatt has had enough opportunities in the last two seasons to show he has he mental toughness to deal with the crunch time at the end of a season. Both times he has failed and this season was far worse given the position we were in with games in hand and almost no points needed to secure automatic promotion. Although I've said it before I will say it again, he chokes when the going gets tough and that mentality filters down to the players. We can't blame them as a lot were loanees who were here for one season not both yet we had the same result both times.
Frankly I can only think Sharon and FV cannot afford to pay him off or put him on Gardening Leave while a replacement is brought in because he really should be gone already. As to Birmingham and their pots of cash it's frankly irrelevant, we've seen 'rich' clubs fail to secure an immediate return to a higher division many times. It's about the 'spirit' within the club and the mentality that leads them. Evatt lacks both in my opinion.
Frankly I can only think Sharon and FV cannot afford to pay him off or put him on Gardening Leave while a replacement is brought in because he really should be gone already. As to Birmingham and their pots of cash it's frankly irrelevant, we've seen 'rich' clubs fail to secure an immediate return to a higher division many times. It's about the 'spirit' within the club and the mentality that leads them. Evatt lacks both in my opinion.
10 Re: Do we need to talk about EVANS? Thu Jun 06 2024, 09:56
wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
I can’t think of any justification for the idea that this group of ambitious professional players didn’t perform as a direct result of getting a bad vibe from the manager.luckyPeterpiper wrote:Personally I think Ian Evatt has had enough opportunities in the last two seasons to show he has he mental toughness to deal with the crunch time at the end of a season. Both times he has failed and this season was far worse given the position we were in with games in hand and almost no points needed to secure automatic promotion. Although I've said it before I will say it again, he chokes when the going gets tough and that mentality filters down to the players. We can't blame them as a lot were loanees who were here for one season not both yet we had the same result both times.
They knew what they needed to do, they knew what Oxford were going to do and they knew the expectation of the fans - they just played badly.
I am very familiar with the cliche that the buck stops with the manager -and of course he has to bear some of the responsibility- but not all of it by any means.
11 Re: Do we need to talk about EVANS? Thu Jun 06 2024, 12:24
terenceanne
El Hadji Diouf
Everybody and their mother expected Bolton to win that game - all the pundits and even the Oxford fans thought they had slim chance. One of those things in football that can't be explained.
Technically the club has improved in every category year over year. Do that again and we must go up. If not, then a change is in order.
Technically the club has improved in every category year over year. Do that again and we must go up. If not, then a change is in order.
12 Re: Do we need to talk about EVANS? Fri Jun 07 2024, 22:43
luckyPeterpiper
Ivan Campo
Hi Lusty, nice to see you're still here. I do understand where you're coming from BUT I also disagree, in part because the choking has now happened TWICE with two very different groups of players. When you see the same thing happening more than once you have to look for the common factor and in this case that is Ian Evatt. The reality is that sport, like so many other endeavours is about more than just ability, it's at least in part about self-belief and confidence. In Evatt's case I feel he somehow lacks that when at the sharp end and no matter how much you try to deny it he's the man in charge and that mindset will filter down to his subordinates no matter how talented they might be.
If it were my decision to make Ian would have been relieved of his duties right after the play off final and a new person appointed ASAP so they could have the whole transfer window to determine which players they wanted within our admittedly limited budget. I realise I may sound pessimistic, perhaps even like I'm channeling Nat but I don't see us climbing any higher up the league than we are now while Ian Evatt is the manager. In fact I don't even think we'll make the play offs next season as things currently stand. We were downright lucky to make the final and frankly I do believe that the manager is the problem.
If it were my decision to make Ian would have been relieved of his duties right after the play off final and a new person appointed ASAP so they could have the whole transfer window to determine which players they wanted within our admittedly limited budget. I realise I may sound pessimistic, perhaps even like I'm channeling Nat but I don't see us climbing any higher up the league than we are now while Ian Evatt is the manager. In fact I don't even think we'll make the play offs next season as things currently stand. We were downright lucky to make the final and frankly I do believe that the manager is the problem.
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