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1Minutes from the Meeting Empty Minutes from the Meeting Tue Jun 18 2013, 22:21

BoltonTillIDie

BoltonTillIDie
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Chair: Richard Gough, Head of Public Sales.


BWFC Officials in attendance:

Andrew Dean, Promotions Manager

Jacky Ackland, Promotions Executive.

Jonathon Swift, Media Team.


Supporter attendees:


Vince Hankinson, James Kilfoyle, Kevin Pilling, Claire Wright, Simon Nightingale, Steve Rammond, Mike O’Neill, Jonathan Ramsey, Ian Smith, Mike Beatty, Kevin Rainford, Rob Muirhead, Judith Berry, Frank Berry, Gareth Robinson, Philip Heys, Steve Greenhalgh, David Roberts

Apologies, Andrew Rushton, Emma Culshaw, Steven Culshaw

RG welcomed everyone to the first meeting. The group has been established as a consultation process with the supporters to discuss how the match-day and overall customer experience can be improved, and attendance increased. Previous interaction with supporters has included surveys, Fans Forums, and communication by telephone, email and visitors in person. The new working group is intended to be a positive step towards improving communication, discussing new ideas and working towards enhancing the whole supporter matchday journey including ticket purchase, travel, catering, entertainment, and match experience.

The independent Premier League mystery shopper exercise in 2010 (VisitFootball, Quality Assured Stadium Scheme) had placed the Club mid-way in the Premier League with the matchday experience being noted as efficient but not particularly memorable. Changes were made in 2011/12 including the introduction of external matchday customer services staff and the Club conducting its own monthly mystery shopping exercises throughout the season. These changes resulted in an improved overall score of 8th and finishing as high as 4th in some elements of the survey.

Although progress has been made RG said that the Club must continue to improve in all areas and that the new focus group and further supporter consultation will be a big help in making this happen.

As an example of how consultation can benefit the Club and supporters, slides were shown illustrating mock-up designs of the North Stand Upper concourse areas that included a number of ‘fan memories’ that the Club had appealed for in March. These memories of BWFC will form a key part of the new-look stand that will be unveiled at the Family Fun-Day in July. Also within the concourse will be games areas and interactive activities for young supporters.

It was suggested that the changes should be promoted more widely as they could influence seat changes. It was agreed that some details would be released through Facebook and Twitter but some information would be withheld for the unveiling. John Ashley, the Junior Programmes Manager, would be invited to a future meeting to discuss plans and ideas for attracting more children and enhancing the experience of the existing junior supporters.

The group spoke positively about the change of sponsor and were looking forward to a brand new start, most agreed that although a return to the Premier League was the focus, the season in the Championship had been enjoyable and a positive experience.



The official BWFC website was discussed in detail with the general consensus that the site was poor in design and content. Opinions included lack of content, bland content, difficult to

navigate, late with news. The group agreed that supporters look for news elsewhere even though the accuracy of the information is sometimes lacking. BWFC website, though factual, is slow to make announcements and respond to events. Unofficial Tweets often spread throughout the internet prior to any club announcements. Suggestions for improvements to the official website included more player interviews and updates on player injuries and behind-the-scenes content.

RG asked if the information published on the official site is regarded as more or less credible than other sources with comments in response that credibility wasn’t the issue rather it was poor content, slow updates and ‘clunky’ to use that turned users off. Other ideas included fans forums and more supporter interaction on the site. The group was advised that the Communications department, responsible for the website, had recently been re-vamped and Jonathan, present at the meeting, was keen to improve the content available.

It was suggested that in-line with other entertainment industries, emails could be sent prior to matches containing match-day information, details of the next game etc. A PDF "Match-days at the Reebok" is available online but maybe some of this information could be emailed, especially to first time visitors.

Regarding a request for a Wi-Fi service it was explained that there is already a service available throughout the Stadium but to improve the service within the Stadium bowl would be prohibitively expensive and a massive task due to the concrete build and steelwork. Options are being looked into by the IT Director, Dave Atkinson, who would be more than happy to attend a future meeting to discuss this in more detail.

The concourse televisions were a topic of conversation, with some group members feeling that these should be turned off during the game which would encourage everyone to their seats. RG agreed that this option will be considered by the Club but asked whether or not it is personal choice for supporters who want to stay in the concourses during the match, and that removing this may even deter some supporters from coming.

It was agreed by everyone that it was important to create a better atmosphere with the following points to be considered:

Buses to arrive earlier so that supporters will enter the stadium earlier.



An area designated to regular BWFC away supporters to try and recreate the away match atmosphere.


Choose the music to announce the players onto the pitch and stick with it creating a song that will become instantly recognised and associated with Bolton Wanderers and become a tradition. We need our own identity and shouldn’t copy others.

A safe standing area – RG agreed that this could be discussed in more detail at a future meeting.

Publish BWFC football songs on the website and maybe on the scoreboard for all to sing along with.

A supporter in the stand with a megaphone to encourage fans to sing and chant as per some European clubs.

A second screen, although this was rejected as being too expensive. The current screen is now reaching the end of its working life and is due for replacement within the next two or three seasons.

Andrew Dean told the group that the current screen had been purchased using lottery funds raised by the Lifeline and Goldline draw schemes and sales of Golden Gamble draw tickets and Instant Win scratch tickets, and in effect had been purchased by the fans themselves. The combined lotteries raise approx £1.25million per year which nets approximately £½ million each year for capex projects which otherwise the Club would not be able to afford. The majority of the group were not aware of the lotteries, how much cash they raised and how the money was spent and felt that this information should be more vigorously promoted. Anyone interested in joining Lifeline or Goldline, or for further information regarding any of the lotteries, please visit [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] !!

The change of match-day announcer was questioned. The Club feel that after 14 years it is time for a new direction and this will be announced at a later date due to some of the finer details still under discussion. There is however a commitment to improve the PA system. All details will be brought to the next meeting.

The change of sponsor was seen as a popular move but a question was raised whether this would affect the Club resources and spending power. The Club advised that regardless of sponsor that expenditure and resources are thoroughly controlled and a system is in place to ensure that before any money becomes available the benefits to the Club/supporter are understood.

Questions were raised about the new focus group and whether it was going to be one or two meetings or whether the Club intended it to be longer term. RG responded that the future of the group should be decided by the group, not the Club but that the Club was keen to commit to a long-term consultative process with its supporters.

A copy of the Customer Charter was distributed to the group who were asked to read the document and feedback their views at the next meeting. It was suggested that they could compare it with those published by other Football Clubs. All new ideas will be discussed and adopted wherever feasible and the Customer Charter will become the Supporter Charter, written by Supporters, for Supporters.

It was agreed that the next meeting should be held in July and that the date would be sent out in due course and the meeting was brought to a close with RG thanking everyone for their time.

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2Minutes from the Meeting Empty Re: Minutes from the Meeting Tue Jun 18 2013, 22:29

BoltonTillIDie

BoltonTillIDie
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

I remember saying on here this would be good after watching one of the European games with a guy with a megaphone - forget who it was, but I liked it...Others said it would be annoying.  The words on a screen is a good idea, doubt we'll see "Wanky wanky wanky wanky Wanderers" Smile

3Minutes from the Meeting Empty Re: Minutes from the Meeting Tue Jun 18 2013, 22:40

Soul Kitchen

Soul Kitchen
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo

BTID your right, that chant won't be on the screens despite the fact it's very popular with us Whites when we're winning!

4Minutes from the Meeting Empty Re: Minutes from the Meeting Tue Jun 18 2013, 22:43

Keegan

Keegan
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How's this for a new song:

"We're the one and only Wanderers, screw Wolves and Wycombe
They're in the lower leagues, their supporters should stay home!"

https://forum.boltonnuts.co.uk

5Minutes from the Meeting Empty Re: Minutes from the Meeting Tue Jun 18 2013, 22:48

Reebok Trotter

Reebok Trotter
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Where is Azreal mentioned? I thought after his meeting with Garty that he was the new eyes and ears of the fans?

6Minutes from the Meeting Empty Re: Minutes from the Meeting Wed Jun 19 2013, 10:22

Kane57

Kane57
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly

What a load of bollocks.

Megaphones?

Lyrics on the screen?

So small time.

7Minutes from the Meeting Empty Re: Minutes from the Meeting Wed Jun 19 2013, 10:25

Copper Dragon

Copper Dragon
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo

Why are they apologising to my best friend Steven Culshaw?

8Minutes from the Meeting Empty Re: Minutes from the Meeting Wed Jun 19 2013, 11:53

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Kane57 wrote:What a load of bollocks.

Megaphones?

Lyrics on the screen?

So small time.
The proposals are narrow-minded and don't show any imagination or address the underlying problem.
Simply put, the atmosphere could be greatly improves by having a full house. This can be done by targeting schools and youth organisations offering discounted or free seats wherever there is a shortfall. Income could be generated in a number of ways to offset the costs of managing the logistics of this and it's the perfect way to create a pipeline of future (paying) fans.
One way would be to have a juniors area for which tickets are not sold until everything else has gone. Build an online network of schools and youth orgs and the day before the match mail them with the offer e.g. we have reserved 1000 seats for U14s for e.g. £1. Staff it with youth workers as stewards and have sweets, pop, club memorabilia, games vendors and a mini "McDonalds"-type franchise etc. to recoup some income - recreate the Navada Saturday morning atmosphere and have a dedicated child collection area at the exit.
1000 screaming kids would liven things up.

9Minutes from the Meeting Empty Re: Minutes from the Meeting Wed Jun 19 2013, 12:04

BoltonTillIDie

BoltonTillIDie
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Great idea Wanderlust - I always thought they should give free tickets to schools to 'claim' them while they are young before they swan off to be Man Utd fans

10Minutes from the Meeting Empty Re: Minutes from the Meeting Thu Jun 20 2013, 09:46

Kane57

Kane57
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly

Always thought it would work.

Kids who come in for free will probably spend a tenner on pop and crisps - winner winner

11Minutes from the Meeting Empty Re: Minutes from the Meeting Thu Jun 20 2013, 11:07

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

As I've said time and time again, they are completely missing where the money is.

Ditch the common fan who pays for a ticket and maybe a pint or a pie - go 100% corporate and have everyone having a 5 course meal with alcohol, let people make a day of it. While they wouldn't fit nearly as many people in, the average spend would be massive - plus we wouldn't have a huge police bill as posh people don't fight.

Win-win.

12Minutes from the Meeting Empty Re: Minutes from the Meeting Thu Jun 20 2013, 11:09

Reebok Trotter

Reebok Trotter
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Natasha Whittam wrote:As I've said time and time again, they are completely missing where the money is.

Ditch the common fan who pays for a ticket and maybe a pint or a pie - go 100% corporate and have everyone having a 5 course meal with alcohol, let people make a day of it. While they wouldn't fit nearly as many people in, the average spend would be massive - plus we wouldn't have a huge police bill as posh people don't fight.

Win-win.

Ditch the common fan? Shocked It's the common fans who spend their earnings following Wanderers, year in and year out.

13Minutes from the Meeting Empty Re: Minutes from the Meeting Thu Jun 20 2013, 11:14

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Reebok Trotter wrote:
Ditch the common fan? Shocked It's the common fans who spend their earnings following Wanderers, year in and year out.  

And I'm not arguing that fact - but once they've bought a ticket how many people actually spend more than £10 inside the ground or clubshop? Not many.

If BWFC actually want to make money they need to give up on the common fan and go where the money is - rich folk.

Imagine the ground 100% corporate, everyone behind a glass screen keeping warm in January with a glass of wine in their hand, eating a decent meal.

14Minutes from the Meeting Empty Re: Minutes from the Meeting Thu Jun 20 2013, 11:18

Reebok Trotter

Reebok Trotter
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

You would never get the ground 100% corporate. Most football fans are not made of money. If the club went 100% corporate it would go bust. There simply isn't enough wealthy people out there who support Wanderers.

15Minutes from the Meeting Empty Re: Minutes from the Meeting Thu Jun 20 2013, 11:49

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Reebok Trotter wrote:You would never get the ground 100% corporate. Most football fans are not made of money. If the club went 100% corporate it would go bust. There simply isn't enough wealthy people out there who support Wanderers.

Who cares whether they support Bolton! This is about getting local businesses to wine and dine their clients at The Reebok, not who has a Norpig from 1989.

16Minutes from the Meeting Empty Re: Minutes from the Meeting Thu Jun 20 2013, 12:30

observer


Andy Walker
Andy Walker

Natasha Whittam wrote:As I've said time and time again, they are completely missing where the money is.

Ditch the common fan who pays for a ticket and maybe a pint or a pie - go 100% corporate and have everyone having a 5 course meal with alcohol, let people make a day of it. While they wouldn't fit nearly as many people in, the average spend would be massive - plus we wouldn't have a huge police bill as posh people don't fight.

Win-win.

Since you have now chosen to go the American way, you might as well up the price of tickets to 200 quid or more for the best seats in the house.  Every stadium in America has gone this way...  and you are correct as the average person can't afford it, but the profits have skyrocketed for the owners.  There are also tax incentives for changes in the stadium to accommodate the corporate seats.  Not that I agree with this philosophy, but Natasha's suggestion is reality in the States. 

17Minutes from the Meeting Empty Re: Minutes from the Meeting Thu Jun 20 2013, 13:21

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Natasha Whittam wrote:
Reebok Trotter wrote:You would never get the ground 100% corporate. Most football fans are not made of money. If the club went 100% corporate it would go bust. There simply isn't enough wealthy people out there who support Wanderers.

Who cares whether they support Bolton! This is about getting local businesses to wine and dine their clients at The Reebok, not who has a Norpig from 1989.
 so its you who's has me locked in the cellar all these years with just a laptop for company! Please someone come and release me from Nat Fritzel, i can't stand the sexual humiliation anymore especially the Nuggy facemask

18Minutes from the Meeting Empty Re: Minutes from the Meeting Thu Jun 20 2013, 13:26

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Norpig wrote:
 so its you who's has me locked in the cellar all these years with just a laptop for company! Please someone come and release me from Nat Fritzel, i can't stand the sexual humiliation anymore especially the Nuggy facemask

I have news for you, that was his real face. I get angry.

19Minutes from the Meeting Empty Re: Minutes from the Meeting Thu Jun 20 2013, 13:59

Soul Kitchen

Soul Kitchen
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo

N, you are emulating a pillock again, coming out with stupid statements just to draw attention to yourself. If you choose to align yourself with the likes of beckhams stick insect then fine, just remember that once again you make yourself look a right tw@t by moving to stop the "plebs" from going to the Bok. What's ironic is that despite your delusions to the contrary, you're a scrote same as what you make us out to be! Your bullshit just masks the fact!!Very Happy

20Minutes from the Meeting Empty Re: Minutes from the Meeting Thu Jun 20 2013, 15:12

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Soul Kitchen wrote:N, you are emulating a pillock again, coming out with stupid statements just to draw attention to yourself. If you choose to align yourself with the likes of beckhams stick insect then fine, just remember that once again you make yourself look a right tw@t by moving to stop the "plebs" from going to the Bok. What's ironic is that despite your delusions to the contrary, you're a scrote same as what you make us out to be! Your bullshit just masks the fact!!Very Happy

You fell for this line again SK?
Do you really think Nat believes that shite? She is after all a former Preston Business Person of the Year, so obviously she'll know that corporate entertainment requires top facilities and top acts - neither of which we currently have. Clearly a wind up.

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