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aaron_bwfc

aaron_bwfc
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Dougie Freedman has appealed for everybody connected to Wanderers to adopt a realistic mindset as they enter the new year sitting 18th in the Championship.

Frustration is growing on the terraces after the Whites failed to make the progress expected during December, taking just seven points from a possible 21.

“We have to realise very quickly where we are and what we are trying to achieve and build towards that – not where we used to be,”

“We have to make sure everyone understands that. We are a club that has got to start from the beginning again and make sure the people who come into the building are good enough and aspire to getting up to the next league."


http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/10905282.Dougie_Freedman_says_it_is_time_for_Bolton_Wanderers_to_have_a_reality_check/?ref=ar

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@aaron_bwfc wrote:Dougie Freedman has appealed for everybody connected to Wanderers to adopt a realistic mindset as they enter the new year sitting 18th in the Championship.

Frustration is growing on the terraces after the Whites failed to make the progress expected during December, taking just seven points from a possible 21.

“We have to realise very quickly where we are and what we are trying to achieve and build towards that – not where we used to be,”

“We have to make sure everyone understands that. We are a club that has got to start from the beginning again and make sure the people who come into the building are good enough and aspire to getting up to the next league."



Weren't we 18th when Dougie took over?

More than a year in charge and nothing has changed. Resign you clown.

doffcocker

doffcocker
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
I've heard this a million times off a thousand different managers.

We need to realise that...we used to be good, we're not any more, we need to start again, and it's gonna take time.

Boring.

Guest


Guest
Cheeky twat!

I reckon this is the start of the inevitable decline into all out war between him and us, like we had with Megson.

I reckon he'll use "the P word" by about mid-February.

BoltonTillIDie

BoltonTillIDie
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
What's the P word?

Boggersbelief

Boggersbelief
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Plan??

Guest


Guest
No, not "Plan", (he can't even spell it), I mean "Pathetic".

Boggersbelief

Boggersbelief
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
If he does I'll call him a ginger prick. Just like i did with megson

Soul Kitchen

Soul Kitchen
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
I'm taking a reality check Duggy, and that is the fare on offer at the moment is pretty shite. Furthermore I don't expect it to improve in the long term with you in charge never mind the near future. I wonder if that is realistic enough then perhaps I should look at saving my money next season?
It would present a clearer picture if you practiced what you'd have us believe re. youngsters.

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Boggersbelief wrote:If he does I'll call him a ginger prick. Just like i did with megson

That's what came to my mind with Breadman's P word.

terenceanne

terenceanne
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
Remind me again.....didn't we survive in the Prem under Mugson.....

On paper he's the best manager we had since BSM.

Guest


Guest
British School of Motoring....?

When were they in charge?

Although I did once see Stig Tofting driving up Halliwell Rd in a Metro with a red cone on top of it, so I guess it makes sense now....

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Breadman wrote:British School of Motoring....?

When were they in charge?

Although I did once see Stig Tofting driving up Halliwell Rd in a Metro with a red cone on top of it, so I guess it makes sense now....

 lol! *BSA

Boggersbelief

Boggersbelief
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
It was only a matter of time before megson relegated us, he also chose to fuck up our chances in the UEFA. Ginger prick

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Megson and Coyle weren't focussed on getting the club back on to a sustainable financial footing. They spent money we didn't have on players to keep us up and (somewhat ironically as it turned out) to keep the fans happy. It seems funny now that both of them tried to court popularity, although TBF to Megson he did give up and that one not long into his tenure.
Neither had the bottle to come out and say that we need to cut spending and start again from scratch or the club will go tits up.
It's not a popular message because we know what it means in terms of what we're likely to see on the pitch.

One thing in Dougie's favour though - he's man enough to take on the shit job.

I really expect to see the club's finances turning around at last, although that will be hindered by the interest we're paying the owner (10% p.a. I believe) which on debts of over £100m gives him £10million+ a year which is a tidy little earner for him. That's £10 million a year we're not spending on players.
With that kind of return in this economic climate I'd be amazed if Eddie would ever consider selling the club even if a billionaire offered to invest heavily.
People say Eddie is a fan and he's loaning the club money out of the goodness of his heart, but whilst he's taking so much out of the club his motives have to be questioned.
If I was cynical about his motives I'd suggest that he allowed the club to get into so much debt so that he could feather his nest at BWFCs expense.

So finally we get a manager prepared to bite the bullet.
Dougie must know that he won't be popular taking a hard financial line so I don't think he'll be too upset by the comments he gets.

For me, I can accept a transitional period, but only if we see a serious reduction in debt, survive in the Championship and see some evidence that the U21s are making progress by the end of the season.

If Dougie manages to put an end to the club's spiralling debt, a couple of seasons of makeshift teams and the resultant dubious performances will be well worth it. If he doesn't, we're f***** anyway.

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
yes we are in a mess financially but this team should be way higher in the League than 18th with the players DF has available, the problems are of his own making to a certain extent. Far too negative and too much chopping and changing.

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I do think Dougie should be getting more out of this set players but frankly it just feels like the rot has set in, It's the mentality now that losing is acceptable.  The problem for Dougie is expectation at an all time high, and money at an all time low.  

Lets just pretend we sacked Dougie and got in a lets say Malky McKay (wouldn't be able to most likely but hey ho), he takes us up, we have literally nothing to spend so would do very very very well to survive and would most likely go down.

again the expectation would be that we'd "piss the league" likely wouldn't and the calls for Malky to go would be almost instant.

and thats even pretending he's an instant success initially. The likelihood is that any new manager would get that "bounce" and then level off, maybe we'd sniff the playoffs but so what? I really don't know what success looks like to fans now considering the finances.

Guest


Guest
I don't think anyone would have a problem if Gartside, Invisible Eddie and Freedman held a press conference and said:

 "Look....we're fucked. We've no money and the debt's spiralling, so we need to make some big changes otherwise we're going bust. Yes, it's THAT bad folks."

"Forget promotion and we might actually go down if we're not careful, so bear with us. We're getting rid of all the big earners because we can no longer afford to pay them, so as their contracts expire, we'll be moving 'em out."

"From here on in, it's all going to be about youth players and loanees (who we won't be trying to sign permanently because we've no cash), so don't expect anything miraculous to happen.
There will be some wins but equally, there will be some losses."

"It will take time, but eventually we will have the club back on an even footing and then we can start thinking about the future."

But they won't.

Freedman will still spout his shite after games, Gartside will carry on sitting in his plush office, phoning his other Chairmen mates to talk about how important and clever they are and as for Eddie....well, I think he lives in a box of soil on the Isle of Man and only comes out at night.

We could cope with low expectation if the people at the club stopped treating us like kids and actually told us the truth for a change.

And we might just start respecting them a bit more....

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
i think most Bolton fans would expect us to be challenging for a play off spot not languishing down in 18th, which is where we were when he came. I just don't see him turning it round, finance available or not.

He makes out he is a deep thinker and a tactical genius but i am yet to witness anything new and original from him. He never changes the formation, only makes a substitution when it goes tits up or to try and defend a lead which we all know we can never do.

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Norpig wrote:yes we are in a mess financially but this team should be way higher in the League than 18th with the players DF has available, the problems are of his own making to a certain extent. Far too negative and too much chopping and changing.

Totally agree that DFs tactics and selections are often questionable but his tactics aren't the only reason we're in this position.
I think our players aren't exceptional in this division despite the media hype and ridiculous prices paid for some of them by previous managers - we would be far higher up the league if it wasn't for individual errors - of which there have been far too many at both ends of the pitch.
Before Mavies came back and Moritz started to show a bit of class I'd say our team was bog standard at best - they are journeymen and kids.
Totally disagree that "this team should be higher in the League" - they're just not that good and have no divine right to be there.

Whilst we rebuild, the only good things that can come out of it are to survive and reduce the debt so we get back to a solid financial footing and have a chance of pushing on from there.

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
not a divine right but i would say we have a squad that is capable of a lot more.

Before the season started we were one of the favourites for promotion at the bookies and from pundits so they must have seen something there to suggest this unless it was just based entirely on our finish to last season.

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
This team should definitely be higher in the league - the lack of spirit is definitely the main reason why we are looking down rather than up.

Even with this awful team, a manager with a bit of motivation could still get these ponces playing.

Are Ipswich any better than us? On paper we look far stronger - but they have a motivator and we have Dougie. Hence why they're looking at promotion.

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Breadman wrote:I don't think anyone would have a problem if Gartside, Invisible Eddie and Freedman held a press conference and said:

 "Look....we're fucked. We've no money and the debt's spiralling, so we need to make some big changes otherwise we're going bust. Yes, it's THAT bad folks."

"Forget promotion and we might actually go down if we're not careful, so bear with us. We're getting rid of all the big earners because we can no longer afford to pay them, so as their contracts expire, we'll be moving 'em out."

"From here on in, it's all going to be about youth players and loanees (who we won't be trying to sign permanently because we've no cash), so don't expect anything miraculous to happen.
There will be some wins but equally, there will be some losses."

"It will take time, but eventually we will have the club back on an even footing and then we can start thinking about the future."

But they won't.

Freedman will still spout his shite after games, Gartside will carry on sitting in his plush office, phoning his other Chairmen mates to talk about how important and clever they are and as for Eddie....well, I think he lives in a box of soil on the Isle of Man and only comes out at night.

We could cope with low expectation if the people at the club stopped treating us like kids and actually told us the truth for a change.

And we might just start respecting them a bit more....

I think this is the crux of the matter Breadman - you've hit the nail on the head IMO.

All those messages are exactly what should be said - because I think it sums up the situation we're in. However, I only came to that conclusion by reading between the lines and watching what was said and done - nobody has come out and said it so concisely.

However, there are dangers in being so honest:
* it would completely undermine the current player's confidence if the manager said they're just there to make up the numbers. The manager has a responsibility to keep morale up.
* it would undermine any negotiating position we have in the transfer market. When we try to buy or loan players, other clubs would know exactly where we are at and would have the upper hand from the start.

So the club's hands are tied. They might THINK it, they may even talk about it openly amongst themselves and everyone else may actually know it - but they can't come out and say it publicly.

All they can do is play the media game. Which is why you shouldn't read so much into the statements and press releases that come out of the club.

Angry Dad

Angry Dad
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
Dougie is a cock.

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@Angry Dad wrote:Dougie is a cock.

Howdo, AD.

You back or posting from over there?

Angry Dad

Angry Dad
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
Breadman wrote:
@Angry Dad wrote:Dougie is a cock.

Howdo, AD.

You back or posting from over there?
Hey Bread i'm back dazzling fukazz wi mi tan but seriously this counties weather is not on ffs its orrible here, i want to go back Crying or Very sad

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Angry Dad wrote:
Breadman wrote:
@Angry Dad wrote:Dougie is a cock.

Howdo, AD.

You back or posting from over there?
Hey Bread i'm back dazzling fukazz wi mi tan but seriously this counties weather is not on ffs its orrible here, i want to go back Crying or Very sad

 lol!  Welcome back AD!

Angry Dad

Angry Dad
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
@karlypants wrote:
@Angry Dad wrote:
Breadman wrote:
@Angry Dad wrote:Dougie is a cock.

Howdo, AD.

You back or posting from over there?
Hey Bread i'm back dazzling fukazz wi mi tan but seriously this counties weather is not on ffs its orrible here, i want to go back Crying or Very sad

 lol!  Welcome back AD!
Hey hows shit KP.

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Angry Dad wrote:
@karlypants wrote:
@Angry Dad wrote:
Breadman wrote:
@Angry Dad wrote:Dougie is a cock.

Howdo, AD.

You back or posting from over there?
Hey Bread i'm back dazzling fukazz wi mi tan but seriously this counties weather is not on ffs its orrible here, i want to go back Crying or Very sad

 lol!  Welcome back AD!
Hey hows shit KP.

Not bad AD, hows tricks?  

You and the Mrs ok? Smile 

Angry Dad

Angry Dad
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
@karlypants wrote:
@Angry Dad wrote:
@karlypants wrote:
@Angry Dad wrote:
Breadman wrote:
@Angry Dad wrote:Dougie is a cock.

Howdo, AD.

You back or posting from over there?
Hey Bread i'm back dazzling fukazz wi mi tan but seriously this counties weather is not on ffs its orrible here, i want to go back Crying or Very sad

 lol!  Welcome back AD!
Hey hows shit KP.

Not bad AD, hows tricks?  

You and the Mrs ok? Smile 
yeah we are great.

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