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Dreadful defence for both goals we gave away.

Goal 1 - attacker stood on the penalty spot completely unmarked as the ball was played in.

Goal 2 - midfielder run on to ball played into acres of space at the edge of the penalry area.

Basic, basic defensive errors.

You used to be taught to pick up runners and mark players in the area when I was in junior school - and that was 50 years ago!

I think that Hutton was partly at fault for the first one as he was too wide (or the midfield for not tracking back) and the CBs got split trying to mark 3 attackers.  The second was was a little unlucky as Ream was closing down and the shot went through his legs - similar to Juke's for us.
Knight's goal looked like a flick on - I'd be amazed if he intended to go for goal (not that I care).
I'd like to have seen Beckford's contribution as the radio commentary implied he was pants. Maybe he'll click with Juke if they ever get a chance to develop a partnership?

No offence intended but wtf are you talking about?

First, Hutton plays right back - the first goal came down our left side.

Second, the last line of defenders deal with what is in front of them - they can't afford to leave men free in the danger zone.

Third, there was only TWO attackers in the box when the ball was knocked in - we had TWO defenders - the danger had to be dealt with then - not just in case one of the attackers laid the ball off to the midfielder about to break into the penalty box.

Ream was simply marking space and was at fault - he should have been very much closer to the goal scorer. Medo I think it probably was, was at fault for letting a player run past him without going with him - although this did not directly effect the goal being scored.

The second goal was nothing to do with Ream closing the shot down and everything to do with the eventual goal scorer running unchallenged into ACRES of space on the edge of the penalty area. If he had a man on he simply would not have had the time to collect the ball, compose himself and then get a shot off.

What's the point of playing two defensive mids if they don't defend the key area of midfield - ie the space in front of the penalty area?

Poor, poor defending and frankly I'm surprised I even need to spell out what was wrong - it's there for everyone to see if they had a mind too.

Didn't you see the runner arriving on the penalty spot from midfield? Bottom line is that 2 CBs were faced with 3 attackers. Ream was in no man's land marking space at the front post and Knight went to the guy at the far post.
So if Hutton had tucked in and taken the far post, Knight would have been free to close down Miller OR Medo/Spearing could have tracked Miller and the runner. Either way it was a case of everyone leaving it for the 2 CBs to deal with.
I agree with your comments re the second goal but it did go through Ream's legs. IMO the defensive mids could have done something about preventing both goals.

Ream should have picked Miller up for the first goal, it's not like he's having to drop to pick up any runners beyond him Miller was the only man he needed to worry about. In his defence though once again Baptiste didn't get close enough and let the cross in. He was dreadful for that at Derby and he seems to be struggling at the moment. 

Second goal's pathetic, Ream tries to get out to him but god knows what Spearing and Medo were doing if they're in there to hold they need to be behind the ball or at least tracking runners.

I think Ream had half an eye on Baptiste's man and was thinking about going out in case the guy ran into the box instead of crossing. Collective fault IMO, but the mids could have done a lot more for both goals.

Lusty. No offence but look at the video again!

Freeze it 19 seconds and look at the picture,

The ball as been delivered and as almost reached the goal scorer.

The midfielder that you are so concerned about as just got inside the penalty area.

One second on - at 20 secs the ball is already on its way into the goal and the runner still isn't anywhere near where the ball as been played.

He is therefore at least five or six yards away from the play at best!

Are you honestly telling me that you think a defender should not be marking a striker on the penalty spot because of a concern about a player several yards away when a ball is already being knocked in towards the striker???

I've played more years than I'd like to think as a defender and I can tell you from experience that you ALWAYS deal with the primary danger first.

I'll put it simply.

There were only TWO Yeovil players inside the box when the ball was played - check out the video if you doubt me - and TWO defenders. The defenders simply had to mark their man - that is their job. It was someone elses job to pick up the runner - not theirs.

As it happens the runner wasn't even a factor in the goal - the ball was clearly nowhere near to him when the cross came in. If Ream had challenged the attacker and he had layed it off to the runner - then maybe he would have been a factor in the second stage of play - but as a defender you deal with the first problem first - ie not letting an attacker have a free shot on goal from the penalty spot!!!

To be honest based on where the runner was on 19 and 20 seconds and how TV pictures 'shorten' the depth of what you see on screen I seriously doubt the runner had any impact on Reams positioning - it was simply rank bad defending on his part.

wanderlust wrote:I think Ream had half an eye on Baptiste's man and was thinking about going out in case the guy ran into the box instead of crossing. Collective fault IMO, but the mids could have done a lot more for both goals.

What???

You would have a centre half with a striker unmarked on the penalty spot behind him be more concerned about running out to the edge of the penalty box just in case the full back got skinned???

I think one of us two clearly has no concept whatsoever about what a defenders job is.

Sluffy wrote:Lusty.  No offence but look at the video again!

Freeze it 19 seconds and look at the picture,

The ball as been delivered and as almost reached the goal scorer.

The midfielder that you are so concerned about as just got inside the penalty area.

One second on - at 20 secs the ball is already on its way into the goal and the runner still isn't anywhere near where the ball as been played.

He is therefore at least five or six yards away from the play at best!

Are you honestly telling me that you think a defender should not be marking a striker on the penalty spot because of a concern about a player several yards away when a ball is already being knocked in towards the striker???

I've played more years than I'd like to think as a defender and I can tell you from experience that you ALWAYS deal with the primary danger first.

I'll put it simply.  

There were only TWO Yeovil players inside the box when the ball was played - check out the video if you doubt me - and TWO defenders.  The defenders simply had to mark their man - that is their job.  It was someone elses job to pick up the runner - not theirs.

As it happens the runner wasn't even a factor in the goal - the ball was clearly nowhere near to him when the cross came in.  If Ream had challenged the attacker and he had layed it off to the runner - then maybe he would have been a factor in the second stage of play - but as a defender you deal with the first problem first - ie not letting an attacker have a free shot on goal from the penalty spot!!!

To be honest based on where the runner was on 19 and 20 seconds and how TV pictures 'shorten' the depth of what you see on screen I seriously doubt the runner had any impact on Reams positioning - it was simply rank bad defending on his part.

Really can't be arsed to argue about it Sluffy as it's a discussion about what we surmise was going on in the various players minds and how it affected their positioning.

Defending is about discipline.

You have a job to do and it becomes automatic.

We are talking about professional footballers paid well to do their jobs.

Believe me (or not) there is no 'thinking' involved from a centre back when he is defending an attack and he has his 'man' to mark - who happens to be stood a couple of yards away - with only another attacker and defender actually in the penalty box with you both!

Quick message for the back four:

The truth of the matter is, Miller was running rings around Ream all afternoon, other than a short period in the second half. He's a big man, very good on the ball. Not only that, but he wandered from the wings and back again on a regular basis, finding space to move into all afternoon. I think it would have been better if he was man-marked by someone bigger than Ream, such as Knight, but it never happened.

gloswhite wrote:The truth of the matter is, Miller was running rings around Ream all afternoon, other than a short period in the second half. He's a big man, very good on the ball. Not only that, but he wandered from the wings and back again on a regular basis, finding space to move into all afternoon. I think it would have been better if he was man-marked by someone bigger than Ream, such as Knight, but it never happened.

Glos is quite right. Miller was a bloody handful all afternoon. It's a good job he missed the penalty or we would have been in the mire. He was too strong for Ream tbh.

I miss Dawson... the qb of the defense.  Clueless since he has left.

Unacceptable defending for both goals, the space between the 2 centre backs for the 1st goal was shocking. As for the 2nd, well that's what happens when nobody closes down quick enough.

Good to pull it back from 2 down but from what I heard on the radio i'd say Yeovil more than deserved the 3 points.

DF is delighted his theatre workshops are so successful for the two Yeovil goals.
"I thought the lads showed just how much they have come on since doing  my theatre workshops as part of training, they stood perfectly still showing the correct time as human sun dials you could set your watch by them"