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doffcocker
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wanderlust
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karlypants
boltonbonce
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1 Are we a big club? Mon Mar 31 2014, 13:02
BoltonTillIDie
Nat Lofthouse
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2 Re: Are we a big club? Mon Mar 31 2014, 13:09
Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
I'm not trying to be a dick (I promise) but i find these debates so pointless and childish, see them on twitter all the time.
"yeh bt we tuk 4k to brum mt ur lot tuk 400, small time cnuts"
Do people really take up their time worrying about this?
"yeh bt we tuk 4k to brum mt ur lot tuk 400, small time cnuts"
Do people really take up their time worrying about this?
3 Re: Are we a big club? Mon Mar 31 2014, 13:12
boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
What does 'Big' mean? Crowds? Finance? History? Trophies? Does it even matter? We're a big club in our eyes,and that's all that matters.
4 Re: Are we a big club? Mon Mar 31 2014, 13:17
karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
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5 Re: Are we a big club? Mon Mar 31 2014, 13:23
Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Hipster_Nebula wrote:
Do people really take up their time worrying about this?
I spend each evening between 7-8pm worrying about this.
6 Re: Are we a big club? Mon Mar 31 2014, 13:37
JAH
Tony Kelly
Natasha Whittam wrote:Hipster_Nebula wrote:
Do people really take up their time worrying about this?
I spend each evening between 7-8pm worrying about this.
Are you using worrying as a euphemism for something else?
7 Re: Are we a big club? Mon Mar 31 2014, 14:23
Guest
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I'll address the elephant in the room:
No, we're not.
We've never won the league, we've only played in Europe twice in our history, our crowds aren't the biggest and we haven't won the FA Cup for 56 years.
So no, we're definitely not a "big" club.
No, we're not.
We've never won the league, we've only played in Europe twice in our history, our crowds aren't the biggest and we haven't won the FA Cup for 56 years.
So no, we're definitely not a "big" club.
8 Re: Are we a big club? Mon Mar 31 2014, 14:30
wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
We've traded on past glories for a long time and whilst it's nice to look back at our history, it doesn't mean we're anything other than 17th in the second tier now - which is about right IMO.Breadman wrote:I'll address the elephant in the room:
No, we're not.
We've never won the league, we've only played in Europe twice in our history, our crowds aren't the biggest and we haven't won the FA Cup for 56 years.
So no, we're definitely not a "big" club.
That's not to say we couldn't be a "big club" again, but it's a fair old way from here. Still, we're working on it.
Historic club? - yes.
Famous club? yes.
"Big" club? - no way.
9 Re: Are we a big club? Mon Mar 31 2014, 14:32
boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
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10 Re: Are we a big club? Mon Mar 31 2014, 21:18
terenceanne
El Hadji Diouf
We may be a big club but we have had small time management for many years now.
Darkside Out.
Darkside Out.
11 Re: Are we a big club? Mon Mar 31 2014, 21:27
aaron_bwfc
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We're not a big club, a club with a lot of history no doubt but for me to a big club you have to have some of the following:
- Big fan base
- Won a lot of trophies in recent years
- Quite a bit of money to spend.
Sadly I can't raise a case on any of the above for us.
- Big fan base
- Won a lot of trophies in recent years
- Quite a bit of money to spend.
Sadly I can't raise a case on any of the above for us.
12 Re: Are we a big club? Mon Mar 31 2014, 21:34
Keegan
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Breadman wrote:I'll address the elephant in the room:
No, we're not.
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13 Re: Are we a big club? Mon Mar 31 2014, 22:01
doffcocker
Ivan Campo
It's all relative.
Compared to the majority of clubs in the football league, we're a big club. Compared to the likes of the big four Lancs clubs, we're a small club.
As others have said, it's a shallow debate, but people always get drawn into it.
Compared to the majority of clubs in the football league, we're a big club. Compared to the likes of the big four Lancs clubs, we're a small club.
As others have said, it's a shallow debate, but people always get drawn into it.
14 Re: Are we a big club? Tue Apr 01 2014, 21:30
terenceanne
El Hadji Diouf
We should be consistently a botom half team in the Prem ..... which we were for ten years. That along with a cup run every so often is our lot in life.
Now all that seems a long time ago. Only three seasons ago we were away at Liverpool and hoping to nick a draw....today we are away at Hudderfield and still hoping to nick a draw.
Times-they-are-changing.
Selling the club is the only answer that I can see.....to immediately remove the debt, pump money in for players and of course the instant demse of the current management.
Now all that seems a long time ago. Only three seasons ago we were away at Liverpool and hoping to nick a draw....today we are away at Hudderfield and still hoping to nick a draw.
Times-they-are-changing.
Selling the club is the only answer that I can see.....to immediately remove the debt, pump money in for players and of course the instant demse of the current management.
15 Re: Are we a big club? Tue Apr 01 2014, 21:43
Reebok Trotter
Nat Lofthouse
terenceanne wrote:
Selling the club is the only answer that I can see.....to immediately remove the debt, pump money in for players and of course the instant demse of the current management.
Better the devil you know. Selling our club to the highest bidder might solve our short term financial woes but if somebody like Vinny Tan bought our club I would not be renewing my ST. ( Mind you, the current owners at City have done a decent job but they seem to be the exception rather than the rule.)
16 Re: Are we a big club? Tue Apr 01 2014, 23:10
karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
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I do quite agree with this, many foreign owners don't seem to give a shit the same.Reebok Trotter wrote:terenceanne wrote:
Selling the club is the only answer that I can see.....to immediately remove the debt, pump money in for players and of course the instant demse of the current management.
Better the devil you know. Selling our club to the highest bidder might solve our short term financial woes but if somebody like Vinny Tan bought our club I would not be renewing my ST. ( Mind you, the current owners at City have done a decent job but they seem to be the exception rather than the rule.)
I quite like our club being owned by someone English even if we don't have all that dosh to spend!
If we do achieve success again, it will feel like we have really earned it and not just thrown a billion quid at it to get instant success.
17 Re: Are we a big club? Wed Apr 02 2014, 20:49
terenceanne
El Hadji Diouf
karlypants wrote:I do quite agree with this, many foreign owners don't seem to give a shit the same.Reebok Trotter wrote:terenceanne wrote:
Selling the club is the only answer that I can see.....to immediately remove the debt, pump money in for players and of course the instant demse of the current management.
Better the devil you know. Selling our club to the highest bidder might solve our short term financial woes but if somebody like Vinny Tan bought our club I would not be renewing my ST. ( Mind you, the current owners at City have done a decent job but they seem to be the exception rather than the rule.)
I quite like our club being owned by someone English even if we don't have all that dosh to spend!
If we do achieve success again, it will feel like we have really earned it and not just thrown a billion quid at it to get instant success.
That's too much of a Generalization to say foreign owners don't care.
It's just time for Eddie and Phil and the rest of the backroom gang to move out. Obvious financial incompetance being the number one reason. Players wages are not the main source of the loss on our books ....that just gets the publicity.
Eddie himslf is getting on a bit now ......who takes over when he kicks the bucket or get too sick to pay attention.....not that he does now IMO.
18 Re: Are we a big club? Wed Apr 02 2014, 21:31
Guest
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What sane billionaire would want to take on a club with debts like ours? If it was to happen then great but it's complete fantasy to be honest.
19 Re: Are we a big club? Wed Apr 02 2014, 21:46
Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
bwfc1874 wrote:What sane billionaire would want to take on a club with debts like ours? If it was to happen then great but it's complete fantasy to be honest.
Our debts would be small to a billionaire.
20 Re: Are we a big club? Wed Apr 02 2014, 22:06
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Taking on a £168 million debt before you even start investing in the team is not an attractive business proposition. Surely the Preston business woman of the year would know that?
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