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Sluffy

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Funny how they can crow about getting constraints over someone else's property (getting an ACV over the ground owned by Anderson and Holdsworth) but don't make a dickie bird whatsoever on their website about sneakily taking people's £10's for renewed membership.

There is a mention on their twitter site but it is easy to miss it amongst their daily barrage of telling us which ex-player's birthday it is today - as though anybody actually gives a fig!

Yes they've put something on their Facebook site - but what if your not a Facebook user???

I expect they emailed all their members a reminder before they started taking their money though?

:bomb:

To remind people the ST said some months back that they waived renewal fees (clearly because they didn't want to be embarrassed by the fall in membership following their first abject year of being), then did a sort of U-turn by saying that you could still pay if you want to though!

It seems though that several disenchanted ST members have found that renewal as been done automatically from the bank details they gave them (remember how they were hacked quite easily a month or two back!) and are demanding this money is returned!

It is obviously up to each individual if they want to continue paying their £10 to the ST but from what comments have been made on their FB and twitter accounts, it does seem to look like they are in the minority by a long, long way, so far.

I had to laugh at the comment from ST Board Member Mike Smith replying to one of the commenters on the FB -

The trust can't cancel payment mandates, that has to be done by the member who set it up....plus a large majority of members have expressed a desire to carry on with their subscriptions...let me guess...you personally haven't inadvertently paid £10, but you thought you'd stick your 2 penneth worth in anyway..?


Good customer relations there then!

Very Happy

The ST's FB site here -

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You may want to check your bank accounts to see if money has been taken from you already.

Remember to cancel your payment mandate with your bank if you don't want to keep contributing to the ST as I'm sure they are counting on people not bothering because it might be a hassle to do so via your internet banking account.

If payment already has been taken, contact the ST for your refund.

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
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Sluffy

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Maybe to you Bonce but not to those who have been on to the ST seeking their money back and an apology.

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
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It was bad form not to send out a reminder that the money was due,but 'smooth,well oiled machine',isn't a phrase that could be reasonably used in regard to the ST.

Chairmanda

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Andy Walker
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'[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]We are aware that several members have been charged for another years membership. Statement and Apology' tweet from ST

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
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That's at least £70! Where will it all end?

Sluffy

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boltonbonce wrote:It was bad form not to send out a reminder that the money was due,but 'smooth,well oiled machine',isn't a phrase that could be reasonably used in regard to the ST.

How can it not be when all those people sent out their CV's offering their time and skills to help the ST but the only ones who were picked seemed to be mates of the ST founders???

:bomb:

Even as recently as TWO WEEKS ago some bloke (John Cowburn) offered to help as he was a retired Wanderers fan with time to give.

They (the ST) never even bothered to reply to him!

See the ST Facebook link above and look under the comments in the item below the apology.

Rolling Eyes

Sluffy

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boltonbonce wrote:That's at least £70! Where will it all end?

It's going to be a hell of a lot more than that when people notice the money has been taken from their accounts without them being aware of it!!!

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
They did in fact email me a reminder,but it was on the same day as my payment was taken. Still,I don't mind them having a tenner a year.
I do mind forking out for a Golden Gamble ticket. I'm determined to win on that bugger before I die.

Norpig

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John McGinlay
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i didn't set up a direct debit, i did by bank transfer so they don't have my bank details, i must have had a premonition last year that it would be a waste of money

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Home and away shirts now £14.99 with production of your ST membership card. Offer ends close of shop Saturday.

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
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Norpig wrote:i didn't set up a direct debit, i did by bank transfer so they don't have my bank details
Isn't this the point?

Surely they could only take the money if the customer had set up a DD or SO and if the customer did that they must have expected to make further payments anyway, so only those who were expecting to renew - and those that had forgotten they'd made an arrangement - would have been charged n'est pas?

Who in their right mind would set up a DD for a one-off payment?

Sluffy

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wanderlust wrote:
Norpig wrote:i didn't set up a direct debit, i did by bank transfer so they don't have my bank details
Isn't this the point?

Surely they could only take the money if the customer had set up a DD or SO and if the customer did that they must have expected to make further payments anyway, so only those who were expecting to renew - and those that had forgotten they'd made an arrangement - would have been charged n'est pas?

Who in their right mind would set up a DD for a one-off payment?

The point is that it was the ST and not the individual who decided AFTER the DD, SO or PayPal were set up, to SCRAP the renewal charge.

Yes people could still VOLUNTARY pay but the ST should not be TAKING money under the CHANGED circumstances without the individuals say so.



boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
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Just had an email from PayPal saying the 'Bolton Wanderers Supporters Society'(?) have suspended my automatic payments.

Sluffy

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I think they have got themselves into a mess over this.

What they should have done imo, is when they said they would waive membership fees for this year, they should have sought positive feedback from those wishing to continue paying anyway and cancelling all the rest of the other members debit transactions - just like they've done with you today.

In that way they could only collect the monies 'pledged' to them for this year and no others.

I think someone took a bad decision to not do this in the hope that most people will forget about 'free' membership and not bother that a further £10 had been taken from them.

For an organisation with 'Trust' in their title this would obviously be the wrong thing to have done.

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
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PayPal have informed me that my recurring payment to the ST has been reactivated.

Bollotom2014

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Tony Kelly
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Just had an email from PayPal saying the 'Bolton Wanderers Supporters Society'(?) have suspended my automatic payments.
PayPal have informed me that my recurring payment to the ST has been reactivated.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] In out, in out, shake it all about. Sounds almost like it could be Wet Spam. 
They didn't take mine but I did mine by bank transfer so one up to me.

Norpig

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John McGinlay
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i'm so glad i didn't set up a direct debit now, they won't see another penny from me

Sluffy

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Bollotom2014 wrote:Just had an email from PayPal saying the 'Bolton Wanderers Supporters Society'(?) have suspended my automatic payments.
PayPal have informed me that my recurring payment to the ST has been reactivated.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] In out, in out, shake it all about. Sounds almost like it could be Wet Spam. 
They didn't take mine but I did mine by bank transfer so one up to me.

Registered at 46 Broom Way, Westhoughton, BL5 3TZ.

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Home of Ian James Bridge (Chair of the ST).

Also registered address of Quantum Environment Design Limited with Mr Bridge and his wife being the sole directors, which went into voluntary liquidation in March 2010, owing over £86,000 (after liquidation) to its creditors including Her Majesty's Revenue and customs.

See Filing history, Return of final meeting, 21st Dec, 2009 -

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Also registered address of The Cryocentre Limited, with Mr Bridge and his wife being the only directors, which was compulsory struck off in Feb, 2010, just one month before Quantum Environment Design Limited was liquidated owing over £86,000.

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Also registered address of Sappari Limited, with Mr Bridge and his wife being the only directors, which was compulsory liquidated on the 18th March, 2016 following a court order following a request from the creditor Her Majesty's Custom and excise.

See Insolvency, Compulsory Liquidation -

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Also registered address of Bridge Consultancy Services Ltd with Mr Bridge and his wife being the sole directors, which is in the process of being wound up, with the Liquidators statement dated 24th November, 2016 stating that there are debts of nearly £200,000 and no assets available at present.

In the liquidators report states that there is an overdrawn Directors loan with a book value of £50,000 and it would seem by the last three annual Liquidator's statements that a sum of money is being met by the Director of £6,000 contributions per annum.

See Filing History - the last three Liquidators statement of receipts and payments

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Also registered address of IJB (Design Services)Limited with Mr Bridge being the sole directors, which according to Companies House has accounts overdue (the last Annual Return being 19th Feb, 2016).

There is also a charge registered against the company in May 2016, for access to a loan of £100,000.

See Charges -

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All the above information freely available to the general public at Companies House.

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Andy Walker
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Sluffy wrote:
Bollotom2014 wrote:Just had an email from PayPal saying the 'Bolton Wanderers Supporters Society'(?) have suspended my automatic payments.
PayPal have informed me that my recurring payment to the ST has been reactivated.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] In out, in out, shake it all about. Sounds almost like it could be Wet Spam. 
They didn't take mine but I did mine by bank transfer so one up to me.

Registered at 46 Broom Way, Westhoughton, BL5 3TZ.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Home of Ian James Bridge (Chair of the ST).

Also registered address of Quantum Environment Design Limited with Mr Bridge and his wife being the sole directors, which went into voluntary liquidation in March 2010, owing over £86,000 (after liquidation) to its creditors including Her Majesty's Revenue and customs.

See Filing history, Return of final meeting, 21st Dec, 2009 -

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Also registered address of The Cryocentre Limited, with Mr Bridge and his wife being the only directors, which was compulsory struck off in Feb, 2010, just one month before Quantum Environment Design Limited was liquidated owing over £86,000.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Also registered address of Sappari Limited, with Mr Bridge and his wife being the only directors, which was compulsory liquidated on the 18th March, 2016 following a court order following a request from the creditor Her Majesty's Custom and excise.

See Insolvency, Compulsory Liquidation -

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Also registered address of Bridge Consultancy Services Ltd with Mr Bridge and his wife being the sole directors, which is in the process of being wound up, with the Liquidators statement dated 24th November, 2016 stating that there are debts of nearly £200,000 and no assets available at present.

In the liquidators report states that there is an overdrawn Directors loan with a book value of £50,000 and it would seem by the last three annual Liquidator's statements that a sum of money is being met by the Director of £6,000 contributions per annum.

See Filing History - the last three Liquidators statement of receipts and payments

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Also registered address of IJB (Design Services)Limited with Mr Bridge being the sole directors, which according to Companies House has accounts overdue (the last Annual Return being 19th Feb, 2016).

There is also a charge registered against the company in May 2016, for access to a loan of £100,000.

See Charges -

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All the above information freely available to the general public at Companies House.

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Game, Set and Match... Mr. Sluffy!

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
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Sluffy wrote:
Bollotom2014 wrote:Just had an email from PayPal saying the 'Bolton Wanderers Supporters Society'(?) have suspended my automatic payments.
PayPal have informed me that my recurring payment to the ST has been reactivated.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] In out, in out, shake it all about. Sounds almost like it could be Wet Spam. 
They didn't take mine but I did mine by bank transfer so one up to me.

Registered at 46 Broom Way, Westhoughton, BL5 3TZ.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Home of Ian James Bridge (Chair of the ST).

Also registered address of Quantum Environment Design Limited with Mr Bridge and his wife being the sole directors, which went into voluntary liquidation in March 2010, owing over £86,000 (after liquidation) to its creditors including Her Majesty's Revenue and customs.

See Filing history, Return of final meeting, 21st Dec, 2009 -

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Also registered address of The Cryocentre Limited, with Mr Bridge and his wife being the only directors, which was compulsory struck off in Feb, 2010, just one month before Quantum Environment Design Limited was liquidated owing over £86,000.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Also registered address of Sappari Limited, with Mr Bridge and his wife being the only directors, which was compulsory liquidated on the 18th March, 2016 following a court order following a request from the creditor Her Majesty's Custom and excise.

See Insolvency, Compulsory Liquidation -

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Also registered address of Bridge Consultancy Services Ltd with Mr Bridge and his wife being the sole directors, which is in the process of being wound up, with the Liquidators statement dated 24th November, 2016 stating that there are debts of nearly £200,000 and no assets available at present.

In the liquidators report states that there is an overdrawn Directors loan with a book value of £50,000 and it would seem by the last three annual Liquidator's statements that a sum of money is being met by the Director of £6,000 contributions per annum.

See Filing History - the last three Liquidators statement of receipts and payments

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Also registered address of IJB (Design Services)Limited with Mr Bridge being the sole directors, which according to Companies House has accounts overdue (the last Annual Return being 19th Feb, 2016).

There is also a charge registered against the company in May 2016, for access to a loan of £100,000.

See Charges -

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]


All the above information freely available to the general public at Companies House.

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What are you getting at Sluffy? Razz

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Tony Kelly
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Sluffy wrote:
Bollotom2014 wrote:Just had an email from PayPal saying the 'Bolton Wanderers Supporters Society'(?) have suspended my automatic payments.
PayPal have informed me that my recurring payment to the ST has been reactivated.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] In out, in out, shake it all about. Sounds almost like it could be Wet Spam. 
They didn't take mine but I did mine by bank transfer so one up to me.

Registered at 46 Broom Way, Westhoughton, BL5 3TZ.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Home of Ian James Bridge (Chair of the ST).

Also registered address of Quantum Environment Design Limited with Mr Bridge and his wife being the sole directors, which went into voluntary liquidation in March 2010, owing over £86,000 (after liquidation) to its creditors including Her Majesty's Revenue and customs.

See Filing history, Return of final meeting, 21st Dec, 2009 -

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Also registered address of The Cryocentre Limited, with Mr Bridge and his wife being the only directors, which was compulsory struck off in Feb, 2010, just one month before Quantum Environment Design Limited was liquidated owing over £86,000.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Also registered address of Sappari Limited, with Mr Bridge and his wife being the only directors, which was compulsory liquidated on the 18th March, 2016 following a court order following a request from the creditor Her Majesty's Custom and excise.

See Insolvency, Compulsory Liquidation -

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Also registered address of Bridge Consultancy Services Ltd with Mr Bridge and his wife being the sole directors, which is in the process of being wound up, with the Liquidators statement dated 24th November, 2016 stating that there are debts of nearly £200,000 and no assets available at present.

In the liquidators report states that there is an overdrawn Directors loan with a book value of £50,000 and it would seem by the last three annual Liquidator's statements that a sum of money is being met by the Director of £6,000 contributions per annum.

See Filing History - the last three Liquidators statement of receipts and payments

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Also registered address of IJB (Design Services)Limited with Mr Bridge being the sole directors, which according to Companies House has accounts overdue (the last Annual Return being 19th Feb, 2016).

There is also a charge registered against the company in May 2016, for access to a loan of £100,000.

See Charges -

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]


All the above information freely available to the general public at Companies House.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

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Reebok Trotter

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It certainly doesn't make for good reading! Multiple business failings and substantial outstanding debts to boot. You really couldn't make it up. Credit to Sluffy for pointing all this out because some posters were having a go at him because of his views on the ST and it looks like Sluffy was correct in his opinions.

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
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I could post similar items regarding KA.
But I see no point. It's now in the past. I'll judge KA and the ST on what they do going forward.

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Andy Walker
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Reebok Trotter wrote:It certainly doesn't make for good reading! Multiple business failings and substantial outstanding debts to boot. You really couldn't make it up. Credit to Sluffy for pointing all this out because some posters were having a go at him because of his views on the ST and it looks like Sluffy was correct in his opinions.
Sluffy is entitled to his opinions.  Give him a gold star because he backs those opinions up with facts.  Whether you like the ST or not, these facts that Sluffy has offered, would make anyone suspicious of dealing with the leadership of the group.

boltonbonce

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But we shouldn't be suspicious of dealing with Ken Anderson? (He too,has a past,and a murky one at that)

y2johnny

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Andy Walker
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TBF anyone's business can go tits up.  Being self employed makes you all the more aware of it.  If your buriness does go bust does that mean that you should be resigned to the scrap heap and give up on everything?

As it stands at the moment im doing ok, but all it takes is a piece of legislation to change or a new approach to what i do and i may have the same fortunes.  Does that then mean that i should give up on everything and never try to be a success at anything again?

There but for the grace of god.

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King Bill

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David Lee
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For all the moaning by some people of the (newly formed still finding it's feet pro active organisation) ST,  why don't they start their own squeaky clean, error free ST, instead of constantly sniping at the periphery at every little development.
As has been said earlier, mountain out of molehills. And all for a tenner a year.
I dont see the same level of input and analysis on the match threads. Makes me wonder if these are Bolton fans at all and simply use this forum as an excuse to continually criticise well meaning Wanderers fans.

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
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y2johnny wrote:TBF anyone's business can go tits up.  Being self employed makes you all the more aware of it.  If your buriness does go bust does that mean that you should be resigned to the scrap heap and give up on everything?

As it stands at the moment im doing ok, but all it takes is a piece of legislation to change or a new approach to what i do and i may have the same fortunes.  Does that then mean that i should give up on everything and never try to be a success at anything again?

There but for the grace of god.
Quite right Johnny. And despite my reservations about Ken Anderson,I'm willing to give him a reasonable crack of the whip,and that goes for the ST too.
To be fair to them both,I've seen positive signs in recent weeks,and I'm hopeful of a more profitable exchange of views between both parties.
Rather like Brexit, the ST project may take another two or three years to play out,but I'll give them that chance. 
And King Bill is right. Let's give both parties a chance.

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