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1 Sgt. Pepper...Overrated bollocks? on Sun Jun 04 2017, 16:29

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Just my opinion of course. Very Happy

2 Re: Sgt. Pepper...Overrated bollocks? on Sun Jun 04 2017, 16:32

xmiles

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Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
Has Nat hijacked your account?

3 Re: Sgt. Pepper...Overrated bollocks? on Sun Jun 04 2017, 16:33

Cajunboy

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Nicolas Anelka
Nicolas Anelka
boltonbonce wrote:Just my opinion of course. Very Happy
:agree:

4 Re: Sgt. Pepper...Overrated bollocks? on Sun Jun 04 2017, 16:33

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
xmiles wrote:Has Nat hijacked your account?
I'm bored.  Razz

5 Re: Sgt. Pepper...Overrated bollocks? on Sun Jun 04 2017, 16:34

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
We're getting the 50th anniversary rammed down our throats,and to be quite honest,I just don't get the hype.

6 Re: Sgt. Pepper...Overrated bollocks? on Sun Jun 04 2017, 16:36

xmiles

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Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
OK I'll play.

I disagree, it is a great pop album and very influential although by no means a personal favourite of mine. I am not a fan of pop music.

7 Re: Sgt. Pepper...Overrated bollocks? on Sun Jun 04 2017, 16:41

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Some decent tracks,I grant you that,but nothing special.

8 Re: Sgt. Pepper...Overrated bollocks? on Sun Jun 04 2017, 16:44

Sluffy

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Admin
boltonbonce wrote:We're getting the 50th anniversary rammed down our throats,and to be quite honest,I just don't get the hype.

Maybe Engelbert is more your taste?

9 Re: Sgt. Pepper...Overrated bollocks? on Sun Jun 04 2017, 16:47

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Certainly not Sluffy. Shocked 

As for The Beatles,I think 'Revolver' trumps Pepper every time.

10 Re: Sgt. Pepper...Overrated bollocks? on Sun Jun 04 2017, 17:52

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Andy Walker
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boltonbonce wrote:Certainly not Sluffy. Shocked 

As for The Beatles,I think 'Revolver' trumps Pepper every time.
:agree:

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11 Re: Sgt. Pepper...Overrated bollocks? on Sun Jun 04 2017, 18:02

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El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
I'm old enough to remember it coming out. It was quite revolutionary at the time. My opinion of it hasn't changed much. Fantastic tunes, but inane lyrics.

12 Re: Sgt. Pepper...Overrated bollocks? on Sun Jun 04 2017, 19:47

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Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
one of the best, and most influential LP's of all time. have to say the lyrics are 'different', but there again, they were high most of the time when this was done, (allegedly)

13 Re: Sgt. Pepper...Overrated bollocks? on Sun Jun 04 2017, 19:58

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Andy Walker
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Overrated bollocks is a bit harsh for such a classic album but I agree that Revolver is much superior. A Day in the Life is one of my favourite Beatles songs (Tomorrow Never Knows being the best) though so Sgt. Peppers still right up there despite some dull moments.

14 Re: Sgt. Pepper...Overrated bollocks? on Sun Jun 04 2017, 21:20

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Nat Lofthouse
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It was the first pop album to unashamedly write for people taking acid so it's no surprise that most folk don't get it and even though it was naive it set the tone for thousands of albums that tried - and mainly failed to emulate it e.g. Everything the dead and a thousand other hippie bands did. Plus they had the commercial sense to get back into the mainstream asap afterwards.

Beatles were as pop as Abba and take that but only the Beatles could get away with doing something as avant garde as that album - and still go on to outsell every band since.
They did it because they could. Plus they pushed the boundaries of recording technology in doing it. Like it or hate it it changed music forever.

15 Re: Sgt. Pepper...Overrated bollocks? on Sun Jun 04 2017, 21:46

gloswhite

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Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
Well summed up Wander.

16 Re: Sgt. Pepper...Overrated bollocks? on Sun Jun 04 2017, 22:26

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
wanderlust wrote:Like it or hate it it changed music forever.
Correct.

17 Re: Sgt. Pepper...Overrated bollocks? on Sun Jun 04 2017, 22:39

xmiles

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Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
wanderlust wrote:It was the first pop album to unashamedly write for people taking acid so it's no surprise that most folk don't get it and even though it was naive it set the tone for thousands of albums that tried - and mainly failed to emulate it e.g. Everything the dead and a thousand other hippie bands did. Plus they had the commercial sense to get back into the mainstream asap afterwards.

Beatles were as pop as Abba and take that but only the Beatles could get away with doing something as avant garde as that album - and still go on to outsell every band since.
They did it because they could. Plus they pushed the boundaries of recording technology in doing it. Like it or hate it it changed music forever.

I don't think the Grateful Dead or any other "hippie" bands really tried to emulate Sgt Pepper although they were influenced by it. The most obvious attempt to emulate it was probably the Rolling Stones' Satanic Majesties.

I also disagree with your suggestion that they went back into the main stream asap. The follow up White Album is their least pop album although it does have some great pop songs on it.

18 Re: Sgt. Pepper...Overrated bollocks? on Mon Jun 05 2017, 01:22

Hip Priest

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Tony Kelly
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xmiles wrote:
wanderlust wrote:It was the first pop album to unashamedly write for people taking acid so it's no surprise that most folk don't get it and even though it was naive it set the tone for thousands of albums that tried - and mainly failed to emulate it e.g. Everything the dead and a thousand other hippie bands did. Plus they had the commercial sense to get back into the mainstream asap afterwards.

Beatles were as pop as Abba and take that but only the Beatles could get away with doing something as avant garde as that album - and still go on to outsell every band since.
They did it because they could. Plus they pushed the boundaries of recording technology in doing it. Like it or hate it it changed music forever.

I don't think the Grateful Dead or any other "hippie" bands really tried to emulate Sgt Pepper although they were influenced by it. The most obvious attempt to emulate it was probably the Rolling Stones' Satanic Majesties.

I also disagree with your suggestion that they went back into the main stream asap. The follow up White Album is their least pop album although it does have some great pop songs on it.

Pretty much agree with Xmiles here. Sgt pepper was a great English pop album that has been seriously over hyped over the years. I don't think groups like the Dead/Airplane etc tried to emulate it in any way. I wouldn't even say they were influenced by it. (Just my opinion)

19 Re: Sgt. Pepper...Overrated bollocks? on Mon Jun 05 2017, 08:30

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Nat Lofthouse
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How many albums before SP used tape multi tracking in the same way, had the luxury of employing an orchestra and had lyrics. of that nature? Sure it followed on from the Ginsberg us folk scene and a handful of experimental sounds including th Beatles themselves e.g. Lucy which was a couple of years earlier but nothing had been done on that scale by artists with global reach can't remember if bathing at baxters came out earlier but even that didn't impact the mainstream audience to th same degree. I imagine the Beatles made the record as an exploration for a niche market and were shocked by its commercial success

20 Re: Sgt. Pepper...Overrated bollocks? on Mon Jun 05 2017, 08:57

xmiles

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Frank Worthington
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wanderlust wrote:How many albums before SP  used tape multi tracking in the same way, had the luxury of employing an orchestra and had lyrics. of that nature?  Sure it followed on from the Ginsberg us folk scene and a handful of experimental sounds including th Beatles themselves e.g. Lucy which was a couple of years earlier but nothing had been done on that scale by artists with global reach can't remember if bathing at baxters came out earlier but even that didn't impact the mainstream audience to th same degree. I imagine the Beatles made the record as an exploration for a niche market and were shocked by its commercial success

I think the Beatles admitted that they were influenced by Pet Sounds, particularly with regard to the use of an orchestra.

I still enjoy listening to After Bathing At Baxter's. Pretty certain it came out after SP and I doubt it sold as well as Surrealistic Pillow.

This discussion is making me very nostalgic as the music you hear in your teenage years always has a special place in your memory.

21 Re: Sgt. Pepper...Overrated bollocks? on Mon Jun 05 2017, 10:15

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Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
True XM. Memories are music, and music is memories.

22 Re: Sgt. Pepper...Overrated bollocks? on Mon Jun 05 2017, 11:26

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Jussi Jääskeläinen
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4 track recording had only just come out i think so before that everything was done live and straight to tape, but the Beatles were massively influenced and wanted to better Pet Sounds.

I did a sound engineering course many years ago and i remember we sat and watched a very good documentary on how they actually used the 4 tracks, they still had to share lots of tracks which made it very difficult. Throw in the fact that in those days the tape had to be cut and moved around to create different effects  and it shows what a genius George Martin was.

These days it's all digital and as many tracks as you want so there was far more skill involved in those days. The most i ever used as part of my course was a 16 track studio and that was daunting enough. 
Wish i stuck with it and tried to make a career out of it rather than washing bed pans  Very Happy

23 Re: Sgt. Pepper...Overrated bollocks? on Mon Jun 05 2017, 12:04

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I still write a bit using Logic Pro and everything that Martin struggled with can be done these days more or less at the touch of a button. That said it is hard to capture the dirty sound of overdubbing which SP has when he pioneered dumping 4 on to 1 again and again.

24 Re: Sgt. Pepper...Overrated bollocks? on Mon Jun 05 2017, 13:40

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Here's Macca with my hero,Ivor Cutler. Cutler and The Beatles are linked,but that's another story.

25 Re: Sgt. Pepper...Overrated bollocks? on Mon Jun 05 2017, 22:41

Soul Kitchen

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Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
I'm still waiting for the first decent Fabs song never mind album!
Pure unadulterated slush, not in the same league as Middle of the Road!!
Whoo wee chirpy chirpy cheep cheep.

26 Re: Sgt. Pepper...Overrated bollocks? on Tue Jun 06 2017, 12:27

gloswhite

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Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
Dont forget The Archies as well  Very Happy

27 Re: Sgt. Pepper...Overrated bollocks? on Tue Jun 06 2017, 16:02

Angry Dad

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Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
gloswhite wrote:Dont forget The Archies as well  Very Happy
I found them to be too heavy, Des came up with some good stuff Dick a dum dum was very underrated ,would have thought it bounces type of thing.

28 Re: Sgt. Pepper...Overrated bollocks? on Tue Jun 06 2017, 16:04

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Not really AD. Ronnie Hilton was the business.

29 Re: Sgt. Pepper...Overrated bollocks? on Tue Jun 06 2017, 16:05

Angry Dad

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I met des once he was handing out leaflets in woolworths he was all smart and tanned, I gave him my Autograph.

30 Re: Sgt. Pepper...Overrated bollocks? on Tue Jun 06 2017, 16:08

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
What was he advertising? Cuprinol?

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