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1 Fox hunting on Tue Jul 04 2017, 13:26

okocha

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Tony Kelly
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I see that May's manifesto idea to allow a free vote on the reinstatement of fox hunting was unsurprisingly absent from the Queen's Speech in yet another U-turn.
Liam will be pleased! Very Happy

Tories acting as if they lost the election, and Labour acting as if they'd won it.....

2 Re: Fox hunting on Tue Jul 04 2017, 13:32

boltonbonce

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Is anyone on here a supporter of fox hunting? We could have a friendly debate. Very Happy

3 Re: Fox hunting on Tue Jul 04 2017, 13:41

Sluffy

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I always thought it was more of a high class social gathering than a serious attempt of controlling fox numbers?

Obviously very elitist and not relevant in todays society so maybe like 'blacking' up for Minstrel shows and having homosexuality as a crime, it belongs in the past.

I'm obviously not on the button with this because there does seem to be many who wants to see fox hunting back but it certainly isn't relative to my life nor a majority of others I would suggest.

5 Re: Fox hunting on Tue Jul 04 2017, 15:47

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6 Re: Fox hunting on Tue Jul 04 2017, 15:50

Natasha Whittam

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I was amazed when the Tories tried to bring it back, and it changed my vote at the last minute. I'm wondering how many other voters it swung.

Even ignoring the cruelty aspects of fox hunting, you have to wonder about a government who thought it wise to bring it back against public opinion. What possible benefit did it have for the country. I'm guessing less than 0.1% of the public have even seen a fox hunt, never mind been on one.

Crazy.

7 Re: Fox hunting on Tue Jul 04 2017, 16:19

Norpig

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Sorry to sound like xmiles (sorry mate  Very Happy) but it smacked of trying to appeal to the wealthier amongst us, like trying to buy votes in a way by saying they would look at it again. As you say though, it backfired.

8 Re: Fox hunting on Tue Jul 04 2017, 16:25

Natasha Whittam

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Norpig wrote:Sorry to sound like xmiles (sorry mate  Very Happy) but it smacked of trying to appeal to the wealthier amongst us, like trying to buy votes in a way by saying they would look at it again. As you say though, it backfired.

But how many wealthy people are into fox hunting? Not many. There will be far more anti-fox hunting amongst the wealthy.

9 Re: Fox hunting on Tue Jul 04 2017, 16:27

boltonbonce

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Cruelty isn't confined to the toffs,you only have to look at hare coursing.

Plenty of ordinary folk involved in fox hunting too,when you get round to looking closely.

10 Re: Fox hunting on Tue Jul 04 2017, 16:40

xmiles

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Natasha Whittam wrote:
Norpig wrote:Sorry to sound like xmiles (sorry mate  Very Happy) but it smacked of trying to appeal to the wealthier amongst us, like trying to buy votes in a way by saying they would look at it again. As you say though, it backfired.

But how many wealthy people are into fox hunting? Not many. There will be far more anti-fox hunting amongst the wealthy.

I think it more to do with May's whole mindset. She had very few policies that were distinctly hers - this, bringing back grammar schools and scrapping free school lunches seem to represent some ludicrous attempt to revisit an imaginary past. A bit like John Major's speech invoking memories of warm beer.

11 Re: Fox hunting on Tue Jul 04 2017, 16:57

okocha

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The usual defence offered by the hunting lobby is that the fox population needs to be controlled. 

How thick do you have to be to suggest to anyone with even half a brain cell and a heart that chasing creatures to exhaustion before hounds rip them limb from limb is an ideal, humane and efficient way to control their numbers!  Twisted Evil

12 Re: Fox hunting on Tue Jul 04 2017, 17:01

Chairmanda

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okocha wrote:The usual defence offered by the hunting lobby is that the fox population needs to be controlled. 

How thick do you have to be to suggest to anyone with even half a brain cell and a heart that chasing creatures to exhaustion before hounds rip them limb from limb is an ideal, humane and efficient way to control their numbers!  Twisted Evil
According to Jacob Rees Mogg hunting is the most humane way to control the fox populations.

13 Re: Fox hunting on Tue Jul 04 2017, 17:03

boltonbonce

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They've also been caught out breeding them,just to make sure they've got something to chase.

14 Re: Fox hunting on Tue Jul 04 2017, 17:09

Reebok Trotter

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Natasha Whittam wrote:I was amazed when the Tories tried to bring it back, and it changed my vote at the last minute. I'm wondering how many other voters it swung.


Seriously? You changed your vote on the possibility that the Tories wanted to bring back fox hunting?  scratch

15 Re: Fox hunting on Tue Jul 04 2017, 17:27

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
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Reebok Trotter wrote:Seriously? You changed your vote on the possibility that the Tories wanted to bring back fox hunting?  scratch

It wouldn't have been a possibility if they'd got a majority. It would have been definite.

My vote saved the foxes.

16 Re: Fox hunting on Tue Jul 04 2017, 17:30

Reebok Trotter

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Just because they mooted the idea of bringing back Fox hunting it would still have to be ratified by Parliament. Surely you based your vote on something more important than the tenuous possibility that it could be reintroduced?

17 Re: Fox hunting on Tue Jul 04 2017, 17:32

boltonbonce

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18 Re: Fox hunting on Tue Jul 04 2017, 17:33

Natasha Whittam

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Reebok Trotter wrote:Just because they mooted the idea of bringing back Fox hunting it would still have to be ratified by Parliament. Surely you based your vote on something more important than the tenuous possibility that it could be reintroduced?

As I've said above, it was more about the fact the Tories thought it was a good idea. It shows they don't have a clue about public opinion.

But animals are important, more important than most people if I'm being honest.

19 Re: Fox hunting on Tue Jul 04 2017, 17:49

xmiles

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Chairmanda wrote:
okocha wrote:The usual defence offered by the hunting lobby is that the fox population needs to be controlled. 

How thick do you have to be to suggest to anyone with even half a brain cell and a heart that chasing creatures to exhaustion before hounds rip them limb from limb is an ideal, humane and efficient way to control their numbers!  Twisted Evil
According to Jacob Rees Mogg hunting is the most humane way to control the fox populations.

It tells you a lot about JRM that he could seriously spout this rubbish. If he is as intelligent as he pretends to be he would know this is patently untrue. But then he is the kind of idiot that would go fox hunting.

20 Re: Fox hunting on Tue Jul 04 2017, 19:20

okocha

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Even worse are the idiots who say they will continue to hunt regardless of the law. 

I wonder if JRM and co would change their "minds" (!!) if they were the ones being chased across the countryside by savage hounds until they were torn to shreds? A bit of JRM-hunting might be an interesting sport. Smile

The contention that hunting controls the fox population is nonsense in any case:- it amounts to a tiny proportion compared to other, kinder ways of managing numbers.

JRM is a lingering relic of a bygone era.

21 Re: Fox hunting on Wed Jul 05 2017, 11:52

Angry Dad

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I like Foxes, i was in a country pub in Hartfield East Sussex the pub was full of the poncy shit's they are a very nasty evil bunch of cnuts and were bragging about doing some saboteurs. We had enough and left just after one of them had left as we were driving out of the car park we noticed him lying by the side of his 4x4 Karma.

22 Re: Fox hunting on Wed Jul 05 2017, 12:24

boltonbonce

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Two birds,one stone.

23 Re: Fox hunting on Wed Jul 05 2017, 18:08

gloswhite

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Youri Djorkaeff
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I see nothing wrong with culling foxes, its been going on for a very long time. Also, its a very big industry for those who live in the country, and is one of those businesses where the rich actually pay the rural residents directly, so providing a living for many.
However, i don't like how the animals are killed, and feel that a much tighter control of this part of the process needs to be enforced.
There are now calls for the culling of urban foxes as they are now becoming a nuisance, affecting domestic animals, and in some cases people and their livelihoods. Don't be surprised if you get the tits on horseback down your street, sometime in the near future  Very Happy

24 Re: Fox hunting on Wed Jul 05 2017, 18:32

boltonbonce

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I had a run in with some of the buggers about twenty years ago. I was out bird watching,and got mistaken by them,probably due to my attire,for another hunt saboteur,and was roundly abused. When I tried to explain,one of them started whacking at me,and trying to knock me over with his horse.
That's when it all kicked off.
I dragged him off his nag and proceeded to give the bastard a good hiding,despite three of his mates attempting a rescue act. I'd lost the plot by this time.
He later tried to have me arrested,but the cops were having none of it.
I went home happy.
I'm a reasonable man. My Grandfather,an ex docker,would have killed him.

25 Re: Fox hunting on Wed Jul 05 2017, 18:44

xmiles

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boltonbonce wrote:I had a run in with some of the buggers about twenty years ago. I was out bird watching,and got mistaken by them,probably due to my attire,for another hunt saboteur,and was roundly abused. When I tried to explain,one of them started whacking at me,and trying to knock me over with his horse.
That's when it all kicked off.
I dragged him off his nag and proceeded to give the bastard a good hiding,despite three of his mates attempting a rescue act. I'd lost the plot by this time.
He later tried to have me arrested,but the cops were having none of it.
I went home happy.
I'm a reasonable man. My Grandfather,an ex docker,would have killed him.

:clap:

26 Re: Fox hunting on Fri Jul 07 2017, 12:05

gloswhite

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They don't do themselves any good, do they? I'm used to the country having 'haves' and 'have-nots', but its their bloody arrogance that pisses me off.

27 Re: Fox hunting on Fri Jul 07 2017, 12:11

boltonbonce

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What annoys me is that so many of them invoke the law of the land when it suits them,but say they'll defy it if things go against them.
Arrogance is the right word.

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