Fox hunting

I see that May's manifesto idea to allow a free vote on the reinstatement of fox hunting was unsurprisingly absent from the Queen's Speech in yet another U-turn.
Liam will be pleased!

Tories acting as if they lost the election, and Labour acting as if they'd won it.....

Is anyone on here a supporter of fox hunting? We could have a friendly debate.

I always thought it was more of a high class social gathering than a serious attempt of controlling fox numbers?

Obviously very elitist and not relevant in todays society so maybe like 'blacking' up for Minstrel shows and having homosexuality as a crime, it belongs in the past.

I'm obviously not on the button with this because there does seem to be many who wants to see fox hunting back but it certainly isn't relative to my life nor a majority of others I would suggest.

There is hardly any support for reintroducing fox hunting with 84% of people wanting it to remain banned.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjIjabH6e_UAhVHa1AKHRVnDAgQFghHMAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theneweuropean.co.uk%2Ftop-stories%2Fhunting-poll-do-you-agree-with-may-that-fox-hunting-should-be-legal-1-5011172&usg=AFQjCNHZ5z9qS8Y8cU1LAUR-LHfSrt9QiQ

https://www.facebook.com/MandaRigbyNES/videos/1310961325691597/

Believed it then, believe it now.

I was amazed when the Tories tried to bring it back, and it changed my vote at the last minute. I'm wondering how many other voters it swung.

Even ignoring the cruelty aspects of fox hunting, you have to wonder about a government who thought it wise to bring it back against public opinion. What possible benefit did it have for the country. I'm guessing less than 0.1% of the public have even seen a fox hunt, never mind been on one.

Crazy.

Sorry to sound like xmiles (sorry mate  ) but it smacked of trying to appeal to the wealthier amongst us, like trying to buy votes in a way by saying they would look at it again. As you say though, it backfired.

Norpig wrote:Sorry to sound like xmiles (sorry mate  ) but it smacked of trying to appeal to the wealthier amongst us, like trying to buy votes in a way by saying they would look at it again. As you say though, it backfired.

But how many wealthy people are into fox hunting? Not many. There will be far more anti-fox hunting amongst the wealthy.

Cruelty isn't confined to the toffs,you only have to look at hare coursing.

Plenty of ordinary folk involved in fox hunting too,when you get round to looking closely.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

Norpig wrote:Sorry to sound like xmiles (sorry mate  ) but it smacked of trying to appeal to the wealthier amongst us, like trying to buy votes in a way by saying they would look at it again. As you say though, it backfired.

But how many wealthy people are into fox hunting? Not many. There will be far more anti-fox hunting amongst the wealthy.

I think it more to do with May's whole mindset. She had very few policies that were distinctly hers - this, bringing back grammar schools and scrapping free school lunches seem to represent some ludicrous attempt to revisit an imaginary past. A bit like John Major's speech invoking memories of warm beer.

The usual defence offered by the hunting lobby is that the fox population needs to be controlled. 

How thick do you have to be to suggest to anyone with even half a brain cell and a heart that chasing creatures to exhaustion before hounds rip them limb from limb is an ideal, humane and efficient way to control their numbers! 

okocha wrote:The usual defence offered by the hunting lobby is that the fox population needs to be controlled. 

How thick do you have to be to suggest to anyone with even half a brain cell and a heart that chasing creatures to exhaustion before hounds rip them limb from limb is an ideal, humane and efficient way to control their numbers! 

According to Jacob Rees Mogg hunting is the most humane way to control the fox populations.

They've also been caught out breeding them,just to make sure they've got something to chase.

Natasha Whittam wrote:I was amazed when the Tories tried to bring it back, and it changed my vote at the last minute. I'm wondering how many other voters it swung.

Seriously? You changed your vote on the possibility that the Tories wanted to bring back fox hunting? 

Reebok Trotter wrote:Seriously? You changed your vote on the possibility that the Tories wanted to bring back fox hunting? 

It wouldn't have been a possibility if they'd got a majority. It would have been definite.

My vote saved the foxes.

Just because they mooted the idea of bringing back Fox hunting it would still have to be ratified by Parliament. Surely you based your vote on something more important than the tenuous possibility that it could be reintroduced?

Reebok Trotter wrote:Just because they mooted the idea of bringing back Fox hunting it would still have to be ratified by Parliament. Surely you based your vote on something more important than the tenuous possibility that it could be reintroduced?

As I've said above, it was more about the fact the Tories thought it was a good idea. It shows they don't have a clue about public opinion.

But animals are important, more important than most people if I'm being honest.

Chairmanda wrote:

okocha wrote:The usual defence offered by the hunting lobby is that the fox population needs to be controlled. 

How thick do you have to be to suggest to anyone with even half a brain cell and a heart that chasing creatures to exhaustion before hounds rip them limb from limb is an ideal, humane and efficient way to control their numbers! 

According to Jacob Rees Mogg hunting is the most humane way to control the fox populations.

It tells you a lot about JRM that he could seriously spout this rubbish. If he is as intelligent as he pretends to be he would know this is patently untrue. But then he is the kind of idiot that would go fox hunting.

Even worse are the idiots who say they will continue to hunt regardless of the law. 

I wonder if JRM and co would change their "minds" (!!) if they were the ones being chased across the countryside by savage hounds until they were torn to shreds? A bit of JRM-hunting might be an interesting sport.

The contention that hunting controls the fox population is nonsense in any case:- it amounts to a tiny proportion compared to other, kinder ways of managing numbers.

JRM is a lingering relic of a bygone era.