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1 Jobsworth on Fri Jul 21 2017, 09:52

xmiles

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A classic example below. Any other examples?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40679075

2 Re: Jobsworth on Fri Jul 21 2017, 10:26

BoltonTillIDie

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Jussi Jääskeläinen
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xmiles wrote:A classic example below. Any other examples?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40679075

what a stupid thing to do!

3 Re: Jobsworth on Fri Jul 21 2017, 10:34

Reebok Trotter

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Nat Lofthouse
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xmiles wrote:A classic example below. Any other examples?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40679075

How absolutely ridiculous. They say if you pay peanuts you get monkeys.

4 Re: Jobsworth on Fri Jul 21 2017, 13:15

Norpig

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just read that before i came on here, totally ridiculous but i think these people get paid more if they issue more fines so it's all about numbers and no common sense

5 Re: Jobsworth on Fri Jul 21 2017, 14:05

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Nat Lofthouse
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What if your livelihood is selling soft drinks to festival goers....a festival you have to pay to have a license for by the way.

Then some 5 year old comes along without a license and undercuts your prices by 75%, are you supposed to just smile sweetly while he/she takes all your custom?

Norpig - if some 5 year old walks into your hospital on Monday morning offering to wash the bed pans for 75% less than they pay you, would you be happy to give up your livelihood?

Rules are there to protect people.

6 Re: Jobsworth on Fri Jul 21 2017, 14:11

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Natasha Whittam wrote:
Rules are there to protect people.
Rules are there to control people!

7 Re: Jobsworth on Fri Jul 21 2017, 14:12

Natasha Whittam

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karlypants wrote:Rules are there to control people!

People need to be controlled.

8 Re: Jobsworth on Fri Jul 21 2017, 14:13

okocha

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Natasha Whittam wrote:What if your livelihood is selling soft drinks to festival goers....a festival you have to pay to have a license for by the way.

Then some 5 year old comes along without a license and undercuts your prices by 75%, are you supposed to just smile sweetly while he/she takes all your custom?

Norpig - if some 5 year old walks into your hospital on Monday morning offering to wash the bed pans for 75% less than they pay you, would you be happy to give up your livelihood?

Rules are there to protect people.
Possibly your worst ever post. Is Katie Hopkins your role-model? You completely miss the point. There were alternative ways of dealing with this without causing utter distress to a little girl.....as Tower Hamlets have rightly appreciated and apologised for. If you'd had children, I'm sure your response would have been different.

9 Re: Jobsworth on Fri Jul 21 2017, 14:18

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okocha wrote:If you'd had children, I'm sure your response would have been different.

That's a low blow. Every man I meet has a low sperm count.

10 Re: Jobsworth on Fri Jul 21 2017, 14:22

Natasha Whittam

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okocha wrote:Possibly your worst ever post. Is Katie Hopkins your role-model? You completely miss the point. There were alternative ways of dealing with this without causing utter distress to a little girl.

She's learnt a valuable lesson though okocha, at least now she won't grow up to run an illegal hamburger pitch or ice cream van.

But it's you who is missing the point - this is about the livelihood of decent, honest people. We can't have kids setting up illegal stalls and taking away business from honest taxpayers.

11 Re: Jobsworth on Fri Jul 21 2017, 14:23

BoltonTillIDie

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Natasha Whittam wrote:
okocha wrote:If you'd had children, I'm sure your response would have been different.

That's a low blow. Every man I meet has a low sperm count.

or just doesn't want to do the deed with you Very Happy

12 Re: Jobsworth on Fri Jul 21 2017, 14:26

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
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BoltonTillIDie wrote:or just doesn't want to do the deed with you Very Happy

Most men in their 30's also seem to suffer from impotence. Perhaps I should date younger men.

13 Re: Jobsworth on Fri Jul 21 2017, 14:55

BoltonTillIDie

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Natasha Whittam wrote:
BoltonTillIDie wrote:or just doesn't want to do the deed with you Very Happy

Most men in their 30's also seem to suffer from impotence. Perhaps I should date younger men.

Twisted Evil

14 Re: Jobsworth on Fri Jul 21 2017, 16:42

okocha

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Tony Kelly
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Natasha Whittam wrote:
okocha wrote:Possibly your worst ever post. Is Katie Hopkins your role-model? You completely miss the point. There were alternative ways of dealing with this without causing utter distress to a little girl.

She's learnt a valuable lesson though okocha, at least now she won't grow up to run an illegal hamburger pitch or ice cream van.

But it's you who is missing the point - this is about the livelihood of decent, honest people. We can't have kids setting up illegal stalls and taking away business from honest taxpayers.
You're making it worse for yourself now.You sound completely callous It's about a sense of proportion and compassion. The girl is 5 years old and believed she was doing something good. A gentle word was all that was needed, as the council and all right-minded people have acknowledged. It would have been much better for you if you'd just admitted your views are not worthy of you, a lesson that very many politicians need to learn as well. Thank goodness you are not a parent or a teacher.

15 Re: Jobsworth on Fri Jul 21 2017, 19:47

Natasha Whittam

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okocha wrote:You're making it worse for yourself now.You sound completely callous It's about a sense of proportion and compassion. The girl is 5 years old and believed she was doing something good. A gentle word was all that was needed, as the council and all right-minded people have acknowledged. It would have been much better for you if you'd just admitted your views are not worthy of you, a lesson that very many politicians need to learn as well. Thank goodness you are not a parent or a teacher.

Just because someone believes they are doing good, doesn't mean they are. Dougie Freedman probably thought he was doing good when he signed Liam Trotter, but we all know how that turned out.

Perhaps if Freedman had spent a night in the cells for his crimes we wouldn't be in the state we are now.

Actions have consequences, even when you're 5.

16 Re: Jobsworth on Fri Jul 21 2017, 21:05

Fabians Right Peg

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Bet the dad wasn't paying tax or NI contributions for his under age worker either.

17 Re: Jobsworth on Fri Jul 21 2017, 21:30

Natasha Whittam

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Fab gets it. If the okochas of this world were in charge the country would be in anarchy.

18 Re: Jobsworth on Sun Jul 23 2017, 11:56

okocha

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Nat, you're on your own on this one: key words are: "kindness," "common sense", "across the world" and "sensibly". I'm sure you have got the point now and would like to ensure that you are no longer seen as a misguided, callous individual.

See BBC article below:

"Tower Hamlets Council has since apologised for issuing the fixed penalty notice and cancelled the fine.
The family tweeted: "We have been overwhelmed by the kind response from people across the world.

Mr Spicer told how his daughter had "burst into tears" after enforcement officers "began reading from a big script explaining that she did not have a trading licence".
He said: "My daughter clung to me screaming 'Daddy, Daddy, I've done a bad thing.' She's five.
"We were then issued a fine of £150. 
A council spokesman said: "We are very sorry that this has happened. We expect our enforcement officers to show common sense and to use their powers sensibly.
"This clearly did not happen."

19 Re: Jobsworth on Sun Jul 23 2017, 12:08

Natasha Whittam

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Ridiculous, a bit of bad press and they fold like a Bolton defence.

20 Re: Jobsworth on Sun Jul 23 2017, 13:08

Fabians Right Peg

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Sorry, but sometimes I think we have become too soft as a nation.

From what I can tell reading the article it seems this little 5 year old girl decided to set up a lemonade stand, not outside her home but on a main road on the way to a major music event.

She had the foresight to take a kitchen table with her and by the look of the photo a shopping trolley bag full of lemonade.

This kid must be a real budding Alan Sugar, most kids at 5 setting up this sort of stuff would chuck a blanket in front of there house, crush up a few petals, label it perfume and flog it to the next door neighbour.

Seems to me that the key part of this is that Dad was there and if you seriously think it was the kid that the enforcement officers where directing there rebuke to then I suspect you are way off the mark.

Was the kid upset that Dad got a telling off, probably, should Dad have been using his five year old kid as a cheap marketing tool, definitely not.

Then Dad squeals because he got a £150 fine, about the emotional trauma caused by his own idiocy, and gets let off because the council knows that a bunch of do-gooder's  will feel sorry because of the little kid.

Symptomatic of the culture of today, would not be surprised if he now try's to claim compensation or even loss of earnings. Mad

21 Re: Jobsworth on Sun Jul 23 2017, 13:36

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The child's father, Andre Spicer, is a business school professor.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40697243

He probably was just trying to teacher her something - I don't think they needed the money or that they were going to earn a fortune or anything like that.

The council employees (four of them!) probably said that it might not be such a good idea for such a young girl to be stood on the public highway with a crowd of festival people walking past and that anyway she should have a permit to trade.

I'm guessing the father then kicked off a bit and the council employees could then not back down and said look if you don't move on then we will have no option but to issue you (the father remember NOT the little girl) with a fixed penalty notice.

The bloke then took to social media to make out the council were a set up numpties picking on a child.

The Council then had no option then to grovel and say that their employees had not used their brains - which they probably hadn't.

If I was one of the four I wouldn't have issued a ticket but I would have tried to get a police officer to get the father to see reason and move them along and thus avoid any confrontation and tickets being issued, or maybe even found them an off road 'pitch' to sell from a turn a bit of a blind eye to them as they clearly were not their to make a killing whilst at the same time the child was safe from anyone accidently knocking her over from the crowd going to the festival.

At the end of the day a little child was on a public high street, with a crowd going past, and really shouldn't have been there.

There's two sides to every story.

It could though have been handled better, especially with four of the council officials on hand.

22 Re: Jobsworth on Sun Jul 23 2017, 23:09

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Apparently the little girl has been offered a place at a few upcoming fetes.

23 Re: Jobsworth on Mon Jul 24 2017, 12:09

xmiles

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Ivan Campo
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I agree that there may be two sides to this but issuing a fine was always going to end badly. The father says "I thought that they would just tell us to pack up and go home" which certainly implies that he would have moved without kicking off and I haven't seen any suggestions that he kicked off apart from on this site.

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