Oh That's Alright Then

boltonbonce wrote:

Angry Dad wrote:What are hospitals and GP surgeries in London full of ?

Patients.

xmiles wrote:Since some people won't take the trouble to actually look at the link I posted earlier here is a simple fact for them:

Since the NHS was created in 1948, the average annual rise in NHS spending has been just over 4%. During the Labour years under Blair and Brown this was closer to 7%. Under the current Tory government it is 1%.

Cajunboy wrote:

xmiles wrote:Since some people won't take the trouble to actually look at the link I posted earlier here is a simple fact for them:

Since the NHS was created in 1948, the average annual rise in NHS spending has been just over 4%. During the Labour years under Blair and Brown this was closer to 7%. Under the current Tory government it is 1%.

That's because the Blair/Brown  governments left nothing in the till.

They even admitted it themselves when they were booted out of office.

Cajunboy wrote:The former chief secretary to the Treasury, Liam Byrne, has reignited criticism of Labour's stewardship of the economy with a note for his successor which said "there's no money left".

Natasha Whittam wrote:Once again this turns into a Labour v Tory debate. Boring, but it's the main reason nothing will ever change.

T.R.O.Y wrote:So what’s the solution?

T.R.O.Y wrote:It’s also entirely reactive, we need to be proactive about health issues in this country if people can seek treatment and advice on non-threatening issues/illnesses they’re more likely to resolve before they become threatening.

Bollotom2014 wrote:

T.R.O.Y wrote:

Natasha Whittam wrote:Don't start this shit again, the NHS has been underfunded for 30 years, several governments have failed to get a grip of this problem.

Trash, on just about every measure Labour's record is an improvement on what has been on offer since 2010. You make this nonsense argument every time and it's baseless, present some facts to support or give it a rest.

The argument there is no difference between the parties is now redundant, there is a clear choice on offer between continued austerity and investment. Labour's manifesto was popular because it made a clear distinction from the current path, I hope they get the opportunity to put it into action sooner rather than later.

When Labour were last in power, costs were low. Costs since have sky rocketed and there are a couple more tiers of management to be paid for. Latest projection is a further £30 Billion needed by 2020.
  Now it's going to be a brave government but it's about time for a taxation change. I reckon everyone should be taxed an extra penny or two, even taking the same percentage from pensioners and benefits claimants. It's the only fair way to do it.  And get the employers to pay a fair wage without the need of working tax credits. 
  Having said that we could give £30 Billion to the NHS tomorrow and they would still say it wasn't enough. I'm lucky. I get treatment within a few hours if I need it but it makes me angry to see civvy folk queuing in hospitals on trolleys, in ambulances and in corridors. Perhaps the super hospitals are too much now and regional infirmaries better.
  I had occasion to go to the old military hospital at Woolwich a couple of weeks ago. It's now a modern super-hospital. Took me about fifteen minutes to walk from one end to the other. 2000 meals three times a day, hundreds of medical staff and support staff. Must cost a fortune to run and that is just one hospital. Frightening to think how it will be in a few years.
   It's more than a political football now. We should all be involved.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

T.R.O.Y wrote:It’s also entirely reactive, we need to be proactive about health issues in this country if people can seek treatment and advice on non-threatening issues/illnesses they’re more likely to resolve before they become threatening.

Isn't that just naïve though? People have known for years that fried food and fizzy drinks make you fat, but it doesn't stop people filling their shopping trolley with crap. Same for smoking and drinking.

It will never happen.

But trust me, if people had to pay for treatment they'd think twice about getting into a scrap on a Friday night.

xmiles wrote:

Cajunboy wrote:The former chief secretary to the Treasury, Liam Byrne, has reignited criticism of Labour's stewardship of the economy with a note for his successor which said "there's no money left".

That was a joke - admittedly a poor one - not a fact. The Tories friends in the banks destroyed the economy not the Labour government who were forced to waste £850 billion bailing out the banks.

xmiles wrote:
... pointing out that ecstasy and LSD were far less dangerous than alcohol and tobacco and that more people die falling off horses than die from taking ecstasy.

wessy wrote:Back To the NHS so someone turns up at A&E and receives treatment WHO decides if it is self harming, many people do many silly things over and above the obvious of drink/drugs. What about playing football and you break a leg ? no one makes you play so for me thin end of the wedge and not in line with the principal of what the NHS was formed for. Before long a kid will be refused treatment because his mum or dad was fat.  Not going to happen any time soon.

Natasha Whittam wrote:
The NHS can't go on in its current format, so why not make people pay to have their broken legs and arms mended? Of course it's not perfect, but surely it's better than the system we have now - people dying because the NHS can't afford to pay for the drugs to keep them alive.

Imagine being told the NHS can't give you the drugs to keep you alive, but in the next room a couple are getting 3 cycles of IVF treatment off the NHS, and in the room next to that someone is having a gastric band fitted.

okocha wrote:

xmiles wrote:
... pointing out that ecstasy and LSD were far less dangerous than alcohol and tobacco and that more people die falling off horses than die from taking ecstasy.

On the other hand, cannabis is assumed by many to be harmless, even beneficial for some, yet it is common knowledge in clinical psychologists' circles that it can lead to disastrous psychosis and schizophrenia, as my own family can testify.
Very upsetting to hear a few ignorant MPs and celebs advocating its legalisation. Listen to the experts in this field!!

I was pleased to see a recent proposal that the dangers of using cannabis should be taught in schools.