Brexit negotiations

Natasha Whittam wrote:

xmiles wrote:I agree with almost everything you say but it wasn't so much the middle class who voted for brexit it was much more the old, the less well educated and northerners!

Sometimes you really do come across as an arrogant tosspot.

This is the problem with all Remainers.

Leavers.


Remainers.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

xmiles wrote:I agree with almost everything you say but it wasn't so much the middle class who voted for brexit it was much more the old, the less well educated and northerners!

Sometimes you really do come across as an arrogant tosspot.

Yes you think it is a crime to state the truth. Why don't you face reality; these are simple facts.

karlypants wrote:

Natasha Whittam wrote:

xmiles wrote:I agree with almost everything you say but it wasn't so much the middle class who voted for brexit it was much more the old, the less well educated and northerners!

Sometimes you really do come across as an arrogant tosspot.

This is the problem with all Remainers.

As usual it is the leavers hurling abuse because they can't deal with reality.

gloswhite wrote:Sorry TROY, can't agree (how unusual  ), They do have something to lose, a great deal in fact. The problem for us is that losses for them will have less effect on the EU, than any corresponding losses on the UK.  They can ride out any disruption than us, which gives them the upper hand. If we were to walk away, (probably through our own ineptitude), then I believe you will see a flurry of activity either individually, or as the EU itself. What we mustn't do, is give in even further.

What deal are we offering them though? No freedom of movement but we want full access to the single market without paying any future fees? It’s just not going to happen, and why should it? 

The fact is we benefited massively from the EU, now we need to find another way. It’s not them doing us over, or Labour it’s time you looked at the Brexiteers who sold these lies. It’s just not as simple as they made out.

Leavers and remainers came from all societal groups apart from those who were prevented from having a vote in the referendum Yes there are some common trends within subgroups but I can’t see anything that be gained by focusing on how society is constituted. The only thing that matters now is that nobody  will get what they wanted because nobody knew what they were voting for and no group will get what they thought they were voting for and on that basis alone it should be canned.
And despite what peter says, it is reversible if the people stand up to a government attempting to railroad through a deal nobody wants. 
What are they going to do if we say no? Commit political suicide?

Here are the facts about how the brexit vote went:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=13&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwilx87g1fbeAhWIgM4BHfx5CGIQFjAMegQIAxAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fyougov.co.uk%2Ftopics%2Fpolitics%2Farticles-reports%2F2016%2F06%2F27%2Fhow-britain-voted&usg=AOvVaw266rNW_gQsa65pM_iGNAEU

It says a lot about the kind of people who support brexit on this site that merely stating these facts leads to a torrent of abuse. Still they probably find that easier than engaging in a rational discussion.

xmiles wrote:Here are the facts about how the brexit vote went:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=13&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwilx87g1fbeAhWIgM4BHfx5CGIQFjAMegQIAxAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fyougov.co.uk%2Ftopics%2Fpolitics%2Farticles-reports%2F2016%2F06%2F27%2Fhow-britain-voted&usg=AOvVaw266rNW_gQsa65pM_iGNAEU

It says a lot about the kind of people who support brexit on this site that merely stating these facts leads to a torrent of abuse. Still they probably find that easier than engaging in a rational discussion.

Well I didn't vote in that poll and I very much doubt Glos did so you can go and shove the inaccurate poll up your arse.

karlypants wrote:

xmiles wrote:Here are the facts about how the brexit vote went:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=13&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwilx87g1fbeAhWIgM4BHfx5CGIQFjAMegQIAxAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fyougov.co.uk%2Ftopics%2Fpolitics%2Farticles-reports%2F2016%2F06%2F27%2Fhow-britain-voted&usg=AOvVaw266rNW_gQsa65pM_iGNAEU

It says a lot about the kind of people who support brexit on this site that merely stating these facts leads to a torrent of abuse. Still they probably find that easier than engaging in a rational discussion.

Well I didn't vote in that poll and I very much doubt Glos did so you can go and shove the inaccurate poll up your arse.

The usual and expected response from someone who doesn't even understand what a poll is.

How many people on here considered Ireland when voting in the 2016 referendum? 
Honest answers only please.

Like i said in a previous post no one had a clue what issues would arise with brexit or what the consequences would be.The whole process has been a complete shambles from the start.

There needs to be a cross party approach to this, this is our lives and futures they are messing with!

So xmiles, these are "facts" are they?

I don't remember having to tick a box for "educated" or "thick" on the ballot sheet. Please link me to the official independent body that has stated that only uneducated people voted to leave.

You can't, because it doesn't exist.

The irony is, you've slagged off Farage, Boris etc for making shit up, yet you've just done exactly the same thing.

You have an opinion, not a FACT.

You fucking arsehole.

Natasha Whittam wrote:So xmiles, these are "facts" are they?

I don't remember having to tick a box for "educated" or "thick" on the ballot sheet. Please link me to the official independent body that has stated that only uneducated people voted to leave.

You can't, because it doesn't exist.

The irony is, you've slagged off Farage, Boris etc for making shit up, yet you've just done exactly the same thing.

You have an opinion, not a FACT.

You fucking arsehole.

As usual more abuse from somebody else who doesn't understand what a poll or survey is. I am not making things up (unlike so many brexit fans). Every survey and poll undertaken has shown that the older you are and the less well educated you are the more likely you are to have voted brexit, That is a fact not an opinion.

Try looking up fact and opinion in a dictionary. Then maybe you will understand the difference.

Funny how all the abuse comes from brexiteers. Perhaps it is because you are incapable of engaging in a rational discussion.

xmiles wrote:

As usual more abuse from somebody else who doesn't understand what a poll or survey is. I am not making things up (unlike so many brexit fans). Every survey and poll undertaken has shown that the older you are and the less well educated you are the more likely you are to have voted brexit, That is a fact not an opinion.

Try looking up fact and opinion in a dictionary. Then maybe you will understand the difference.

Funny how all the abuse comes from brexiteers. Perhaps it is because you are incapable of engaging in a rational discussion.

You called me uneducated, is that not abuse?

I know exactly what a poll is. They don't poll every voter, they poll about 50 people - I know because I pay to have polls done.

So I'll ask again, link me to an official independent site that states that only uneducated people voted to leave.

I didn't call you uneducated. Try reading what I wrote.

For a third time, link me to an official independent site that states that only uneducated people voted to leave.

Natasha Whittam wrote:For a third time, link me to an official independent site that states that only uneducated people voted to leave.

Here's an official Independent site link quoting researchers at the University of Leicester on the subject.

"researchers at the University of Leicester say that had just 3% more of the population gone to university, the UK would probably not be leaving the EU"

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-education-higher-university-study-university-leave-eu-remain-voters-educated-a7881441.html

I see what you did there.

Don't do it again.

I see Carney's at it again.

The comments above show just how broken this country is at this point, everyone as a view an opinion but no one really knows all the facts and no one really can think off a workable solution that everyone can get behind.
I have been interested in politics all my life, i am 65 voted remain, i have never missed voting in any election since i was 18 years old. BUT i am confused as hell over were i stand on this issue ?

I voted remain, i am a Labour party member, so you would think it natural that i would either want a general election, or a peoples vote.

And this is were i have a problem, in my opinion it was a huge mistake to vote to leave the EU, i am entitled to that view, however i am a democrat so could not support a second referendum even though i think we were not given the truth to make an informed decision i fear a second vote would alienate the voters against MP's for a generation or two.

So you would think a general election would appease me? well no because for the first time in my life right at this moment i think it would be a mistake for another party to take ownership of this mess.

This started with Cameron trying to lance a Tory boil, he thought he could get a quick fix and it back fired, so this is a mess started by the Tories and then mismanaged by this government, they own this mess and should be judged on the outcome for years to come.

 If Labour took control and failed, they would inherit the blame and we know that the Tories would soon make it stick.